Lots of discussion here in the last week or so about Islam, Christianity and Judaism - what are people's thoughts on Hinduism and Sikhism?
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They're smelly
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Both or one?
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comment by GalvNando. (U10415)
posted 4 hours, 8 minutes ago
FGM and circumcision is abhorrent tho
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FGM is and has no place in religion as far as I know, it's a cultural thing pre dating Islam and Christianity I think, even though it's mainly practised in Christian majority countries.
Circumcision is abhorrent, that's just a load of bollox it's even been proven to lower the risk of HIV infection on and your member looks prettier.
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While it is also practised by non-Muslims in Africa, FGM has mostly beome an Islamic issue. I think some justify it from a hadith although it is rejected by most scholars now. I remember reading that it is/was considered compulsory under the Shafii school of Islamic law so is commonly performed in any nation in which the people follow that guidance.
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Lots of discussion here in the last week or so about Islam, Christianity and Judaism - what are people's thoughts on Hinduism and Sikhism?
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Been dating a Hindu for 4 months and still dont know much beyond the no beef rule...
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posted 59 seconds ago
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Lots of discussion here in the last week or so about Islam, Christianity and Judaism - what are people's thoughts on Hinduism and Sikhism?
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Been dating a Hindu for 4 months and still dont know much beyond the no beef rule...
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Yeah, have a few Hindu friends who say beef is strictly forbidden as they worship the cow
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Lots of discussion here in the last week or so about Islam, Christianity and Judaism - what are people's thoughts on Hinduism and Sikhism?
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Been dating a Hindu for 4 months and still dont know much beyond the no beef rule...
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The steaks are high on whether you can keep to this rule and continue the relationship
That's why India are crap at football
11 lads on a pitch running away from the leather ball
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posted 17 minutes ago
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posted 24 seconds ago
I'm not sure the parents reasoning for circumcising their child is on the basis of hoping he doesn't get HIV
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I didn't say it was mate, read what I was responding to.
This is why this thread is 3000 comments long.
He lumped in FGM with circumcision. They are worlds a part. I haven't suffered being circumsiced, I merely through in the HIV factor as positive.
FGM causes the female to suffer and also not enjoy secs which is a different kind of hell altogether.
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Do you think it's an unnecessary process?
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No, from my experience the small parts of my religion which didn't look like they would impact my lfe usually end up looking like good choices.
like I said one benifit of being circumcised is the reduced percentage of catching HIV. Maybe we'll find more benifits in the future, that's my point.
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posted 9 minutes ago
Lots of discussion here in the last week or so about Islam, Christianity and Judaism - what are people's thoughts on Hinduism and Sikhism?
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Been dating a Hindu for 4 months and still dont know much beyond the no beef rule...
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at least its not a no beef curtains rule
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posted 1 second ago
That's why India are crap at football
11 lads on a pitch running away from the leather ball
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Mate, I think you should air those views on the cricket boards - might not go down so well with a couple of them
Beef vs Pork is the main reason that I'd pick being a Muslim over being Hindu. I love a steak.
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Beef vs Pork is the main reason that I'd pick being a Muslim over being Hindu. I love a steak.
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Lots of discussion here in the last week or so about Islam, Christianity and Judaism - what are people's thoughts on Hinduism and Sikhism?
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Been dating a Hindu for 4 months and still dont know much beyond the no beef rule...
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at least its not a no beef curtains rule
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Alright this was better than my attempt
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comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
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comment by GalvNando. (U10415)
posted 4 hours, 8 minutes ago
FGM and circumcision is abhorrent tho
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FGM is and has no place in religion as far as I know, it's a cultural thing pre dating Islam and Christianity I think, even though it's mainly practised in Christian majority countries.
Circumcision is abhorrent, that's just a load of bollox it's even been proven to lower the risk of HIV infection on and your member looks prettier.
