I'm not even fussed if it's a prem loan tbh somewhere like rangers over in spl would be a good move.
He just need games at a professional level
Always looks good at CM, really don't understand why Poch plays him wide, maybe he doesn't trust him defensively?
He's behind Eriksen, Dembele, Wanyama, Dier and Winks in the pecking order atm so he should be loaned out
There's not much I disagree with about how Poch does things at Spurs. However I completely disagree with him not loaning out promising youngsters. Something about them learning his 'philosophy' by remaining at Spurs and not playing many games.
Kane, Alli and many other players owe their current careers to playing lower league football as a way to learn as youngsters.
comment by Brother_Spur (U20548)
posted 9 minutes ago
There's not much I disagree with about how Poch does things at Spurs. However I completely disagree with him not loaning out promising youngsters. Something about them learning his 'philosophy' by remaining at Spurs and not playing many games.
Kane, Alli and many other players owe their current careers to playing lower league football as a way to learn as youngsters.
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Agree. I understand poch's pov but think he's wrong. Playing regularly against seasoned pros in a decent league with a decent manager is better than a season training with our first team with no game time imo.
Poch said recently that Onomah, KWP and CCV will be a lot more involved next season.
A lot of people rated Winks through our youth set up but it seemed he would never get his chance then all of a sudden he makes the breakthrough and becomes a regular in the matchday 18.
comment by MP's ejército azul y blanco (U5500)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Brother_Spur (U20548)
posted 9 minutes ago
There's not much I disagree with about how Poch does things at Spurs. However I completely disagree with him not loaning out promising youngsters. Something about them learning his 'philosophy' by remaining at Spurs and not playing many games.
Kane, Alli and many other players owe their current careers to playing lower league football as a way to learn as youngsters.
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Agree. I understand poch's pov but think he's wrong. Playing regularly against seasoned pros in a decent league with a decent manager is better than a season training with our first team with no game time imo.
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Completely agree with that. Only so much you can learn from watching others play.
comment by ใ VertongHัะธgั - ERIKSEN SEN SEN (U9129)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
I'm not even fussed if it's a prem loan tbh somewhere like rangers over in spl would be a good move.
He just need games at a professional level
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Rangers would be a great move. Big crowds, big expectation and some real pressure. Perfect.
OK, the standard is not fantastic, but it would hopefully harden him up a bit
So people on here are criticising Poch for not loaning out our best youngsters and keeping them here to train with the first team?
This is a coach who has a fantastic reputation of giving youngsters a chance and developing them.
Espanyol, Southampton and now us are a testament to this. Yet theres some on here that think they know better?
What would Onomah learn form playing with second rate players against second rate teams in Scotland?
Did playing in Scotland benefit Oduwa? They skived him down at every opportunity because he had more skill than them. They will do the same to Onomah no question.
Isnt it better that Onomah learns form Dembele, Wanyama and Eriksen? some of the best in the business.
Poch wants his youngsters to learn our style of play, how to press etc.
So theres people on here saying that KWP, CCV and Onomah should be loaned out even though Poch has publicly stated they will be a lot more involved this season.
Look what happened to Winks, he wasn't loaned out and he has been a revelation.
Lets just be patient and trust that our manager knows more about our youngsters than we do.
I
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino and Lamela (U17539)
posted 10 minutes ago
So people on here are criticising Poch for not loaning out our best youngsters and keeping them here to train with the first team?
This is a coach who has a fantastic reputation of giving youngsters a chance and developing them.
Espanyol, Southampton and now us are a testament to this. Yet theres some on here that think they know better?
What would Onomah learn form playing with second rate players against second rate teams in Scotland?
Did playing in Scotland benefit Oduwa? They skived him down at every opportunity because he had more skill than them. They will do the same to Onomah no question.
Isnt it better that Onomah learns form Dembele, Wanyama and Eriksen? some of the best in the business.
Poch wants his youngsters to learn our style of play, how to press etc.
So theres people on here saying that KWP, CCV and Onomah should be loaned out even though Poch has publicly stated they will be a lot more involved this season.
Look what happened to Winks, he wasn't loaned out and he has been a revelation.
Lets just be patient and trust that our manager knows more about our youngsters than we do.
