"I suspect he is either going upstairs or out."
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Rumours that Vieira is being brought in as DoF.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 32 minutes ago
Its not about announcing to the public. Its about telling the players especially their agents as we are close enough to the end of the season for negotiations to begin with those whose contracts are ending, or those who are planning to leave. Thats why I don't think he is staying, at least not in his present role.
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Maybe the board and Wenger feel they can't disclose any info to the players, after the 'leaked' training ground bust up with Sanchez?
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
"I suspect he is either going upstairs or out."
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Rumours that Vieira is being brought in as DoF.
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Not sure how that would work. Vieira is going to be Wenger's boss?
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 32 minutes ago
Its not about announcing to the public. Its about telling the players especially their agents as we are close enough to the end of the season for negotiations to begin with those whose contracts are ending, or those who are planning to leave. Thats why I don't think he is staying, at least not in his present role.
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Maybe the board and Wenger feel they can't disclose any info to the players, after the 'leaked' training ground bust up with Sanchez?
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So instead they watch players who want to go if Wenger leaves perform like they don't care? Walcott pretty much said it. Whats better?
Its not about announcing to the public. Its about telling the players especially their agents as we are close enough to the end of the season for negotiations to begin with those whose contracts are ending, or those who are planning to leave. Thats why I don't think he is staying, at least not in his present role.
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Everything I've seen of his behaviour and heard from him in interviews points to the contrary. He clearly, genuinely, believes that he is still the right man to deliver success to Arsenal. Nothing has changed at all. If he didn't take the hint after the 8-2 vs Utd, or the 6-0 vs Chelsea, why would he now? You underestimate how attached he has become to the job.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
"I suspect he is either going upstairs or out."
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Rumours that Vieira is being brought in as DoF.
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Not sure how that would work. Vieira is going to be Wenger's boss?
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Is Ivan Gazidis Wenger's 'boss'?
I suspect that were Vieira, or Pires, to be given a DoF role, they would still be subservient to the manager.
Which, yes, would probably cause even more imbalance at the club - though hopefully only in the short term - whilst they were groomed for taking on the job, and all its responsibilities, once Wenger finally leaves.
Unless they have retired by then, of course...
comment by renoog (U4449)
posted 18 hours, 54 minutes ago
Its not about announcing to the public. Its about telling the players especially their agents as we are close enough to the end of the season for negotiations to begin with those whose contracts are ending, or those who are planning to leave. Thats why I don't think he is staying, at least not in his present role.
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Everything I've seen of his behaviour and heard from him in interviews points to the contrary. He clearly, genuinely, believes that he is still the right man to deliver success to Arsenal. Nothing has changed at all. If he didn't take the hint after the 8-2 vs Utd, or the 6-0 vs Chelsea, why would he now? You underestimate how attached he has become to the job.
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Oh I agree with you completely on how much he wants to continue. Thats why I have suggested for a couple of years now that the only way to get rid of him would be to promote him if it was left up to him.
I just think the level of disorganisation on the pitch has got to be down to a lack of coaching. We have always been bad compared to other top teams but not marking properly, centre backs trying to head balls instead of the holding player, uncertainty from players in interviews suggests to me the club is in flux. Wenger has always indicated he was going to stay in the past even when his contract was still in negotiation. We haven't heard that from him this time.
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 18 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
"I suspect he is either going upstairs or out."
-----
Rumours that Vieira is being brought in as DoF.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure how that would work. Vieira is going to be Wenger's boss?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is Ivan Gazidis Wenger's 'boss'?
I suspect that were Vieira, or Pires, to be given a DoF role, they would still be subservient to the manager.
Which, yes, would probably cause even more imbalance at the club - though hopefully only in the short term - whilst they were groomed for taking on the job, and all its responsibilities, once Wenger finally leaves.
Unless they have retired by then, of course...
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Wenger takes his orders from the board. Josh Kroenke is a board member so I suspect Wenger does take orders from Gazidis. Now if Gazidis isn't brave enough to do his job is another matter. Which comes back to Wenger and DoF. Essentially the DoF would have to over rule Wenger otherwise what would be the point? I don't see how Vieira/Pires or any ex-player for that matter would learn anything in a sporting director role. Coach, yes, absolutely. But Sporting director is completely different and would mostly be a desk job.
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posted on 11/4/17
"I suspect he is either going upstairs or out."
