"Poch did not coach Lloris, Rose, Toby, Jan, Walker, Dier Dembele, Wanyama, Eriksen, Son, Alli, Lamela, Kane etc in their formative years, and they are fine with his methods. "
To counter that I would also say that every single one of those players has had their games improved under Poch (most massively improved)
When we signed Dele and Dier some on here were saying we should loan them out.
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Not many of us thought Alli was going to be anything more than a squad option at the time, it made perfect sense to say a loan may be best for him.
Once he broke in the side and got his chamce, it was clear that was not the best course.
Onomah broke in to the side the very same season, yet had a fraction of the impact. Even less so this time around.
As it turns out, what probably prepared Alli for elbowing his way in our XI was his apprenticeship playing mens football at a lower level. He was phyisically prepared, whereas Onomah still looks fragile.
Hengy
Ok then, apart from learning how to tackle what would Onomah learn at Rangers. Which player would he look up to in the Rangers dressing room and think he is someone I want to learn from? That Rangers player could help my game?
Which coach in Scotland is better than Pochetinno?
The technique and skill in Scotland is second rate.
Poch recently stated that He had high hopes for young Kaziah Sterling and wouldn't be loaning him out.
He said that Kaziah would be training every day with Harry Kane and that there isn't a better teacher for him.
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 8 minutes ago
"Poch did not coach Lloris, Rose, Toby, Jan, Walker, Dier Dembele, Wanyama, Eriksen, Son, Alli, Lamela, Kane etc in their formative years, and they are fine with his methods. "
To counter that I would also say that every single one of those players has had their games improved under Poch (most massively improved)
When we signed Dele and Dier some on here were saying we should loan them out.
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Not many of us thought Alli was going to be anything more than a squad option at the time, it made perfect sense to say a loan may be best for him.
Once he broke in the side and got his chamce, it was clear that was not the best course.
Onomah broke in to the side the very same season, yet had a fraction of the impact. Even less so this time around.
As it turns out, what probably prepared Alli for elbowing his way in our XI was his apprenticeship playing mens football at a lower level. He was phyisically prepared, whereas Onomah still looks fragile.
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This is my argument, "Not many of us thought alli would be more than a squad option at the time". Poch did and he gave him his debut at Old Trafford first game of the season after he joined. The rest is history.
We signed him ahead of Liverpool because Liverpool saw him as a squad signing rather than first teamer. Poch gave him his chance, believed in him more than others and developed him.
He didn't stick him in the development squad or loan him back out he said your good enough right now.
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino and Lamela (U17539)
posted 2 minutes ago
Hengy
Ok then, apart from learning how to tackle what would Onomah learn at Rangers. Which player would he look up to in the Rangers dressing room and think he is someone I want to learn from? That Rangers player could help my game?
Which coach in Scotland is better than Pochetinno?
The technique and skill in Scotland is second rate.
Poch recently stated that He had high hopes for young Kaziah Sterling and wouldn't be loaning him out.
He said that Kaziah would be training every day with Harry Kane and that there isn't a better teacher for him.
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If you read my post I said it wouldn't necessarily have to be a prem loan and just naked rangers as a possible destination not the one he had to go to.
What would he learn is pretty easy he'd learn what football is like at a professional level something he's not getting at Spurs.
As for your coach comment it's laughable as is Karl Robinson a better coach than poch? He was the one who developed Dele to be ready for the step up.
Also as for training with better players yes that's a great thing for the kids but they get to a point where they need games.
If Onomah stays here next season and doesn't get many minutes what next for him?
The same applied to Eric Dier, when others were saying he would go straight into the development squad.
Dier made his debut against West Ham away, scored the winner and became a first team and England regular ever since.
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino a... (U17539)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 8 minutes ago
"Poch did not coach Lloris, Rose, Toby, Jan, Walker, Dier Dembele, Wanyama, Eriksen, Son, Alli, Lamela, Kane etc in their formative years, and they are fine with his methods. "
To counter that I would also say that every single one of those players has had their games improved under Poch (most massively improved)
When we signed Dele and Dier some on here were saying we should loan them out.
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Not many of us thought Alli was going to be anything more than a squad option at the time, it made perfect sense to say a loan may be best for him.
Once he broke in the side and got his chamce, it was clear that was not the best course.
Onomah broke in to the side the very same season, yet had a fraction of the impact. Even less so this time around.
As it turns out, what probably prepared Alli for elbowing his way in our XI was his apprenticeship playing mens football at a lower level. He was phyisically prepared, whereas Onomah still looks fragile.