I
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Good post
I still don't see him getting much game time tho. He's behind Eriksen, Dembele, Wanyama, Dier and Winks in the centre. Minutes on the right wing in the early rounds of the domestic cups are the most I see him getting, unless he really stakes a claim for himself
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino and Lamela (U17539)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
So people on here are criticising Poch for not loaning out our best youngsters and keeping them here to train with the first team?
This is a coach who has a fantastic reputation of giving youngsters a chance and developing them.
Espanyol, Southampton and now us are a testament to this. Yet theres some on here that think they know better?
What would Onomah learn form playing with second rate players against second rate teams in Scotland?
Did playing in Scotland benefit Oduwa? They skived him down at every opportunity because he had more skill than them. They will do the same to Onomah no question.
Isnt it better that Onomah learns form Dembele, Wanyama and Eriksen? some of the best in the business.
Poch wants his youngsters to learn our style of play, how to press etc.
So theres people on here saying that KWP, CCV and Onomah should be loaned out even though Poch has publicly stated they will be a lot more involved this season.
Look what happened to Winks, he wasn't loaned out and he has been a revelation.
Lets just be patient and trust that our manager knows more about our youngsters than we do.
I
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So its taken 2 years for Onomah to learn how to press and to learn our style?
Pretty sure we're not the only team in the country that press so a loan would have been beneficial.
Its not just about pressing. Poch believes he is the best coach to develop these youngsters not some other coach from another team.
The bottom line is Poch has a brilliant record with bringing youngsters through.
My argument is why dont we just trust him, seeing he knows more about the development of our players than people on here who are criticising his methods.
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino and Lamela (U17539)
posted 14 minutes ago
Its not just about pressing. Poch believes he is the best coach to develop these youngsters not some other coach from another team.
The bottom line is Poch has a brilliant record with bringing youngsters through.
My argument is why dont we just trust him, seeing he knows more about the development of our players than people on here who are criticising his methods.
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Well in that case we might as well trust him on everything and anything and never discuss anything he says or does because he knows best.
Well he aint doing a lot wrong at the moment is he?
When was the last time we had a side coached as well as this?
"Well he aint doing a lot wrong at the moment is he?"
So are we allowed to question him or not? Thought it was forbidden but you've opened the door slightly there.
Winks has hardly been a revelation. He had some good cameos appearances but nothing more people are getting far to a head of themselves with him.
Back to Onomah it looks like we are going for another attacking player or maybe two which will bump Onomah down even more.
As for him saying ccv, KWP & Onomah will feature more im pretty sure he said the same about ccv & Onomah last summer and that didn't work out well for them.
Btw about going to the spl it never did Waynama much harm playing there did it
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino a... (U17539)
posted 10 hours, 17 minutes ago
So people on here are criticising Poch for not loaning out our best youngsters and keeping them here to train with the first team?
This is a coach who has a fantastic reputation of giving youngsters a chance and developing them.
Espanyol, Southampton and now us are a testament to this. Yet theres some on here that think they know better?
What would Onomah learn form playing with second rate players against second rate teams in Scotland?
Did playing in Scotland benefit Oduwa? They skived him down at every opportunity because he had more skill than them. They will do the same to Onomah no question.
Isnt it better that Onomah learns form Dembele, Wanyama and Eriksen? some of the best in the business.
Poch wants his youngsters to learn our style of play, how to press etc.
So theres people on here saying that KWP, CCV and Onomah should be loaned out even though Poch has publicly stated they will be a lot more involved this season.
Look what happened to Winks, he wasn't loaned out and he has been a revelation.
Lets just be patient and trust that our manager knows more about our youngsters than we do.
I
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To me it is simple. It is no point having a player train with us, learn Poch's methods, but only make 26 minutes of first team appearances in the PL and Europe. A regression from the season before, and usually out of position.
Training games are good and well, but they are that - training. They are not competitive games with something riding on it.
The standard may be poorer in Scotland for example, and he may well get a few digs (Oduwa was a winger, who was showboating - he will always get more) but it would be regular games, even if to help toughen him up a bit.
He is benefitting now from playing football for England u20s. Who are not Spurs. Who are not coached by Poch.
Poch did not coach Lloris, Rose, Toby, Jan, Walker, Dier Dembele, Wanyama, Eriksen, Son, Alli, Lamela, Kane etc in their formative years, and they are fine with his methods.
Playing in a rougher league did no harm to Alli or Wanyama - they are probably two of our most streetwise players. Nor Walker, or Trippier. Rose. Harry Kane said his loan at Millwall made him a man.