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While it is also practised by non-Muslims in Africa, FGM has mostly beome an Islamic issue. I think some justify it from a hadith although it is rejected by most scholars now. I remember reading that it is/was considered compulsory under the Shafii school of Islamic law so is commonly performed in any nation in which the people follow that guidance.
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Aslan criticized Maher for making "facile arguments" when he generalized about Muslims and mislabeled female genital mutilation an Islamic problem.
"It's a central African problem," Aslan said. "Eritrea has almost 90 percent female genital mutilation. It's a Christian country. Ethiopia has 75 percent female genital mutilation. It's a Christian country. Nowhere else in the Muslim, Muslim-majority states is female genital mutilation an issue."
I haven't fact checked that my self though so if you find something that dismisses it I will take a look.
Hadith are catogorised in reliability, the Hadith is weak.
If I compile a book of information labelled 'do not use this information' that's what category that would be in. Weak Hadith were compiled primarily to notify Muslims that they are unreliable.
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Lots of discussion here in the last week or so about Islam, Christianity and Judaism - what are people's thoughts on Hinduism and Sikhism?
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Like the others, I think there are good and bad aspects. The philosophy behind them can be profound and wise, but the beliefs and practices can be harmful.
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posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by GalvNando. (U10415)
posted 4 hours, 8 minutes ago
FGM and circumcision is abhorrent tho
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FGM is and has no place in religion as far as I know, it's a cultural thing pre dating Islam and Christianity I think, even though it's mainly practised in Christian majority countries.
Circumcision is abhorrent, that's just a load of bollox it's even been proven to lower the risk of HIV infection on and your member looks prettier.
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While it is also practised by non-Muslims in Africa, FGM has mostly beome an Islamic issue. I think some justify it from a hadith although it is rejected by most scholars now. I remember reading that it is/was considered compulsory under the Shafii school of Islamic law so is commonly performed in any nation in which the people follow that guidance.
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Aslan criticized Maher for making "facile arguments" when he generalized about Muslims and mislabeled female genital mutilation an Islamic problem.
"It's a central African problem," Aslan said. "Eritrea has almost 90 percent female genital mutilation. It's a Christian country. Ethiopia has 75 percent female genital mutilation. It's a Christian country. Nowhere else in the Muslim, Muslim-majority states is female genital mutilation an issue."
I haven't fact checked that my self though so if you find something that dismisses it I will take a look.
Hadith are catogorised in reliability, the Hadith is weak.
If I compile a book of information labelled 'do not use this information' that's what category that would be in. Weak Hadith were compiled primarily to notify Muslims that they are unreliable.
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I'm not necessarily saying it is justified within Islam, but more that it has become mostly an Islamic issue. Reza Aslan was somewhat naive in his comments. He claimed it was just an "African problem" but it is widely practised outside of Africa as well. In Indonesia for instance, almost all women have undergone FGM. Outside of African, it mostly affects Muslim nations or Muslim populations within other nations (such as Thailand or the Philippines).
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comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
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comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
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comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 24 seconds ago
I'm not sure the parents reasoning for circumcising their child is on the basis of hoping he doesn't get HIV
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I didn't say it was mate, read what I was responding to.
This is why this thread is 3000 comments long.
He lumped in FGM with circumcision. They are worlds a part. I haven't suffered being circumsiced, I merely through in the HIV factor as positive.
FGM causes the female to suffer and also not enjoy secs which is a different kind of hell altogether.
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Do you think it's an unnecessary process?
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No, from my experience the small parts of my religion which didn't look like they would impact my lfe usually end up looking like good choices.
like I said one benifit of being circumcised is the reduced percentage of catching HIV. Maybe we'll find more benifits in the future, that's my point.
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What about before there were known/suggested benefits for it? Is it not illogical to have a 'wait and see' or 'wait and hope' view that this tradition is worthwhile.
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As I said before as you slowly find out you agree with the morals and ethical codes found within the Quran not eating pork or being circuncision isn't an issue.
When I was sceptical about religion I researched the same questions which have been posed by non Muslims on this thread.
