comment by jar jar winks (U21185)
posted 36 seconds ago
System is one thing. Leicester fans can't though pretend "intensity" (i.e. effort) wasn't noticbly different too.
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Exactly.
I understand when you're confident you have a little more energy, tend have an extra half yard and make your own good luck. But the difference is just so vast it can't simply be put down to this IMO.
If it was me, regardless of what these players do the rest of the season I wouldn't really want them at my club, knowing they could just decide they can't be bothered at any time.
"the pundits on MotD tonight said Leicester's players put in twice as many tackles against Liverpool. That's not the result of better tactics - that's them displaying with a desire they've rarely shown all season."
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I have to agree with this, CofE.
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 1 minute ago
THE bag - While they did up it in the Champions League at first, they did drift away somewhat. Brugge in our group were awful, while we arguably got more than we deserved with 4 points from 2 matches against Copenhagen. Porto at home was the best performance, and that required a top save from Kasper Schmeichel at the death to claim the 3 points. In fact Schmeichel won us a heck of a lot of points in that group, including one great save with a broken hand in Copenhagen (!)
Against Sevilla we got absolutely smashed, but they didn't finish their chances then bottled it and let us in for a goal. A 2-1 loss was an absolute travesty, but somehow we're still in the tie.
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True and you obviously know better than me, but you won a lot of games last season without playing amazingly, due to your desire and effort.
This is what has got you through the CL from what I can see, whereas in the league the players haven't any desire.
I might be wrong but that's how I see it
I can't believe there are Leicester fans on here who think the whole world is against them. Any lover of football with a brain absolutely loved what Leicester achieved last season and only wanted them to give their best shot. Any criticism of Leicester is only born of the frustration of knowing that this team is capable of so much more.
It's so really sad that so called football fans can't really grasp the fact that the manager's entire remit to make sure the players are motivated no matter what the situation. There are online services for such clarrifications . Ultimately Leicester fans know that because we have won the league you are bitter. It was only a matter of time - you just wanted us to go away didn't you. No chance, we are Leicester!
"If it was me, regardless of what these players do the rest of the season I wouldn't really want them at my club, knowing they could just decide they can't be bothered at any time."
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The thing is, ultimately: While Ranieri was the man who led us to the title, all but one of the players on the pitch tonight helped to achieve it as well. And the owners absolutely poured money into the club while we were in the Championship, turning (substantial) debt into equity out of their own pockets, in order to have a healthy business and a basis from which to build. All of them contributed to our success, and none of that will ever be forgotten in Leicester, or be taken from them or us.
comment by Glory Glory Hole (U1063)
posted 34 seconds ago
It's so really sad that so called football fans can't really grasp the fact that the manager's entire remit to make sure the players are motivated no matter what the situation. There are online services for such clarrifications . Ultimately Leicester fans know that because we have won the league you are bitter. It was only a matter of time - you just wanted us to go away didn't you. No chance, we are Leicester!
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To a point - Ranieri can't be on the pitch willing players to actually go for 50/50s, in the CBs ears telling them to header the ball away. They just look so lethargic to a point I can't even fathom how uninterested they've looked.
Totally agree TDM What the owners have done especially is phenomenal.
I just don't know if I could trust those players moving forward now.
Lorre - There have been sizeable sections of other fans and the media who have been against us over the last few days, people who look at us in abject horror for not condemning the owners and players for their actions, when they're just as responsible for our title win as Ranieri. It's a no-win situation, and yet only the other day I found myself getting sworn at on Facebook by a fan who doesn't even follow Leicester for even suggesting that there may be two sides to the story with regards to Ranieri's sacking. And I suspect many Leicester fans will have had similar experiences. Such experiences tend to breed a feeling that the world is indeed against you, particularly when it's the empty vessels around you making the most noise.