So while I do admire the sentiment behind what Poch says about keeping the players close, not every kid is the same - it may benefit some, but hinder others.
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino a... (U17539)
posted 10 hours, 17 minutes ago
So people on here are criticising Poch for not loaning out our best youngsters and keeping them here to train with the first team?
This is a coach who has a fantastic reputation of giving youngsters a chance and developing them.
Espanyol, Southampton and now us are a testament to this. Yet theres some on here that think they know better?
What would Onomah learn form playing with second rate players against second rate teams in Scotland?
Did playing in Scotland benefit Oduwa? They skived him down at every opportunity because he had more skill than them. They will do the same to Onomah no question.
Isnt it better that Onomah learns form Dembele, Wanyama and Eriksen? some of the best in the business.
Poch wants his youngsters to learn our style of play, how to press etc.
So theres people on here saying that KWP, CCV and Onomah should be loaned out even though Poch has publicly stated they will be a lot more involved this season.
Look what happened to Winks, he wasn't loaned out and he has been a revelation.
Lets just be patient and trust that our manager knows more about our youngsters than we do.
I
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To me it is simple. It is no point having a player train with us, learn Poch's methods, but only make 26 minutes of first team appearances in the PL and Europe. A regression from the season before, and usually out of position.
Training games are good and well, but they are that - training. They are not competitive games with something riding on it.
The standard may be poorer in Scotland for example, and he may well get a few digs (Oduwa was a winger, who was showboating - he will always get more) but it would be regular games, even if to help toughen him up a bit.
He is benefitting now from playing football for England u20s. Who are not Spurs. Who are not coached by Poch.
Poch did not coach Lloris, Rose, Toby, Jan, Walker, Dier Dembele, Wanyama, Eriksen, Son, Alli, Lamela, Kane etc in their formative years, and they are fine with his methods.
Playing in a rougher league did no harm to Alli or Wanyama - they are probably two of our most streetwise players. Nor Walker, or Trippier. Rose. Harry Kane said his loan at Millwall made him a man.
So while I do admire the sentiment behind what Poch says about keeping the players close, not every kid is the same - it may benefit some, but hinder others.
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Well said
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino and Lamela (U17539)
posted 11 hours, 39 minutes ago
Its not just about pressing. Poch believes he is the best coach to develop these youngsters not some other coach from another team.
The bottom line is Poch has a brilliant record with bringing youngsters through.
My argument is why dont we just trust him, seeing he knows more about the development of our players than people on here who are criticising his methods.
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Eh!?
Who is criticising mp?
Disagreeing is not criticism my easily triggered friend. It's a spurs board and people are having and posting a view about loan moves for players. You wanna simmer down chum. Can't be good for the blood pressure!
I don't feel you can compare Oduwa and a potential Onomah loan. Firstly Ranges are in a higher league, Onomah has more talent, is less show-boaty thus will get hacked less, is at a different stage in his development cycle, and plays in a position in which physicality is now key in the PL.
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 5 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino a... (U17539)
posted 10 hours, 17 minutes ago
So people on here are criticising Poch for not loaning out our best youngsters and keeping them here to train with the first team?
This is a coach who has a fantastic reputation of giving youngsters a chance and developing them.
Espanyol, Southampton and now us are a testament to this. Yet theres some on here that think they know better?
What would Onomah learn form playing with second rate players against second rate teams in Scotland?
Did playing in Scotland benefit Oduwa? They skived him down at every opportunity because he had more skill than them. They will do the same to Onomah no question.
Isnt it better that Onomah learns form Dembele, Wanyama and Eriksen? some of the best in the business.
Poch wants his youngsters to learn our style of play, how to press etc.
So theres people on here saying that KWP, CCV and Onomah should be loaned out even though Poch has publicly stated they will be a lot more involved this season.
Look what happened to Winks, he wasn't loaned out and he has been a revelation.
Lets just be patient and trust that our manager knows more about our youngsters than we do.
I
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To me it is simple. It is no point having a player train with us, learn Poch's methods, but only make 26 minutes of first team appearances in the PL and Europe. A regression from the season before, and usually out of position.
Training games are good and well, but they are that - training. They are not competitive games with something riding on it.
The standard may be poorer in Scotland for example, and he may well get a few digs (Oduwa was a winger, who was showboating - he will always get more) but it would be regular games, even if to help toughen him up a bit.