I researched through reading, talking to scholars and some of the best information I received were from white former Christians/Athiests who researched thoroughly before becoming Muslim.
I found out that the rules of engagement on a the battledfield are ethically superior to anything else I had encountered.
Islams focus on the poor and weak made a significant impact on me in a world where poor people are bullied the most and even have more blame levelled on them for our crappy economy (benifit fraud)
My questions around the treatment of women were answered. Women being able to vote, work, own property, own a business, being able to divorce, sexual rights and the right for alamony being an obligation.
Islam promotes the gold standard as Britain used to, money backed by nothing is a big reason why we are always close to financial melt down.
I also think the Quran is the only holy book which asks the reader to prove its a fabrication by setting a challenge.
These are a few (not all) things that had a massive impact on my decision to take my religion seriously.
In the face of all of this having faith that not eating pork or being circumcised will be benificial is nothing. Circumcision being something we know now as having a little benifit at least.
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comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by GalvNando. (U10415)
posted 4 hours, 8 minutes ago
FGM and circumcision is abhorrent tho
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FGM is and has no place in religion as far as I know, it's a cultural thing pre dating Islam and Christianity I think, even though it's mainly practised in Christian majority countries.
Circumcision is abhorrent, that's just a load of bollox it's even been proven to lower the risk of HIV infection on and your member looks prettier.
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While it is also practised by non-Muslims in Africa, FGM has mostly beome an Islamic issue. I think some justify it from a hadith although it is rejected by most scholars now. I remember reading that it is/was considered compulsory under the Shafii school of Islamic law so is commonly performed in any nation in which the people follow that guidance.
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Aslan criticized Maher for making "facile arguments" when he generalized about Muslims and mislabeled female genital mutilation an Islamic problem.
"It's a central African problem," Aslan said. "Eritrea has almost 90 percent female genital mutilation. It's a Christian country. Ethiopia has 75 percent female genital mutilation. It's a Christian country. Nowhere else in the Muslim, Muslim-majority states is female genital mutilation an issue."
I haven't fact checked that my self though so if you find something that dismisses it I will take a look.
Hadith are catogorised in reliability, the Hadith is weak.
If I compile a book of information labelled 'do not use this information' that's what category that would be in. Weak Hadith were compiled primarily to notify Muslims that they are unreliable.
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I'm not necessarily saying it is justified within Islam, but more that it has become mostly an Islamic issue. Reza Aslan was somewhat naive in his comments. He claimed it was just an "African problem" but it is widely practised outside of Africa as well. In Indonesia for instance, almost all women have undergone FGM. Outside of African, it mostly affects Muslim nations or Muslim populations within other nations (such as Thailand or the Philippines).
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I'll have to take your word for it for now.
I can only talk about FGM from an Islamic perspective. I have done minimal research to be able to give you a proper opinion on the matter in terms of geography.
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
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posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 24 seconds ago
I'm not sure the parents reasoning for circumcising their child is on the basis of hoping he doesn't get HIV
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I didn't say it was mate, read what I was responding to.
This is why this thread is 3000 comments long.
He lumped in FGM with circumcision. They are worlds a part. I haven't suffered being circumsiced, I merely through in the HIV factor as positive.
FGM causes the female to suffer and also not enjoy secs which is a different kind of hell altogether.
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Do you think it's an unnecessary process?
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No, from my experience the small parts of my religion which didn't look like they would impact my lfe usually end up looking like good choices.
like I said one benifit of being circumcised is the reduced percentage of catching HIV. Maybe we'll find more benifits in the future, that's my point.
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What about before there were known/suggested benefits for it? Is it not illogical to have a 'wait and see' or 'wait and hope' view that this tradition is worthwhile.
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As I said before as you slowly find out you agree with the morals and ethical codes found within the Quran not eating pork or being circuncision isn't an issue.
When I was sceptical about religion I researched the same questions which have been posed by non Muslims on this thread.