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This is my argument, "Not many of us thought alli would be more than a squad option at the time". Poch did and he gave him his debut at Old Trafford first game of the season after he joined. The rest is history.
We signed him ahead of Liverpool because Liverpool saw him as a squad signing rather than first teamer. Poch gave him his chance, believed in him more than others and developed him.
He didn't stick him in the development squad or loan him back out he said your good enough right now.
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Bit Onomah has had chances, and been around the squad for 2yrs. He is not a new signing.
What the boy needs is games against men, at whatever level, because at present he does not look physically ready to compete with PL midfielders
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino a... (U17539)
posted 1 minute ago
The same applied to Eric Dier, when others were saying he would go straight into the development squad.
Dier made his debut against West Ham away, scored the winner and became a first team and England regular ever since.
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It was only LLM saying that I am sure. Nobody else knew much about him.
Bear in mind Onomah is a single year younger than Alli. When at Onomah's age, Alli was starting for England at the Euros off the back of a great debut season, where he had the physical ability to look after himself because of playing in the lower leagues, to go with his talent.
Onomah has the talent, but is lacking the streetsmarts it seems
Karl Robinson did a great job in developing Dele, that there is no doubt but under Poch he has gone up a whole different level.
I agree about Onomah if he goes another season with hardly any game time then it is a big concern for the lad but the same things were said about Winks.
Many were worried about his development.
As I mentioned earlier, Poch has stated that KWP, CCV and Onomah will get a lot more games next season.
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino and Lamela (U17539)
posted 3 minutes ago
The same applied to Eric Dier, when others were saying he would go straight into the development squad.
Dier made his debut against West Ham away, scored the winner and became a first team and England regular ever since.
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Again he came into a team that was being dismantled and therefore was easy to be given a chance.
Onomah is trying to break through the current 2nd best team in the league and can't do it and it's only going to get tougher if we bring in another player this season.
Poch might say that but ATM he's behind Waynama, Dembele, Winks & Dier for CM position and we've seen he's not good as a attacker.
Plus any new players coming in will go ahead of him.
Also let's not forget Sissoko came on head of him a lot which goes to show just how far behind he actually is.
Any pointless continuing really as I think everything has been said now
I'm pretty sure Kane said that his loan spells - particularly at Millwall - helped him become a man. He got regular exposure to first team football and learnt things you can only pick up in-game rather than training or watching from the stands.
Oh wait; he wasn't always coached by Poch so I'm guessing that 3 consecutive 20+ goal seasons would have surely been nearer the 30+ marks all round had he not ever been loaned out ever and had always been coached at Spurs
Millwall was hardly making the Harry Kane was it?
Lets get real here. Going to Millwall wasn't the making of him really.
After his loan at Millwall, he spent 6 months at Norwich and made 2 appearances then 6 months at Leicester where he made the grand total of 5 appearances.
He came back to Spurs and spent a season in the wilderness before Poch came along and gave him his chance and he became a regular.
Kane was nowhere until Poch came along, who were predicting that Kane would be where he is now back then?
Poch didn't loan Kane out, he said right your staying here, I believe in you and were going to help develop your game.
Before Poch came along Kane wasn't exactly pulling up any trees out on loan was he? Is there a MIlwall fan that would have said that he would be almost a 1 in 1 striker now?
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/millwall-turned-me-a-man-kane-recalls-loan-spell
"My loan at Millwall was a big part of my development," said the in-form Kane, who has scored eight goals in his last four matches.
"I was 18, we were in a relegation battle and it turned me into a man. I played in difficult, high-pressure games and I managed to come out of it positively.
Read more at https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/millwall-turned-me-a-man-kane-recalls-loan-spell#AWUktI4YgFzRqvGF.99
"He came back to Spurs and spent a season in the wilderness before Poch came along and gave him his chance and he became a regular.
Kane was nowhere until Poch came along, who were predicting that Kane would be where he is now back then?"
Not entirely true he played 19 times for us the season before poch came scoring 4 times so already broke though into the first team squad ( basically what Winks done this season )
If we had loaned out Dele and Dier when they arrived at the club would their careers have taken off as well as they have done here if out on loan?
In recent times can anyone think of a player Spurs loaned out that benefited his career?
How many times have we loaned out players who hardly ever got played?
Was Marcus Rashford ever loaned out? Young Tom Davies at Everton?
What has the loan system done to the careers of all these excellent young Chelsea and Man City players?
Tammy Abraham fantastic talent, wasted out on loan.