He is benefitting now from playing football for England u20s. Who are not Spurs. Who are not coached by Poch.
Poch did not coach Lloris, Rose, Toby, Jan, Walker, Dier Dembele, Wanyama, Eriksen, Son, Alli, Lamela, Kane etc in their formative years, and they are fine with his methods.
Playing in a rougher league did no harm to Alli or Wanyama - they are probably two of our most streetwise players. Nor Walker, or Trippier. Rose. Harry Kane said his loan at Millwall made him a man.
So while I do admire the sentiment behind what Poch says about keeping the players close, not every kid is the same - it may benefit some, but hinder others.
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"Poch did not coach Lloris, Rose, Toby, Jan, Walker, Dier Dembele, Wanyama, Eriksen, Son, Alli, Lamela, Kane etc in their formative years, and they are fine with his methods. "
To counter that I would also say that every single one of those players has had their games improved under Poch (most massively improved)
When we signed Dele and Dier some on here were saying we should loan them out.
"When we signed Dele and Dier some on here were saying we should loan them out"
Difference with them is that they came into the team as poch was pulling apart Avbs team which left a lot of gaps to fill.
Onomah is trying to break into a team at the top of there game and is struggling to do it.
Obviously we have to trust poch believes he's doing the right thing but it doesn't mean we have to agree with it
Hengy
Every time you disagree with another persons comments you always have to stick that on the end. Its very patronising.
getting offended by a smiley.
Actually maybe I should delete that one ^
comment by Eazy-E(din) (U1109)
posted 3 hours, 13 minutes ago
I don't feel you can compare Oduwa and a potential Onomah loan. Firstly Ranges are in a higher league, Onomah has more talent, is less show-boaty thus will get hacked less, is at a different stage in his development cycle, and plays in a position in which physicality is now key in the PL.
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This kinda got lost in the long replys but is spot on
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posted on 28/5/17
I'm not even fussed if it's a prem loan tbh somewhere like rangers over in spl would be a good move.
He just need games at a professional level
posted on 28/5/17
Always looks good at CM, really don't understand why Poch plays him wide, maybe he doesn't trust him defensively?
He's behind Eriksen, Dembele, Wanyama, Dier and Winks in the pecking order atm so he should be loaned out
posted on 28/5/17
There's not much I disagree with about how Poch does things at Spurs. However I completely disagree with him not loaning out promising youngsters. Something about them learning his 'philosophy' by remaining at Spurs and not playing many games.
Kane, Alli and many other players owe their current careers to playing lower league football as a way to learn as youngsters.
posted on 28/5/17
comment by Brother_Spur (U20548)
posted 9 minutes ago
There's not much I disagree with about how Poch does things at Spurs. However I completely disagree with him not loaning out promising youngsters. Something about them learning his 'philosophy' by remaining at Spurs and not playing many games.
Kane, Alli and many other players owe their current careers to playing lower league football as a way to learn as youngsters.
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Agree. I understand poch's pov but think he's wrong. Playing regularly against seasoned pros in a decent league with a decent manager is better than a season training with our first team with no game time imo.
posted on 28/5/17
Poch said recently that Onomah, KWP and CCV will be a lot more involved next season.
posted on 28/5/17
A lot of people rated Winks through our youth set up but it seemed he would never get his chance then all of a sudden he makes the breakthrough and becomes a regular in the matchday 18.
posted on 28/5/17
comment by MP's ejército azul y blanco (U5500)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Brother_Spur (U20548)
posted 9 minutes ago
There's not much I disagree with about how Poch does things at Spurs. However I completely disagree with him not loaning out promising youngsters. Something about them learning his 'philosophy' by remaining at Spurs and not playing many games.
Kane, Alli and many other players owe their current careers to playing lower league football as a way to learn as youngsters.
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Agree. I understand poch's pov but think he's wrong. Playing regularly against seasoned pros in a decent league with a decent manager is better than a season training with our first team with no game time imo.
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Completely agree with that. Only so much you can learn from watching others play.
posted on 28/5/17
comment by ใ VertongHัะธgั - ERIKSEN SEN SEN (U9129)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
I'm not even fussed if it's a prem loan tbh somewhere like rangers over in spl would be a good move.
He just need games at a professional level
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Rangers would be a great move. Big crowds, big expectation and some real pressure. Perfect.