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Rumours that Vieira is being brought in as DoF.
posted on 11/4/17
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 32 minutes ago
Its not about announcing to the public. Its about telling the players especially their agents as we are close enough to the end of the season for negotiations to begin with those whose contracts are ending, or those who are planning to leave. Thats why I don't think he is staying, at least not in his present role.
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Maybe the board and Wenger feel they can't disclose any info to the players, after the 'leaked' training ground bust up with Sanchez?
posted on 11/4/17
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
"I suspect he is either going upstairs or out."
-----
Rumours that Vieira is being brought in as DoF.
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Not sure how that would work. Vieira is going to be Wenger's boss?
posted on 11/4/17
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 1 hour, 45 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 32 minutes ago
Its not about announcing to the public. Its about telling the players especially their agents as we are close enough to the end of the season for negotiations to begin with those whose contracts are ending, or those who are planning to leave. Thats why I don't think he is staying, at least not in his present role.
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Maybe the board and Wenger feel they can't disclose any info to the players, after the 'leaked' training ground bust up with Sanchez?
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So instead they watch players who want to go if Wenger leaves perform like they don't care? Walcott pretty much said it. Whats better?
posted on 11/4/17
Its not about announcing to the public. Its about telling the players especially their agents as we are close enough to the end of the season for negotiations to begin with those whose contracts are ending, or those who are planning to leave. Thats why I don't think he is staying, at least not in his present role.
---------------
Everything I've seen of his behaviour and heard from him in interviews points to the contrary. He clearly, genuinely, believes that he is still the right man to deliver success to Arsenal. Nothing has changed at all. If he didn't take the hint after the 8-2 vs Utd, or the 6-0 vs Chelsea, why would he now? You underestimate how attached he has become to the job.
posted on 11/4/17
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
"I suspect he is either going upstairs or out."
-----
Rumours that Vieira is being brought in as DoF.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure how that would work. Vieira is going to be Wenger's boss?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is Ivan Gazidis Wenger's 'boss'?
I suspect that were Vieira, or Pires, to be given a DoF role, they would still be subservient to the manager.
Which, yes, would probably cause even more imbalance at the club - though hopefully only in the short term - whilst they were groomed for taking on the job, and all its responsibilities, once Wenger finally leaves.
Unless they have retired by then, of course...
posted on 12/4/17
comment by renoog (U4449)
posted 18 hours, 54 minutes ago
Its not about announcing to the public. Its about telling the players especially their agents as we are close enough to the end of the season for negotiations to begin with those whose contracts are ending, or those who are planning to leave. Thats why I don't think he is staying, at least not in his present role.
---------------
Everything I've seen of his behaviour and heard from him in interviews points to the contrary. He clearly, genuinely, believes that he is still the right man to deliver success to Arsenal. Nothing has changed at all. If he didn't take the hint after the 8-2 vs Utd, or the 6-0 vs Chelsea, why would he now? You underestimate how attached he has become to the job.
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Oh I agree with you completely on how much he wants to continue. Thats why I have suggested for a couple of years now that the only way to get rid of him would be to promote him if it was left up to him.
I just think the level of disorganisation on the pitch has got to be down to a lack of coaching. We have always been bad compared to other top teams but not marking properly, centre backs trying to head balls instead of the holding player, uncertainty from players in interviews suggests to me the club is in flux. Wenger has always indicated he was going to stay in the past even when his contract was still in negotiation. We haven't heard that from him this time.
posted on 12/4/17
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 18 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
"I suspect he is either going upstairs or out."
-----
Rumours that Vieira is being brought in as DoF.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not sure how that would work. Vieira is going to be Wenger's boss?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is Ivan Gazidis Wenger's 'boss'?
I suspect that were Vieira, or Pires, to be given a DoF role, they would still be subservient to the manager.
Which, yes, would probably cause even more imbalance at the club - though hopefully only in the short term - whilst they were groomed for taking on the job, and all its responsibilities, once Wenger finally leaves.
Unless they have retired by then, of course...
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Wenger takes his orders from the board. Josh Kroenke is a board member so I suspect Wenger does take orders from Gazidis. Now if Gazidis isn't brave enough to do his job is another matter. Which comes back to Wenger and DoF. Essentially the DoF would have to over rule Wenger otherwise what would be the point? I don't see how Vieira/Pires or any ex-player for that matter would learn anything in a sporting director role. Coach, yes, absolutely. But Sporting director is completely different and would mostly be a desk job.
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