comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
Laws are made by men and sometimes they need to be challenged. If the law states the airline can eject anyone for any reason (or no reason) then the law needs to be changed and people should resist it.
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I totally agree, but there are more effective ways to challenge laws.
comment by Hod idol the x factor - Mo's posh tin set! (U5117)
posted 5 minutes ago
He became a victim as soon as he was randomly selected not after the physical confrontation.
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Certainly, and it could have ended there if he had followed the rules. I don't agree with all the rules and i certainly don't always follow them, but i never blame anyone but myself if i get caught, and i have been caught.
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 27 minutes ago
In hindsight, we are now all experts on aviation law...
But no doubt the guy, after being offered $800 to leave, was under the impression that it was a choice, not an order.
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It was a choice, to start with. Nobody took that choice so there was then the situation where people HAD to leave. It was done by the luck of the draw. Four people were drawn, three accepted the situation and left, one refused. Once again, once he refused, what should they have done? Just move on to someone who wouldn't refuse?
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Hmmm
Let's see
Knock unconscious an eldery man in front of his wife and drag him off the plane
Or move on to someone who wouldn't refuse
That's a tough one.... 😂
comment by Roy's Keen (U11635)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 27 minutes ago
In hindsight, we are now all experts on aviation law...
But no doubt the guy, after being offered $800 to leave, was under the impression that it was a choice, not an order.
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It was a choice, to start with. Nobody took that choice so there was then the situation where people HAD to leave. It was done by the luck of the draw. Four people were drawn, three accepted the situation and left, one refused. Once again, once he refused, what should they have done? Just move on to someone who wouldn't refuse?
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Hmmm
Let's see
Knock unconscious an eldery man in front of his wife and drag him off the plane
Or move on to someone who wouldn't refuse
That's a tough one.... 😂
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Everyone on the plane had already refused
comment by Roy's Keen (U11635)
Or move on to someone who wouldn't refuse
That's a tough one.... 😂
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yes, because a system where you randomly select 4 people, have one of them refuse, and then move onto another randomly chosen person until you get someone who doesn't refuse is workable?
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comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
Laws are made by men and sometimes they need to be challenged. If the law states the airline can eject anyone for any reason (or no reason) then the law needs to be changed and people should resist it.
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I totally agree, but there are more effective ways to challenge laws.
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I dunno. This incident has brought the law under scrutiny by the general public... well JA606. This Dr has his Rosa Parks moment... maybe a bit overstating it, but you get the idea.
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Not me, o have flown enough internal us flights to be well aware. In fact everyone i visit theresrems to be another stupid rule. But i choose which rules i break and except the consequences. I would not argue with us airline staff, they do not bend, whichever airline they work for.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Roy's Keen (U11635)
Or move on to someone who wouldn't refuse
That's a tough one.... 😂
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yes, because a system where you randomly select 4 people, have one of them refuse, and then move onto another randomly chosen person until you get someone who doesn't refuse is workable?
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Much better then to resort to knocking the heads off people
WTF does it matter for an airline to pay 10K to each of the 4 to get off. It will hardly effect their quarterly.
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Especially when you consider how much this is going to cost them now.
i have pointed out a number of times that, as far as i can work out, airlines are limited by government regulation in the compensation they can offer to 4 x the cost of a single ticket to the destination in question, up to a maximum of $1350.
so if you can get a flight from chicago to st louis for c. $200, then $800 was all they could offer, according to the government's regulation.
i've also said that i have zero idea whether airlines can/do flout this regularly, and if i'm talking c@ck feel free to tell me, but unless told otherwise i will assume that is why the airline didn't just offer 10k.
Irrespective of the above if you allow one set of passengers to hold out for 10k each, then every set of passengers does exactly the same, and refuses to give up their seat unless offered stupid figures. You then end up with a very lengthy and boring game of chicken between airline and passengers, which benefits no one.
In which case the whole system falls down - which may or may not be a problem to people on here of course.