OK, the standard is not fantastic, but it would hopefully harden him up a bit
posted on 28/5/17
So people on here are criticising Poch for not loaning out our best youngsters and keeping them here to train with the first team?
This is a coach who has a fantastic reputation of giving youngsters a chance and developing them.
Espanyol, Southampton and now us are a testament to this. Yet theres some on here that think they know better?
What would Onomah learn form playing with second rate players against second rate teams in Scotland?
Did playing in Scotland benefit Oduwa? They skived him down at every opportunity because he had more skill than them. They will do the same to Onomah no question.
Isnt it better that Onomah learns form Dembele, Wanyama and Eriksen? some of the best in the business.
Poch wants his youngsters to learn our style of play, how to press etc.
So theres people on here saying that KWP, CCV and Onomah should be loaned out even though Poch has publicly stated they will be a lot more involved this season.
Look what happened to Winks, he wasn't loaned out and he has been a revelation.
Lets just be patient and trust that our manager knows more about our youngsters than we do.
I
posted on 28/5/17
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino and Lamela (U17539)
posted 10 minutes ago
So people on here are criticising Poch for not loaning out our best youngsters and keeping them here to train with the first team?
This is a coach who has a fantastic reputation of giving youngsters a chance and developing them.
Espanyol, Southampton and now us are a testament to this. Yet theres some on here that think they know better?
What would Onomah learn form playing with second rate players against second rate teams in Scotland?
Did playing in Scotland benefit Oduwa? They skived him down at every opportunity because he had more skill than them. They will do the same to Onomah no question.
Isnt it better that Onomah learns form Dembele, Wanyama and Eriksen? some of the best in the business.
Poch wants his youngsters to learn our style of play, how to press etc.
So theres people on here saying that KWP, CCV and Onomah should be loaned out even though Poch has publicly stated they will be a lot more involved this season.
Look what happened to Winks, he wasn't loaned out and he has been a revelation.
Lets just be patient and trust that our manager knows more about our youngsters than we do.
I
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Good post
I still don't see him getting much game time tho. He's behind Eriksen, Dembele, Wanyama, Dier and Winks in the centre. Minutes on the right wing in the early rounds of the domestic cups are the most I see him getting, unless he really stakes a claim for himself
posted on 28/5/17
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino and Lamela (U17539)
posted 1 hour, 24 minutes ago
So people on here are criticising Poch for not loaning out our best youngsters and keeping them here to train with the first team?
This is a coach who has a fantastic reputation of giving youngsters a chance and developing them.
Espanyol, Southampton and now us are a testament to this. Yet theres some on here that think they know better?
What would Onomah learn form playing with second rate players against second rate teams in Scotland?
Did playing in Scotland benefit Oduwa? They skived him down at every opportunity because he had more skill than them. They will do the same to Onomah no question.
Isnt it better that Onomah learns form Dembele, Wanyama and Eriksen? some of the best in the business.
Poch wants his youngsters to learn our style of play, how to press etc.
So theres people on here saying that KWP, CCV and Onomah should be loaned out even though Poch has publicly stated they will be a lot more involved this season.
Look what happened to Winks, he wasn't loaned out and he has been a revelation.
Lets just be patient and trust that our manager knows more about our youngsters than we do.
I
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So its taken 2 years for Onomah to learn how to press and to learn our style?
Pretty sure we're not the only team in the country that press so a loan would have been beneficial.
posted on 28/5/17
Its not just about pressing. Poch believes he is the best coach to develop these youngsters not some other coach from another team.
The bottom line is Poch has a brilliant record with bringing youngsters through.
My argument is why dont we just trust him, seeing he knows more about the development of our players than people on here who are criticising his methods.
posted on 29/5/17
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino and Lamela (U17539)
posted 14 minutes ago
Its not just about pressing. Poch believes he is the best coach to develop these youngsters not some other coach from another team.
The bottom line is Poch has a brilliant record with bringing youngsters through.
My argument is why dont we just trust him, seeing he knows more about the development of our players than people on here who are criticising his methods.
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Well in that case we might as well trust him on everything and anything and never discuss anything he says or does because he knows best.
posted on 29/5/17
Well he aint doing a lot wrong at the moment is he?
When was the last time we had a side coached as well as this?
posted on 29/5/17
"Well he aint doing a lot wrong at the moment is he?"