I researched through reading, talking to scholars and some of the best information I received were from white former Christians/Athiests who researched thoroughly before becoming Muslim.
I found out that the rules of engagement on a the battledfield are ethically superior to anything else I had encountered.
Islams focus on the poor and weak made a significant impact on me in a world where poor people are bullied the most and even have more blame levelled on them for our crappy economy (benifit fraud)
My questions around the treatment of women were answered. Women being able to vote, work, own property, own a business, being able to divorce, sexual rights and the right for alamony being an obligation.
Islam promotes the gold standard as Britain used to, money backed by nothing is a big reason why we are always close to financial melt down.
I also think the Quran is the only holy book which asks the reader to prove its a fabrication by setting a challenge.
These are a few (not all) things that had a massive impact on my decision to take my religion seriously.
In the face of all of this having faith that not eating pork or being circumcised will be benificial is nothing. Circumcision being something we know now as having a little benifit at least.
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It's interesting to read a fellow Muslims journey to Islam.. I only started takingbit seriously after reading the biography of Muhammad saw- it got me thinking at a deep level.. his 13 years in makkah after prophethood and the struggles he faced had a deep impact on me...
His attitude, character and personality during this period is unbelievably inspirational... no wonder M.Hart My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels..
No wonder M Hart said ***
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comment by GalvNando. (U10415)
posted 4 hours, 8 minutes ago
FGM and circumcision is abhorrent tho
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FGM is and has no place in religion as far as I know, it's a cultural thing pre dating Islam and Christianity I think, even though it's mainly practised in Christian majority countries.
Circumcision is abhorrent, that's just a load of bollox it's even been proven to lower the risk of HIV infection on and your member looks prettier.
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While it is also practised by non-Muslims in Africa, FGM has mostly beome an Islamic issue. I think some justify it from a hadith although it is rejected by most scholars now. I remember reading that it is/was considered compulsory under the Shafii school of Islamic law so is commonly performed in any nation in which the people follow that guidance.
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Aslan criticized Maher for making "facile arguments" when he generalized about Muslims and mislabeled female genital mutilation an Islamic problem.
"It's a central African problem," Aslan said. "Eritrea has almost 90 percent female genital mutilation. It's a Christian country. Ethiopia has 75 percent female genital mutilation. It's a Christian country. Nowhere else in the Muslim, Muslim-majority states is female genital mutilation an issue."
I haven't fact checked that my self though so if you find something that dismisses it I will take a look.
Hadith are catogorised in reliability, the Hadith is weak.
If I compile a book of information labelled 'do not use this information' that's what category that would be in. Weak Hadith were compiled primarily to notify Muslims that they are unreliable.
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I'm not necessarily saying it is justified within Islam, but more that it has become mostly an Islamic issue. Reza Aslan was somewhat naive in his comments. He claimed it was just an "African problem" but it is widely practised outside of Africa as well. In Indonesia for instance, almost all women have undergone FGM. Outside of African, it mostly affects Muslim nations or Muslim populations within other nations (such as Thailand or the Philippines).
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I'll have to take your word for it for now.
I can only talk about FGM from an Islamic perspective. I have done minimal research to be able to give you a proper opinion on the matter in terms of geography.
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It's hard to find clear statistics on FGM since it often done in secret. However, the studies that have been conducted have shown a correlation between the practice and Muslim populations around the world even though most leading Muslim figures oppose it now.
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Lots of discussion here in the last week or so about Islam, Christianity and Judaism - what are people's thoughts on Hinduism and Sikhism?
posted on 29/3/17
They're smelly
posted on 29/3/17
comment by Hans Goober (U13531)
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They're smelly
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Both or one?
posted on 29/3/17
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posted on 29/3/17
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by GalvNando. (U10415)
posted 4 hours, 8 minutes ago
FGM and circumcision is abhorrent tho
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FGM is and has no place in religion as far as I know, it's a cultural thing pre dating Islam and Christianity I think, even though it's mainly practised in Christian majority countries.