If one airline sets the dangerous precedent of paying 10k to passengers to give up their seats, then consider what it could possibly end up costing them in the long run.
One thing is for certain - you'd get less "no shoes" if people thought they might be offered ten grand for their seat if they turn up...
Might see a cultural change in airlines, insofar as they stop overbooking flights as a general rule.
Unlikely I'd wager.
You'd also get less no shows...
No shoes is just damned inconsiderate, especially on a packed flight in economy class
maybe releasing a disgusting odour would get people to give up their seat,mass exodus
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I wish they would stop charging for suitcases thenaybr there would be space for hand held luggage in the overhead compartments. Also i wish they told me they charged when i bought tickets in the UK the first time i found out about the charge, would have saved an embarrassing discussion with the delta girl at Newark.
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I see the UA CEO has done a very sharp U Turn. I wonder why.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 22 minutes ago
I see the UA CEO has done a very sharp U Turn. I wonder why.
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as an amusing postscript it seems the good doctor had only recently got his medical licence back after losing it for a decade. whilst married with kids he apparently traded prescription drugs for secksual favours with a (male) former patient, so got stuck on probation and struck from the register.
http://nypost.com/2017/04/11/doctor-dragged-off-flight-convicted-of-trading-drugs-for-sex/
I'm sure the security guys knew that when they dragged the guy out.
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The passenger hauled off a United flight is a lung doctor with a taste for gambling, a history of angry outbursts — and a conviction for trading narcotics prescriptions and cash for gay s3x in motels.
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Wouldn't want him on my airline either. Terrible PR...
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posted on 11/4/17
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
Laws are made by men and sometimes they need to be challenged. If the law states the airline can eject anyone for any reason (or no reason) then the law needs to be changed and people should resist it.
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I totally agree, but there are more effective ways to challenge laws.
posted on 11/4/17
comment by Hod idol the x factor - Mo's posh tin set! (U5117)
posted 5 minutes ago
He became a victim as soon as he was randomly selected not after the physical confrontation.
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Certainly, and it could have ended there if he had followed the rules. I don't agree with all the rules and i certainly don't always follow them, but i never blame anyone but myself if i get caught, and i have been caught.
posted on 11/4/17
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 27 minutes ago
In hindsight, we are now all experts on aviation law...
But no doubt the guy, after being offered $800 to leave, was under the impression that it was a choice, not an order.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It was a choice, to start with. Nobody took that choice so there was then the situation where people HAD to leave. It was done by the luck of the draw. Four people were drawn, three accepted the situation and left, one refused. Once again, once he refused, what should they have done? Just move on to someone who wouldn't refuse?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hmmm
Let's see
Knock unconscious an eldery man in front of his wife and drag him off the plane
Or move on to someone who wouldn't refuse
That's a tough one.... 😂
posted on 11/4/17
comment by Roy's Keen (U11635)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - 2017 joy squids (U2958)
posted 27 minutes ago
In hindsight, we are now all experts on aviation law...
But no doubt the guy, after being offered $800 to leave, was under the impression that it was a choice, not an order.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It was a choice, to start with. Nobody took that choice so there was then the situation where people HAD to leave. It was done by the luck of the draw. Four people were drawn, three accepted the situation and left, one refused. Once again, once he refused, what should they have done? Just move on to someone who wouldn't refuse?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hmmm
Let's see
Knock unconscious an eldery man in front of his wife and drag him off the plane
Or move on to someone who wouldn't refuse
That's a tough one.... 😂
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Everyone on the plane had already refused
posted on 11/4/17
comment by Roy's Keen (U11635)
Or move on to someone who wouldn't refuse
That's a tough one.... 😂
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yes, because a system where you randomly select 4 people, have one of them refuse, and then move onto another randomly chosen person until you get someone who doesn't refuse is workable?
posted on 11/4/17
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posted on 11/4/17
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posted on 11/4/17
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Just Shoot (U10408)
posted 3 minutes ago
Laws are made by men and sometimes they need to be challenged. If the law states the airline can eject anyone for any reason (or no reason) then the law needs to be changed and people should resist it.