So are we allowed to question him or not? Thought it was forbidden but you've opened the door slightly there.
posted on 29/5/17
Winks has hardly been a revelation. He had some good cameos appearances but nothing more people are getting far to a head of themselves with him.
Back to Onomah it looks like we are going for another attacking player or maybe two which will bump Onomah down even more.
As for him saying ccv, KWP & Onomah will feature more im pretty sure he said the same about ccv & Onomah last summer and that didn't work out well for them.
Btw about going to the spl it never did Waynama much harm playing there did it
posted on 29/5/17
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino a... (U17539)
posted 10 hours, 17 minutes ago
So people on here are criticising Poch for not loaning out our best youngsters and keeping them here to train with the first team?
This is a coach who has a fantastic reputation of giving youngsters a chance and developing them.
Espanyol, Southampton and now us are a testament to this. Yet theres some on here that think they know better?
What would Onomah learn form playing with second rate players against second rate teams in Scotland?
Did playing in Scotland benefit Oduwa? They skived him down at every opportunity because he had more skill than them. They will do the same to Onomah no question.
Isnt it better that Onomah learns form Dembele, Wanyama and Eriksen? some of the best in the business.
Poch wants his youngsters to learn our style of play, how to press etc.
So theres people on here saying that KWP, CCV and Onomah should be loaned out even though Poch has publicly stated they will be a lot more involved this season.
Look what happened to Winks, he wasn't loaned out and he has been a revelation.
Lets just be patient and trust that our manager knows more about our youngsters than we do.
I
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To me it is simple. It is no point having a player train with us, learn Poch's methods, but only make 26 minutes of first team appearances in the PL and Europe. A regression from the season before, and usually out of position.
Training games are good and well, but they are that - training. They are not competitive games with something riding on it.
The standard may be poorer in Scotland for example, and he may well get a few digs (Oduwa was a winger, who was showboating - he will always get more) but it would be regular games, even if to help toughen him up a bit.
He is benefitting now from playing football for England u20s. Who are not Spurs. Who are not coached by Poch.
Poch did not coach Lloris, Rose, Toby, Jan, Walker, Dier Dembele, Wanyama, Eriksen, Son, Alli, Lamela, Kane etc in their formative years, and they are fine with his methods.
Playing in a rougher league did no harm to Alli or Wanyama - they are probably two of our most streetwise players. Nor Walker, or Trippier. Rose. Harry Kane said his loan at Millwall made him a man.
So while I do admire the sentiment behind what Poch says about keeping the players close, not every kid is the same - it may benefit some, but hinder others.
posted on 29/5/17
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino a... (U17539)
posted 10 hours, 17 minutes ago
So people on here are criticising Poch for not loaning out our best youngsters and keeping them here to train with the first team?
This is a coach who has a fantastic reputation of giving youngsters a chance and developing them.
Espanyol, Southampton and now us are a testament to this. Yet theres some on here that think they know better?
What would Onomah learn form playing with second rate players against second rate teams in Scotland?
Did playing in Scotland benefit Oduwa? They skived him down at every opportunity because he had more skill than them. They will do the same to Onomah no question.
Isnt it better that Onomah learns form Dembele, Wanyama and Eriksen? some of the best in the business.
Poch wants his youngsters to learn our style of play, how to press etc.
So theres people on here saying that KWP, CCV and Onomah should be loaned out even though Poch has publicly stated they will be a lot more involved this season.
Look what happened to Winks, he wasn't loaned out and he has been a revelation.
Lets just be patient and trust that our manager knows more about our youngsters than we do.
I
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To me it is simple. It is no point having a player train with us, learn Poch's methods, but only make 26 minutes of first team appearances in the PL and Europe. A regression from the season before, and usually out of position.
Training games are good and well, but they are that - training. They are not competitive games with something riding on it.
The standard may be poorer in Scotland for example, and he may well get a few digs (Oduwa was a winger, who was showboating - he will always get more) but it would be regular games, even if to help toughen him up a bit.
He is benefitting now from playing football for England u20s. Who are not Spurs. Who are not coached by Poch.
Poch did not coach Lloris, Rose, Toby, Jan, Walker, Dier Dembele, Wanyama, Eriksen, Son, Alli, Lamela, Kane etc in their formative years, and they are fine with his methods.
Playing in a rougher league did no harm to Alli or Wanyama - they are probably two of our most streetwise players. Nor Walker, or Trippier. Rose. Harry Kane said his loan at Millwall made him a man.