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 16 minutes ago
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/millwall-turned-me-a-man-kane-recalls-loan-spell
"My loan at Millwall was a big part of my development," said the in-form Kane, who has scored eight goals in his last four matches.
"I was 18, we were in a relegation battle and it turned me into a man. I played in difficult, high-pressure games and I managed to come out of it positively.
Read more at https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/millwall-turned-me-a-man-kane-recalls-loan-spell#AWUktI4YgFzRqvGF.99
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Thanks for finding the quotes, couldn't be bothered to look as I was watching Chelsea loanee Izzy Brown play for Huddersfield in the championship play off final.
So apparently loans are useless, even when a player says it was beneficial to him....
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino and Lamela (U17539)
posted 6 minutes ago
If we had loaned out Dele and Dier when they arrived at the club would their careers have taken off as well as they have done here if out on loan?
In recent times can anyone think of a player Spurs loaned out that benefited his career?
How many times have we loaned out players who hardly ever got played?
Was Marcus Rashford ever loaned out? Young Tom Davies at Everton?
What has the loan system done to the careers of all these excellent young Chelsea and Man City players?
Tammy Abraham fantastic talent, wasted out on loan.
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All those players you've mentioned are younger than Onomah and haven't had a stagnated or stuttering path into the first team.
As for Abraham, he's scored 26 in 48 for Bristol City this season. "Wasted out on loan"
comment by ツ VertongHєиgу (U9129)
posted 9 minutes ago
"He came back to Spurs and spent a season in the wilderness before Poch came along and gave him his chance and he became a regular.
Kane was nowhere until Poch came along, who were predicting that Kane would be where he is now back then?"
Not entirely true he played 19 times for us the season before poch came scoring 4 times so already broke though into the first team squad ( basically what Winks done this season )
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Not many of those 19 games were starting though.
Next season Poch joins the club and Kane makes another 31 appearances and scores 31 goals, wins young player of the year.
comment by Ledders The King - Football Manager Icon. (U20121)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino and Lamela (U17539)
posted 6 minutes ago
If we had loaned out Dele and Dier when they arrived at the club would their careers have taken off as well as they have done here if out on loan?
In recent times can anyone think of a player Spurs loaned out that benefited his career?
How many times have we loaned out players who hardly ever got played?
Was Marcus Rashford ever loaned out? Young Tom Davies at Everton?
What has the loan system done to the careers of all these excellent young Chelsea and Man City players?
Tammy Abraham fantastic talent, wasted out on loan.
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All those players you've mentioned are younger than Onomah and haven't had a stagnated or stuttering path into the first team.
As for Abraham, he's scored 26 in 48 for Bristol City this season. "Wasted out on loan"
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Abraham should be a premier league regular not playing for a side fighting relegation in the championship. His career has stagnated he should be playing at a higher level.
Look at it this way, some of the greatest managers for developing young talent in premier league history, SAF and Wenger, used loans effectively to develop talent in their sides. Poch isn't completely faultless we are allowed to make criticisms. What Onomah seems to need to work on his confidence and in-game composure. Personally I would like Bournemouth as they are a good footballing side with an English core.
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino and Lamela (U17539)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Ledders The King - Football Manager Icon. (U20121)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino and Lamela (U17539)
posted 6 minutes ago
If we had loaned out Dele and Dier when they arrived at the club would their careers have taken off as well as they have done here if out on loan?
In recent times can anyone think of a player Spurs loaned out that benefited his career?
How many times have we loaned out players who hardly ever got played?
Was Marcus Rashford ever loaned out? Young Tom Davies at Everton?
What has the loan system done to the careers of all these excellent young Chelsea and Man City players?
Tammy Abraham fantastic talent, wasted out on loan.
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All those players you've mentioned are younger than Onomah and haven't had a stagnated or stuttering path into the first team.
As for Abraham, he's scored 26 in 48 for Bristol City this season. "Wasted out on loan"
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Abraham should be a premier league regular not playing for a side fighting relegation in the championship. His career has stagnated he should be playing at a higher level.
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So how on earth would he showcase what he's got by being sat in the stands at Chelsea watching Batschuayi watching Diego Costa?
Dier and Dele are shocking examples though. Both players already have had loan moves or played at smaller sides for their own development. Which is what Onomah needs.
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino and Lamela (U17539)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by ツ VertongHєиgу (U9129)
posted 9 minutes ago
"He came back to Spurs and spent a season in the wilderness before Poch came along and gave him his chance and he became a regular.
Kane was nowhere until Poch came along, who were predicting that Kane would be where he is now back then?"