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I totally agree, but there are more effective ways to challenge laws.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I dunno. This incident has brought the law under scrutiny by the general public... well JA606. This Dr has his Rosa Parks moment... maybe a bit overstating it, but you get the idea.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not me, o have flown enough internal us flights to be well aware. In fact everyone i visit theresrems to be another stupid rule. But i choose which rules i break and except the consequences. I would not argue with us airline staff, they do not bend, whichever airline they work for.
posted on 11/4/17
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Roy's Keen (U11635)
Or move on to someone who wouldn't refuse
That's a tough one.... 😂
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yes, because a system where you randomly select 4 people, have one of them refuse, and then move onto another randomly chosen person until you get someone who doesn't refuse is workable?
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Much better then to resort to knocking the heads off people
posted on 11/4/17
WTF does it matter for an airline to pay 10K to each of the 4 to get off. It will hardly effect their quarterly.
..............
Especially when you consider how much this is going to cost them now.
posted on 11/4/17
i have pointed out a number of times that, as far as i can work out, airlines are limited by government regulation in the compensation they can offer to 4 x the cost of a single ticket to the destination in question, up to a maximum of $1350.
so if you can get a flight from chicago to st louis for c. $200, then $800 was all they could offer, according to the government's regulation.
i've also said that i have zero idea whether airlines can/do flout this regularly, and if i'm talking c@ck feel free to tell me, but unless told otherwise i will assume that is why the airline didn't just offer 10k.
posted on 11/4/17
Irrespective of the above if you allow one set of passengers to hold out for 10k each, then every set of passengers does exactly the same, and refuses to give up their seat unless offered stupid figures. You then end up with a very lengthy and boring game of chicken between airline and passengers, which benefits no one.
In which case the whole system falls down - which may or may not be a problem to people on here of course.
posted on 11/4/17
If one airline sets the dangerous precedent of paying 10k to passengers to give up their seats, then consider what it could possibly end up costing them in the long run.
One thing is for certain - you'd get less "no shoes" if people thought they might be offered ten grand for their seat if they turn up...
Might see a cultural change in airlines, insofar as they stop overbooking flights as a general rule.
Unlikely I'd wager.
posted on 11/4/17
You'd also get less no shows...
No shoes is just damned inconsiderate, especially on a packed flight in economy class
posted on 11/4/17
maybe releasing a disgusting odour would get people to give up their seat,mass exodus
posted on 11/4/17
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posted on 11/4/17
I wish they would stop charging for suitcases thenaybr there would be space for hand held luggage in the overhead compartments. Also i wish they told me they charged when i bought tickets in the UK the first time i found out about the charge, would have saved an embarrassing discussion with the delta girl at Newark.
posted on 11/4/17
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posted on 11/4/17
I see the UA CEO has done a very sharp U Turn. I wonder why.
posted on 11/4/17
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 22 minutes ago
I see the UA CEO has done a very sharp U Turn. I wonder why.
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as an amusing postscript it seems the good doctor had only recently got his medical licence back after losing it for a decade. whilst married with kids he apparently traded prescription drugs for secksual favours with a (male) former patient, so got stuck on probation and struck from the register.
http://nypost.com/2017/04/11/doctor-dragged-off-flight-convicted-of-trading-drugs-for-sex/
posted on 11/4/17
I'm sure the security guys knew that when they dragged the guy out.
posted on 11/4/17
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posted on 12/4/17
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posted on 12/4/17
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posted on 12/4/17
The passenger hauled off a United flight is a lung doctor with a taste for gambling, a history of angry outbursts — and a conviction for trading narcotics prescriptions and cash for gay s3x in motels.
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Wouldn't want him on my airline either. Terrible PR...
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