So while I do admire the sentiment behind what Poch says about keeping the players close, not every kid is the same - it may benefit some, but hinder others.
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Well said
posted on 29/5/17
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino and Lamela (U17539)
posted 11 hours, 39 minutes ago
Its not just about pressing. Poch believes he is the best coach to develop these youngsters not some other coach from another team.
The bottom line is Poch has a brilliant record with bringing youngsters through.
My argument is why dont we just trust him, seeing he knows more about the development of our players than people on here who are criticising his methods.
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Eh!?
Who is criticising mp?
Disagreeing is not criticism my easily triggered friend. It's a spurs board and people are having and posting a view about loan moves for players. You wanna simmer down chum. Can't be good for the blood pressure!
posted on 29/5/17
I don't feel you can compare Oduwa and a potential Onomah loan. Firstly Ranges are in a higher league, Onomah has more talent, is less show-boaty thus will get hacked less, is at a different stage in his development cycle, and plays in a position in which physicality is now key in the PL.
posted on 29/5/17
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 5 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino a... (U17539)
posted 10 hours, 17 minutes ago
So people on here are criticising Poch for not loaning out our best youngsters and keeping them here to train with the first team?
This is a coach who has a fantastic reputation of giving youngsters a chance and developing them.
Espanyol, Southampton and now us are a testament to this. Yet theres some on here that think they know better?
What would Onomah learn form playing with second rate players against second rate teams in Scotland?
Did playing in Scotland benefit Oduwa? They skived him down at every opportunity because he had more skill than them. They will do the same to Onomah no question.
Isnt it better that Onomah learns form Dembele, Wanyama and Eriksen? some of the best in the business.
Poch wants his youngsters to learn our style of play, how to press etc.
So theres people on here saying that KWP, CCV and Onomah should be loaned out even though Poch has publicly stated they will be a lot more involved this season.
Look what happened to Winks, he wasn't loaned out and he has been a revelation.
Lets just be patient and trust that our manager knows more about our youngsters than we do.
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To me it is simple. It is no point having a player train with us, learn Poch's methods, but only make 26 minutes of first team appearances in the PL and Europe. A regression from the season before, and usually out of position.
Training games are good and well, but they are that - training. They are not competitive games with something riding on it.
The standard may be poorer in Scotland for example, and he may well get a few digs (Oduwa was a winger, who was showboating - he will always get more) but it would be regular games, even if to help toughen him up a bit.
He is benefitting now from playing football for England u20s. Who are not Spurs. Who are not coached by Poch.
Poch did not coach Lloris, Rose, Toby, Jan, Walker, Dier Dembele, Wanyama, Eriksen, Son, Alli, Lamela, Kane etc in their formative years, and they are fine with his methods.
Playing in a rougher league did no harm to Alli or Wanyama - they are probably two of our most streetwise players. Nor Walker, or Trippier. Rose. Harry Kane said his loan at Millwall made him a man.
So while I do admire the sentiment behind what Poch says about keeping the players close, not every kid is the same - it may benefit some, but hinder others.
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"Poch did not coach Lloris, Rose, Toby, Jan, Walker, Dier Dembele, Wanyama, Eriksen, Son, Alli, Lamela, Kane etc in their formative years, and they are fine with his methods. "
To counter that I would also say that every single one of those players has had their games improved under Poch (most massively improved)
When we signed Dele and Dier some on here were saying we should loan them out.
posted on 29/5/17
"When we signed Dele and Dier some on here were saying we should loan them out"
Difference with them is that they came into the team as poch was pulling apart Avbs team which left a lot of gaps to fill.
Onomah is trying to break into a team at the top of there game and is struggling to do it.
Obviously we have to trust poch believes he's doing the right thing but it doesn't mean we have to agree with it
posted on 29/5/17
Hengy
Every time you disagree with another persons comments you always have to stick that on the end. Its very patronising.
posted on 29/5/17
getting offended by a smiley.
Actually maybe I should delete that one ^
posted on 29/5/17
comment by Eazy-E(din) (U1109)
posted 3 hours, 13 minutes ago
I don't feel you can compare Oduwa and a potential Onomah loan. Firstly Ranges are in a higher league, Onomah has more talent, is less show-boaty thus will get hacked less, is at a different stage in his development cycle, and plays in a position in which physicality is now key in the PL.
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This kinda got lost in the long replys but is spot on
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