Not entirely true he played 19 times for us the season before poch came scoring 4 times so already broke though into the first team squad ( basically what Winks done this season )
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Not many of those 19 games were starting though.
Next season Poch joins the club and Kane makes another 31 appearances and scores 31 goals, wins young player of the year.
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8 starts with with 6 being the last 6 games of the season scoring 3 goals.
Poch def bought his game on but to say Kane was no where isn't true.
I was laughed off this board when I wrote an article at the start of the season stating that Spurs would comfortably finish top four this season.
I believed we had players and a coach as good as if not better than what the two Manchester clubs and Liverpool were bringing in.
Your like a pack of wolves all ganging up.
I really hope I'm proved right again.
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posted on 29/5/17
"Poch did not coach Lloris, Rose, Toby, Jan, Walker, Dier Dembele, Wanyama, Eriksen, Son, Alli, Lamela, Kane etc in their formative years, and they are fine with his methods. "
To counter that I would also say that every single one of those players has had their games improved under Poch (most massively improved)
When we signed Dele and Dier some on here were saying we should loan them out.
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Not many of us thought Alli was going to be anything more than a squad option at the time, it made perfect sense to say a loan may be best for him.
Once he broke in the side and got his chamce, it was clear that was not the best course.
Onomah broke in to the side the very same season, yet had a fraction of the impact. Even less so this time around.
As it turns out, what probably prepared Alli for elbowing his way in our XI was his apprenticeship playing mens football at a lower level. He was phyisically prepared, whereas Onomah still looks fragile.
posted on 29/5/17
Hengy
Ok then, apart from learning how to tackle what would Onomah learn at Rangers. Which player would he look up to in the Rangers dressing room and think he is someone I want to learn from? That Rangers player could help my game?
Which coach in Scotland is better than Pochetinno?
The technique and skill in Scotland is second rate.
Poch recently stated that He had high hopes for young Kaziah Sterling and wouldn't be loaning him out.
He said that Kaziah would be training every day with Harry Kane and that there isn't a better teacher for him.
posted on 29/5/17
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 8 minutes ago
"Poch did not coach Lloris, Rose, Toby, Jan, Walker, Dier Dembele, Wanyama, Eriksen, Son, Alli, Lamela, Kane etc in their formative years, and they are fine with his methods. "
To counter that I would also say that every single one of those players has had their games improved under Poch (most massively improved)
When we signed Dele and Dier some on here were saying we should loan them out.
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Not many of us thought Alli was going to be anything more than a squad option at the time, it made perfect sense to say a loan may be best for him.
Once he broke in the side and got his chamce, it was clear that was not the best course.
Onomah broke in to the side the very same season, yet had a fraction of the impact. Even less so this time around.
As it turns out, what probably prepared Alli for elbowing his way in our XI was his apprenticeship playing mens football at a lower level. He was phyisically prepared, whereas Onomah still looks fragile.
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This is my argument, "Not many of us thought alli would be more than a squad option at the time". Poch did and he gave him his debut at Old Trafford first game of the season after he joined. The rest is history.
We signed him ahead of Liverpool because Liverpool saw him as a squad signing rather than first teamer. Poch gave him his chance, believed in him more than others and developed him.
He didn't stick him in the development squad or loan him back out he said your good enough right now.
posted on 29/5/17
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino and Lamela (U17539)
posted 2 minutes ago
Hengy
Ok then, apart from learning how to tackle what would Onomah learn at Rangers. Which player would he look up to in the Rangers dressing room and think he is someone I want to learn from? That Rangers player could help my game?
Which coach in Scotland is better than Pochetinno?
The technique and skill in Scotland is second rate.
Poch recently stated that He had high hopes for young Kaziah Sterling and wouldn't be loaning him out.
He said that Kaziah would be training every day with Harry Kane and that there isn't a better teacher for him.
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If you read my post I said it wouldn't necessarily have to be a prem loan and just naked rangers as a possible destination not the one he had to go to.
What would he learn is pretty easy he'd learn what football is like at a professional level something he's not getting at Spurs.
As for your coach comment it's laughable as is Karl Robinson a better coach than poch? He was the one who developed Dele to be ready for the step up.
Also as for training with better players yes that's a great thing for the kids but they get to a point where they need games.
If Onomah stays here next season and doesn't get many minutes what next for him?
posted on 29/5/17
Naked = Named *
posted on 29/5/17
The same applied to Eric Dier, when others were saying he would go straight into the development squad.