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 33 seconds ago
Lorre - There have been sizeable sections of other fans and the media who have been against us over the last few days, people who look at us in abject horror for not condemning the owners and players for their actions, when they're just as responsible for our title win as Ranieri. It's a no-win situation, and yet only the other day I found myself getting sworn at on Facebook by a fan who doesn't even follow Leicester for even suggesting that there may be two sides to the story with regards to Ranieri's sacking. And I suspect many Leicester fans will have had similar experiences. Such experiences tend to breed a feeling that the world is indeed against you, particularly when it's the empty vessels around you making the most noise.
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Yep - I that will had filtered to the players hence my coment earlier. Let them rock on as far as I'm concerned. We don't need plastics.
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 6 minutes ago
Lorre - There have been sizeable sections of other fans and the media who have been against us over the last few days, people who look at us in abject horror for not condemning the owners and players for their actions, when they're just as responsible for our title win as Ranieri. It's a no-win situation, and yet only the other day I found myself getting sworn at on Facebook by a fan who doesn't even follow Leicester for even suggesting that there may be two sides to the story with regards to Ranieri's sacking. And I suspect many Leicester fans will have had similar experiences. Such experiences tend to breed a feeling that the world is indeed against you, particularly when it's the empty vessels around you making the most noise.
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They are not just as responsible though. Those players were championship players a couple of years ago. Why is that Lester fans are so insistent on trying to downplay ranieris achievement? Carragher was talking about that today.
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 1 minute ago
Lorre - There have been sizeable sections of other fans and the media who have been against us over the last few days, people who look at us in abject horror for not condemning the owners and players for their actions, when they're just as responsible for our title win as Ranieri. It's a no-win situation, and yet only the other day I found myself getting sworn at on Facebook by a fan who doesn't even follow Leicester for even suggesting that there may be two sides to the story with regards to Ranieri's sacking. And I suspect many Leicester fans will have had similar experiences. Such experiences tend to breed a feeling that the world is indeed against you, particularly when it's the empty vessels around you making the most noise.
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TDM I think i know where you're coming from - and I don't pretend to know a fraction of what's been going on behind the scene. Yes, Ranieri's clearly lost the dressing room and I can't imagine how it could have come to that. I just find it a sad story. I'm going to bed now but just to say, good luck to Leicester - hope you stay up then go for it next season.
Because we know that Ranieri added the cherry to Pearson team that's why. A lot of informed fans will have been scared of Ranieri autonomy.
No he didn't god damn lmao. Gus poyet kept Sunderland up with some great form at the end of 13/14, did they go and WIN THE FURRRKING PREMIER LEAGUE next season? No, hell no they didn't. Lester fans don't seem to realise how amazing what ranieri did last season was.
Everyone is trying to take credit away from ranieri. It makes me sick, it really does.
comment by THE bag (U11806)
posted 30 minutes ago
Yep and I admire that attitude. It'd be easy to get dragged into negativity but you haven't and that would no doubt have had a big affect tonight.
CofE talking about tactics - weren't you looking for changes after things weren't going well? I'm sure I've seen you pushing for 3 at the back, for example. It's natural to change things around when things don't work, but the problem didn't seem to be the tactics, it was more the application of the players.
They upped it in the CL and got results when it suited them
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I didn't want a change of formation but I did say I understood why he's tried different things. The problem was a hole in midfield for half a season and that's not his fault but once we signed Ndidi he had the opportunity to revert back to basics but he didn't.
We've had systems changed hours before games, Drinky playing on the right of a diamond and all sorts of bizarre formations, line ups and substitutions. Shakey got them all spot on tonight. If Ranieri had told them to go out and play like they did last season then he wouldn't have lost his job but the truth is he didn't. He tried to turn us defensive, we lost our identity and became clueless.
I didn't want Ranieri to leave, I was honestly gutted but I changed my mind before this game because of things I've learnt in the last few days and I stand by it being the right decision.
You don't seem to realise you need to keep taking those meds. Look, trust me, Leicester's success was build for many years and we have seen success coming , obviously we didn't expect to win the league but the structure was there for us to see. It's only outsiders that are getting upset now. Do you hinestly think that us winning the league was out of the blue? Seriously?
Yes it was out of the blue. Completely. You are delusional.