Circumcision is abhorrent, that's just a load of bollox it's even been proven to lower the risk of HIV infection on and your member looks prettier.
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While it is also practised by non-Muslims in Africa, FGM has mostly beome an Islamic issue. I think some justify it from a hadith although it is rejected by most scholars now. I remember reading that it is/was considered compulsory under the Shafii school of Islamic law so is commonly performed in any nation in which the people follow that guidance.
posted on 29/3/17
comment by Afridi14.... You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 9 minutes ago
Lots of discussion here in the last week or so about Islam, Christianity and Judaism - what are people's thoughts on Hinduism and Sikhism?
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Been dating a Hindu for 4 months and still dont know much beyond the no beef rule...
posted on 29/3/17
comment by Blarmy - 10pntsclearsea (U14547)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Afridi14.... You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 9 minutes ago
Lots of discussion here in the last week or so about Islam, Christianity and Judaism - what are people's thoughts on Hinduism and Sikhism?
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Been dating a Hindu for 4 months and still dont know much beyond the no beef rule...
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Yeah, have a few Hindu friends who say beef is strictly forbidden as they worship the cow
posted on 29/3/17
comment by Blarmy - 10pntsclearsea (U14547)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Afridi14.... You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 9 minutes ago
Lots of discussion here in the last week or so about Islam, Christianity and Judaism - what are people's thoughts on Hinduism and Sikhism?
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Been dating a Hindu for 4 months and still dont know much beyond the no beef rule...
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The steaks are high on whether you can keep to this rule and continue the relationship
posted on 29/3/17
That's why India are crap at football
11 lads on a pitch running away from the leather ball
posted on 29/3/17
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 24 seconds ago
I'm not sure the parents reasoning for circumcising their child is on the basis of hoping he doesn't get HIV
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I didn't say it was mate, read what I was responding to.
This is why this thread is 3000 comments long.
He lumped in FGM with circumcision. They are worlds a part. I haven't suffered being circumsiced, I merely through in the HIV factor as positive.
FGM causes the female to suffer and also not enjoy secs which is a different kind of hell altogether.
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Do you think it's an unnecessary process?
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No, from my experience the small parts of my religion which didn't look like they would impact my lfe usually end up looking like good choices.
like I said one benifit of being circumcised is the reduced percentage of catching HIV. Maybe we'll find more benifits in the future, that's my point.
posted on 29/3/17
comment by Blarmy - 10pntsclearsea (U14547)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Afridi14.... You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 9 minutes ago
Lots of discussion here in the last week or so about Islam, Christianity and Judaism - what are people's thoughts on Hinduism and Sikhism?
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Been dating a Hindu for 4 months and still dont know much beyond the no beef rule...
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at least its not a no beef curtains rule
posted on 29/3/17
comment by Hans Goober (U13531)
posted 1 second ago
That's why India are crap at football
11 lads on a pitch running away from the leather ball
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Mate, I think you should air those views on the cricket boards - might not go down so well with a couple of them
posted on 29/3/17
Beef vs Pork is the main reason that I'd pick being a Muslim over being Hindu. I love a steak.
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comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 41 seconds ago
Beef vs Pork is the main reason that I'd pick being a Muslim over being Hindu. I love a steak.
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posted on 29/3/17
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comment by Blarmy - 10pntsclearsea (U14547)
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comment by Afridi14.... You gotta love it!! (U2805)
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Lots of discussion here in the last week or so about Islam, Christianity and Judaism - what are people's thoughts on Hinduism and Sikhism?
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Been dating a Hindu for 4 months and still dont know much beyond the no beef rule...
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at least its not a no beef curtains rule
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Alright this was better than my attempt
posted on 29/3/17
comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by GalvNando. (U10415)
posted 4 hours, 8 minutes ago
FGM and circumcision is abhorrent tho
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FGM is and has no place in religion as far as I know, it's a cultural thing pre dating Islam and Christianity I think, even though it's mainly practised in Christian majority countries.