Our success was out the blue for you, we expected maybe 8th in the league perhaps.
comment by Cesc + Costa - The Spanish Duo (U21341)
posted 5 minutes ago
No he didn't god damn lmao. Gus poyet kept Sunderland up with some great form at the end of 13/14, did they go and WIN THE FURRRKING PREMIER LEAGUE next season? No, hell no they didn't. Lester fans don't seem to realise how amazing what ranieri did last season was.
Everyone is trying to take credit away from ranieri. It makes me sick, it really does.
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No what you're not understanding is that credit has to be given to Pearson because he is the person that built the foundation. From the backroom staff, installing a sports science department unrivalled by any other in the league using new technology that no other clubs were using to aide player recovery, which Ranieri got rid of and we've had more injuries this season than the last three or four combined but most importantly, the team spirit.
Ranieri walked into the perfect job, he didn't change anything and used his tactical nous and experience to pull off something Pearson never could have. They're equally responsible really because Ranieri couldn't have done it without the team Pearson built.
^ that's not taking anything away from what Ranieri achieved, it's just respecting the influence that Pearson had.
Jeez gimme a break here. Lester were never meant to finish even 8th in the league last year, everyone thought you'd be fighting relegation again. There was nothing perfect about the job at all, it was just another lower pl team.
Everyone thought.....precisely the point. You will not get this unless you support Leicester.
Or you just have way too high an opinion of yourselves
Leicester might have gone down with Claudio. Once again, it demonstrates how the owners will feel they were correct.
Conversely, it also shows how those players would have gotten themselves relegated due a lack of motivation. However you cut it the situation is pretty embarrassing for them now.
Absolutely no way that team is going down if they replicate that performance a few more times.
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posted on 27/2/17
comment by jar jar winks (U21185)
posted 36 seconds ago
System is one thing. Leicester fans can't though pretend "intensity" (i.e. effort) wasn't noticbly different too.
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Exactly.
I understand when you're confident you have a little more energy, tend have an extra half yard and make your own good luck. But the difference is just so vast it can't simply be put down to this IMO.
If it was me, regardless of what these players do the rest of the season I wouldn't really want them at my club, knowing they could just decide they can't be bothered at any time.
posted on 27/2/17
"the pundits on MotD tonight said Leicester's players put in twice as many tackles against Liverpool. That's not the result of better tactics - that's them displaying with a desire they've rarely shown all season."
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I have to agree with this, CofE.
posted on 28/2/17
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 1 minute ago
THE bag - While they did up it in the Champions League at first, they did drift away somewhat. Brugge in our group were awful, while we arguably got more than we deserved with 4 points from 2 matches against Copenhagen. Porto at home was the best performance, and that required a top save from Kasper Schmeichel at the death to claim the 3 points. In fact Schmeichel won us a heck of a lot of points in that group, including one great save with a broken hand in Copenhagen (!)
Against Sevilla we got absolutely smashed, but they didn't finish their chances then bottled it and let us in for a goal. A 2-1 loss was an absolute travesty, but somehow we're still in the tie.
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True and you obviously know better than me, but you won a lot of games last season without playing amazingly, due to your desire and effort.
This is what has got you through the CL from what I can see, whereas in the league the players haven't any desire.
I might be wrong but that's how I see it
posted on 28/2/17
I can't believe there are Leicester fans on here who think the whole world is against them. Any lover of football with a brain absolutely loved what Leicester achieved last season and only wanted them to give their best shot. Any criticism of Leicester is only born of the frustration of knowing that this team is capable of so much more.
posted on 28/2/17
It's so really sad that so called football fans can't really grasp the fact that the manager's entire remit to make sure the players are motivated no matter what the situation. There are online services for such clarrifications . Ultimately Leicester fans know that because we have won the league you are bitter. It was only a matter of time - you just wanted us to go away didn't you. No chance, we are Leicester!
posted on 28/2/17
"If it was me, regardless of what these players do the rest of the season I wouldn't really want them at my club, knowing they could just decide they can't be bothered at any time."
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The thing is, ultimately: While Ranieri was the man who led us to the title, all but one of the players on the pitch tonight helped to achieve it as well. And the owners absolutely poured money into the club while we were in the Championship, turning (substantial) debt into equity out of their own pockets, in order to have a healthy business and a basis from which to build. All of them contributed to our success, and none of that will ever be forgotten in Leicester, or be taken from them or us.
posted on 28/2/17
comment by Glory Glory Hole (U1063)
posted 34 seconds ago
It's so really sad that so called football fans can't really grasp the fact that the manager's entire remit to make sure the players are motivated no matter what the situation. There are online services for such clarrifications . Ultimately Leicester fans know that because we have won the league you are bitter. It was only a matter of time - you just wanted us to go away didn't you. No chance, we are Leicester!
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To a point - Ranieri can't be on the pitch willing players to actually go for 50/50s, in the CBs ears telling them to header the ball away. They just look so lethargic to a point I can't even fathom how uninterested they've looked.
posted on 28/2/17
Totally agree TDM What the owners have done especially is phenomenal.
I just don't know if I could trust those players moving forward now.
posted on 28/2/17
Lorre - There have been sizeable sections of other fans and the media who have been against us over the last few days, people who look at us in abject horror for not condemning the owners and players for their actions, when they're just as responsible for our title win as Ranieri. It's a no-win situation, and yet only the other day I found myself getting sworn at on Facebook by a fan who doesn't even follow Leicester for even suggesting that there may be two sides to the story with regards to Ranieri's sacking. And I suspect many Leicester fans will have had similar experiences. Such experiences tend to breed a feeling that the world is indeed against you, particularly when it's the empty vessels around you making the most noise.
posted on 28/2/17
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 33 seconds ago
Lorre - There have been sizeable sections of other fans and the media who have been against us over the last few days, people who look at us in abject horror for not condemning the owners and players for their actions, when they're just as responsible for our title win as Ranieri. It's a no-win situation, and yet only the other day I found myself getting sworn at on Facebook by a fan who doesn't even follow Leicester for even suggesting that there may be two sides to the story with regards to Ranieri's sacking. And I suspect many Leicester fans will have had similar experiences. Such experiences tend to breed a feeling that the world is indeed against you, particularly when it's the empty vessels around you making the most noise.
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Yep - I that will had filtered to the players hence my coment earlier. Let them rock on as far as I'm concerned. We don't need plastics.
posted on 28/2/17
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 6 minutes ago
Lorre - There have been sizeable sections of other fans and the media who have been against us over the last few days, people who look at us in abject horror for not condemning the owners and players for their actions, when they're just as responsible for our title win as Ranieri. It's a no-win situation, and yet only the other day I found myself getting sworn at on Facebook by a fan who doesn't even follow Leicester for even suggesting that there may be two sides to the story with regards to Ranieri's sacking. And I suspect many Leicester fans will have had similar experiences. Such experiences tend to breed a feeling that the world is indeed against you, particularly when it's the empty vessels around you making the most noise.
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They are not just as responsible though. Those players were championship players a couple of years ago. Why is that Lester fans are so insistent on trying to downplay ranieris achievement? Carragher was talking about that today.
posted on 28/2/17
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 1 minute ago
Lorre - There have been sizeable sections of other fans and the media who have been against us over the last few days, people who look at us in abject horror for not condemning the owners and players for their actions, when they're just as responsible for our title win as Ranieri. It's a no-win situation, and yet only the other day I found myself getting sworn at on Facebook by a fan who doesn't even follow Leicester for even suggesting that there may be two sides to the story with regards to Ranieri's sacking. And I suspect many Leicester fans will have had similar experiences. Such experiences tend to breed a feeling that the world is indeed against you, particularly when it's the empty vessels around you making the most noise.