Circumcision is abhorrent, that's just a load of bollox it's even been proven to lower the risk of HIV infection on and your member looks prettier.
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While it is also practised by non-Muslims in Africa, FGM has mostly beome an Islamic issue. I think some justify it from a hadith although it is rejected by most scholars now. I remember reading that it is/was considered compulsory under the Shafii school of Islamic law so is commonly performed in any nation in which the people follow that guidance.
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Aslan criticized Maher for making "facile arguments" when he generalized about Muslims and mislabeled female genital mutilation an Islamic problem.
"It's a central African problem," Aslan said. "Eritrea has almost 90 percent female genital mutilation. It's a Christian country. Ethiopia has 75 percent female genital mutilation. It's a Christian country. Nowhere else in the Muslim, Muslim-majority states is female genital mutilation an issue."
I haven't fact checked that my self though so if you find something that dismisses it I will take a look.
Hadith are catogorised in reliability, the Hadith is weak.
If I compile a book of information labelled 'do not use this information' that's what category that would be in. Weak Hadith were compiled primarily to notify Muslims that they are unreliable.
posted on 29/3/17
comment by Afridi14.... You gotta love it!! (U2805)
posted 11 minutes ago
Lots of discussion here in the last week or so about Islam, Christianity and Judaism - what are people's thoughts on Hinduism and Sikhism?
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Like the others, I think there are good and bad aspects. The philosophy behind them can be profound and wise, but the beliefs and practices can be harmful.
posted on 29/3/17
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posted on 29/3/17
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comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by GalvNando. (U10415)
posted 4 hours, 8 minutes ago
FGM and circumcision is abhorrent tho
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FGM is and has no place in religion as far as I know, it's a cultural thing pre dating Islam and Christianity I think, even though it's mainly practised in Christian majority countries.
Circumcision is abhorrent, that's just a load of bollox it's even been proven to lower the risk of HIV infection on and your member looks prettier.
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While it is also practised by non-Muslims in Africa, FGM has mostly beome an Islamic issue. I think some justify it from a hadith although it is rejected by most scholars now. I remember reading that it is/was considered compulsory under the Shafii school of Islamic law so is commonly performed in any nation in which the people follow that guidance.
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Aslan criticized Maher for making "facile arguments" when he generalized about Muslims and mislabeled female genital mutilation an Islamic problem.
"It's a central African problem," Aslan said. "Eritrea has almost 90 percent female genital mutilation. It's a Christian country. Ethiopia has 75 percent female genital mutilation. It's a Christian country. Nowhere else in the Muslim, Muslim-majority states is female genital mutilation an issue."
I haven't fact checked that my self though so if you find something that dismisses it I will take a look.
Hadith are catogorised in reliability, the Hadith is weak.
If I compile a book of information labelled 'do not use this information' that's what category that would be in. Weak Hadith were compiled primarily to notify Muslims that they are unreliable.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I'm not necessarily saying it is justified within Islam, but more that it has become mostly an Islamic issue. Reza Aslan was somewhat naive in his comments. He claimed it was just an "African problem" but it is widely practised outside of Africa as well. In Indonesia for instance, almost all women have undergone FGM. Outside of African, it mostly affects Muslim nations or Muslim populations within other nations (such as Thailand or the Philippines).
posted on 29/3/17
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posted 40 minutes ago
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posted 13 minutes ago
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 24 seconds ago
I'm not sure the parents reasoning for circumcising their child is on the basis of hoping he doesn't get HIV
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I didn't say it was mate, read what I was responding to.
This is why this thread is 3000 comments long.
He lumped in FGM with circumcision. They are worlds a part. I haven't suffered being circumsiced, I merely through in the HIV factor as positive.
FGM causes the female to suffer and also not enjoy secs which is a different kind of hell altogether.
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Do you think it's an unnecessary process?
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No, from my experience the small parts of my religion which didn't look like they would impact my lfe usually end up looking like good choices.
like I said one benifit of being circumcised is the reduced percentage of catching HIV. Maybe we'll find more benifits in the future, that's my point.