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TDM I think i know where you're coming from - and I don't pretend to know a fraction of what's been going on behind the scene. Yes, Ranieri's clearly lost the dressing room and I can't imagine how it could have come to that. I just find it a sad story. I'm going to bed now but just to say, good luck to Leicester - hope you stay up then go for it next season.
posted on 28/2/17
Because we know that Ranieri added the cherry to Pearson team that's why. A lot of informed fans will have been scared of Ranieri autonomy.
posted on 28/2/17
No he didn't god damn lmao. Gus poyet kept Sunderland up with some great form at the end of 13/14, did they go and WIN THE FURRRKING PREMIER LEAGUE next season? No, hell no they didn't. Lester fans don't seem to realise how amazing what ranieri did last season was.
Everyone is trying to take credit away from ranieri. It makes me sick, it really does.
posted on 28/2/17
comment by THE bag (U11806)
posted 30 minutes ago
Yep and I admire that attitude. It'd be easy to get dragged into negativity but you haven't and that would no doubt have had a big affect tonight.
CofE talking about tactics - weren't you looking for changes after things weren't going well? I'm sure I've seen you pushing for 3 at the back, for example. It's natural to change things around when things don't work, but the problem didn't seem to be the tactics, it was more the application of the players.
They upped it in the CL and got results when it suited them
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I didn't want a change of formation but I did say I understood why he's tried different things. The problem was a hole in midfield for half a season and that's not his fault but once we signed Ndidi he had the opportunity to revert back to basics but he didn't.
We've had systems changed hours before games, Drinky playing on the right of a diamond and all sorts of bizarre formations, line ups and substitutions. Shakey got them all spot on tonight. If Ranieri had told them to go out and play like they did last season then he wouldn't have lost his job but the truth is he didn't. He tried to turn us defensive, we lost our identity and became clueless.
I didn't want Ranieri to leave, I was honestly gutted but I changed my mind before this game because of things I've learnt in the last few days and I stand by it being the right decision.
posted on 28/2/17
You don't seem to realise you need to keep taking those meds. Look, trust me, Leicester's success was build for many years and we have seen success coming , obviously we didn't expect to win the league but the structure was there for us to see. It's only outsiders that are getting upset now. Do you hinestly think that us winning the league was out of the blue? Seriously?
posted on 28/2/17
Yes it was out of the blue. Completely. You are delusional.
posted on 28/2/17
Our success was out the blue for you, we expected maybe 8th in the league perhaps.
posted on 28/2/17
comment by Cesc + Costa - The Spanish Duo (U21341)
posted 5 minutes ago
No he didn't god damn lmao. Gus poyet kept Sunderland up with some great form at the end of 13/14, did they go and WIN THE FURRRKING PREMIER LEAGUE next season? No, hell no they didn't. Lester fans don't seem to realise how amazing what ranieri did last season was.
Everyone is trying to take credit away from ranieri. It makes me sick, it really does.
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No what you're not understanding is that credit has to be given to Pearson because he is the person that built the foundation. From the backroom staff, installing a sports science department unrivalled by any other in the league using new technology that no other clubs were using to aide player recovery, which Ranieri got rid of and we've had more injuries this season than the last three or four combined but most importantly, the team spirit.
Ranieri walked into the perfect job, he didn't change anything and used his tactical nous and experience to pull off something Pearson never could have. They're equally responsible really because Ranieri couldn't have done it without the team Pearson built.
posted on 28/2/17
^ that's not taking anything away from what Ranieri achieved, it's just respecting the influence that Pearson had.
posted on 28/2/17
Spot on.
posted on 28/2/17
Jeez gimme a break here. Lester were never meant to finish even 8th in the league last year, everyone thought you'd be fighting relegation again. There was nothing perfect about the job at all, it was just another lower pl team.
posted on 28/2/17
Everyone thought.....precisely the point. You will not get this unless you support Leicester.
posted on 28/2/17
Or you just have way too high an opinion of yourselves
posted on 28/2/17
Leicester might have gone down with Claudio. Once again, it demonstrates how the owners will feel they were correct.
Conversely, it also shows how those players would have gotten themselves relegated due a lack of motivation. However you cut it the situation is pretty embarrassing for them now.
Absolutely no way that team is going down if they replicate that performance a few more times.
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