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What about before there were known/suggested benefits for it? Is it not illogical to have a 'wait and see' or 'wait and hope' view that this tradition is worthwhile.
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As I said before as you slowly find out you agree with the morals and ethical codes found within the Quran not eating pork or being circuncision isn't an issue.
When I was sceptical about religion I researched the same questions which have been posed by non Muslims on this thread.
I researched through reading, talking to scholars and some of the best information I received were from white former Christians/Athiests who researched thoroughly before becoming Muslim.
I found out that the rules of engagement on a the battledfield are ethically superior to anything else I had encountered.
Islams focus on the poor and weak made a significant impact on me in a world where poor people are bullied the most and even have more blame levelled on them for our crappy economy (benifit fraud)
My questions around the treatment of women were answered. Women being able to vote, work, own property, own a business, being able to divorce, sexual rights and the right for alamony being an obligation.
Islam promotes the gold standard as Britain used to, money backed by nothing is a big reason why we are always close to financial melt down.
I also think the Quran is the only holy book which asks the reader to prove its a fabrication by setting a challenge.
These are a few (not all) things that had a massive impact on my decision to take my religion seriously.
In the face of all of this having faith that not eating pork or being circumcised will be benificial is nothing. Circumcision being something we know now as having a little benifit at least.
posted on 29/3/17
comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by GalvNando. (U10415)
posted 4 hours, 8 minutes ago
FGM and circumcision is abhorrent tho
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FGM is and has no place in religion as far as I know, it's a cultural thing pre dating Islam and Christianity I think, even though it's mainly practised in Christian majority countries.
Circumcision is abhorrent, that's just a load of bollox it's even been proven to lower the risk of HIV infection on and your member looks prettier.
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While it is also practised by non-Muslims in Africa, FGM has mostly beome an Islamic issue. I think some justify it from a hadith although it is rejected by most scholars now. I remember reading that it is/was considered compulsory under the Shafii school of Islamic law so is commonly performed in any nation in which the people follow that guidance.
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Aslan criticized Maher for making "facile arguments" when he generalized about Muslims and mislabeled female genital mutilation an Islamic problem.
"It's a central African problem," Aslan said. "Eritrea has almost 90 percent female genital mutilation. It's a Christian country. Ethiopia has 75 percent female genital mutilation. It's a Christian country. Nowhere else in the Muslim, Muslim-majority states is female genital mutilation an issue."
I haven't fact checked that my self though so if you find something that dismisses it I will take a look.
Hadith are catogorised in reliability, the Hadith is weak.
If I compile a book of information labelled 'do not use this information' that's what category that would be in. Weak Hadith were compiled primarily to notify Muslims that they are unreliable.
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I'm not necessarily saying it is justified within Islam, but more that it has become mostly an Islamic issue. Reza Aslan was somewhat naive in his comments. He claimed it was just an "African problem" but it is widely practised outside of Africa as well. In Indonesia for instance, almost all women have undergone FGM. Outside of African, it mostly affects Muslim nations or Muslim populations within other nations (such as Thailand or the Philippines).
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I'll have to take your word for it for now.
I can only talk about FGM from an Islamic perspective. I have done minimal research to be able to give you a proper opinion on the matter in terms of geography.
posted on 29/3/17
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 24 seconds ago
I'm not sure the parents reasoning for circumcising their child is on the basis of hoping he doesn't get HIV
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I didn't say it was mate, read what I was responding to.
This is why this thread is 3000 comments long.
He lumped in FGM with circumcision. They are worlds a part. I haven't suffered being circumsiced, I merely through in the HIV factor as positive.
FGM causes the female to suffer and also not enjoy secs which is a different kind of hell altogether.
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Do you think it's an unnecessary process?
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No, from my experience the small parts of my religion which didn't look like they would impact my lfe usually end up looking like good choices.
like I said one benifit of being circumcised is the reduced percentage of catching HIV. Maybe we'll find more benifits in the future, that's my point.
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What about before there were known/suggested benefits for it? Is it not illogical to have a 'wait and see' or 'wait and hope' view that this tradition is worthwhile.
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As I said before as you slowly find out you agree with the morals and ethical codes found within the Quran not eating pork or being circuncision isn't an issue.
When I was sceptical about religion I researched the same questions which have been posed by non Muslims on this thread.
I researched through reading, talking to scholars and some of the best information I received were from white former Christians/Athiests who researched thoroughly before becoming Muslim.
I found out that the rules of engagement on a the battledfield are ethically superior to anything else I had encountered.
Islams focus on the poor and weak made a significant impact on me in a world where poor people are bullied the most and even have more blame levelled on them for our crappy economy (benifit fraud)
My questions around the treatment of women were answered. Women being able to vote, work, own property, own a business, being able to divorce, sexual rights and the right for alamony being an obligation.
Islam promotes the gold standard as Britain used to, money backed by nothing is a big reason why we are always close to financial melt down.
I also think the Quran is the only holy book which asks the reader to prove its a fabrication by setting a challenge.
These are a few (not all) things that had a massive impact on my decision to take my religion seriously.
In the face of all of this having faith that not eating pork or being circumcised will be benificial is nothing. Circumcision being something we know now as having a little benifit at least.
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It's interesting to read a fellow Muslims journey to Islam.. I only started takingbit seriously after reading the biography of Muhammad saw- it got me thinking at a deep level.. his 13 years in makkah after prophethood and the struggles he faced had a deep impact on me...
His attitude, character and personality during this period is unbelievably inspirational... no wonder M.Hart My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels..
posted on 29/3/17
No wonder M Hart said ***
posted on 29/3/17
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Sniper (U21079)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona *JeSuisPalestinian* (U18082)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by GalvNando. (U10415)
posted 4 hours, 8 minutes ago
FGM and circumcision is abhorrent tho
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FGM is and has no place in religion as far as I know, it's a cultural thing pre dating Islam and Christianity I think, even though it's mainly practised in Christian majority countries.
Circumcision is abhorrent, that's just a load of bollox it's even been proven to lower the risk of HIV infection on and your member looks prettier.
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While it is also practised by non-Muslims in Africa, FGM has mostly beome an Islamic issue. I think some justify it from a hadith although it is rejected by most scholars now. I remember reading that it is/was considered compulsory under the Shafii school of Islamic law so is commonly performed in any nation in which the people follow that guidance.
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Aslan criticized Maher for making "facile arguments" when he generalized about Muslims and mislabeled female genital mutilation an Islamic problem.
"It's a central African problem," Aslan said. "Eritrea has almost 90 percent female genital mutilation. It's a Christian country. Ethiopia has 75 percent female genital mutilation. It's a Christian country. Nowhere else in the Muslim, Muslim-majority states is female genital mutilation an issue."
I haven't fact checked that my self though so if you find something that dismisses it I will take a look.
Hadith are catogorised in reliability, the Hadith is weak.
If I compile a book of information labelled 'do not use this information' that's what category that would be in. Weak Hadith were compiled primarily to notify Muslims that they are unreliable.
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I'm not necessarily saying it is justified within Islam, but more that it has become mostly an Islamic issue. Reza Aslan was somewhat naive in his comments. He claimed it was just an "African problem" but it is widely practised outside of Africa as well. In Indonesia for instance, almost all women have undergone FGM. Outside of African, it mostly affects Muslim nations or Muslim populations within other nations (such as Thailand or the Philippines).
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I'll have to take your word for it for now.
I can only talk about FGM from an Islamic perspective. I have done minimal research to be able to give you a proper opinion on the matter in terms of geography.
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It's hard to find clear statistics on FGM since it often done in secret. However, the studies that have been conducted have shown a correlation between the practice and Muslim populations around the world even though most leading Muslim figures oppose it now.
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