Dier made his debut against West Ham away, scored the winner and became a first team and England regular ever since.
posted on 29/5/17
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino a... (U17539)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 8 minutes ago
"Poch did not coach Lloris, Rose, Toby, Jan, Walker, Dier Dembele, Wanyama, Eriksen, Son, Alli, Lamela, Kane etc in their formative years, and they are fine with his methods. "
To counter that I would also say that every single one of those players has had their games improved under Poch (most massively improved)
When we signed Dele and Dier some on here were saying we should loan them out.
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Not many of us thought Alli was going to be anything more than a squad option at the time, it made perfect sense to say a loan may be best for him.
Once he broke in the side and got his chamce, it was clear that was not the best course.
Onomah broke in to the side the very same season, yet had a fraction of the impact. Even less so this time around.
As it turns out, what probably prepared Alli for elbowing his way in our XI was his apprenticeship playing mens football at a lower level. He was phyisically prepared, whereas Onomah still looks fragile.
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This is my argument, "Not many of us thought alli would be more than a squad option at the time". Poch did and he gave him his debut at Old Trafford first game of the season after he joined. The rest is history.
We signed him ahead of Liverpool because Liverpool saw him as a squad signing rather than first teamer. Poch gave him his chance, believed in him more than others and developed him.
He didn't stick him in the development squad or loan him back out he said your good enough right now.
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Bit Onomah has had chances, and been around the squad for 2yrs. He is not a new signing.
What the boy needs is games against men, at whatever level, because at present he does not look physically ready to compete with PL midfielders
posted on 29/5/17
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino a... (U17539)
posted 1 minute ago
The same applied to Eric Dier, when others were saying he would go straight into the development squad.
Dier made his debut against West Ham away, scored the winner and became a first team and England regular ever since.
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It was only LLM saying that I am sure. Nobody else knew much about him.
Bear in mind Onomah is a single year younger than Alli. When at Onomah's age, Alli was starting for England at the Euros off the back of a great debut season, where he had the physical ability to look after himself because of playing in the lower leagues, to go with his talent.
Onomah has the talent, but is lacking the streetsmarts it seems
posted on 29/5/17
Karl Robinson did a great job in developing Dele, that there is no doubt but under Poch he has gone up a whole different level.
I agree about Onomah if he goes another season with hardly any game time then it is a big concern for the lad but the same things were said about Winks.
Many were worried about his development.
As I mentioned earlier, Poch has stated that KWP, CCV and Onomah will get a lot more games next season.
posted on 29/5/17
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino and Lamela (U17539)
posted 3 minutes ago
The same applied to Eric Dier, when others were saying he would go straight into the development squad.
Dier made his debut against West Ham away, scored the winner and became a first team and England regular ever since.
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Again he came into a team that was being dismantled and therefore was easy to be given a chance.
Onomah is trying to break through the current 2nd best team in the league and can't do it and it's only going to get tougher if we bring in another player this season.
posted on 29/5/17
Poch might say that but ATM he's behind Waynama, Dembele, Winks & Dier for CM position and we've seen he's not good as a attacker.
Plus any new players coming in will go ahead of him.
Also let's not forget Sissoko came on head of him a lot which goes to show just how far behind he actually is.
Any pointless continuing really as I think everything has been said now
posted on 29/5/17
I'm pretty sure Kane said that his loan spells - particularly at Millwall - helped him become a man. He got regular exposure to first team football and learnt things you can only pick up in-game rather than training or watching from the stands.
Oh wait; he wasn't always coached by Poch so I'm guessing that 3 consecutive 20+ goal seasons would have surely been nearer the 30+ marks all round had he not ever been loaned out ever and had always been coached at Spurs
posted on 29/5/17
Millwall was hardly making the Harry Kane was it?
Lets get real here. Going to Millwall wasn't the making of him really.
After his loan at Millwall, he spent 6 months at Norwich and made 2 appearances then 6 months at Leicester where he made the grand total of 5 appearances.
He came back to Spurs and spent a season in the wilderness before Poch came along and gave him his chance and he became a regular.
Kane was nowhere until Poch came along, who were predicting that Kane would be where he is now back then?
Poch didn't loan Kane out, he said right your staying here, I believe in you and were going to help develop your game.
Before Poch came along Kane wasn't exactly pulling up any trees out on loan was he? Is there a MIlwall fan that would have said that he would be almost a 1 in 1 striker now?
posted on 29/5/17
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/millwall-turned-me-a-man-kane-recalls-loan-spell
"My loan at Millwall was a big part of my development," said the in-form Kane, who has scored eight goals in his last four matches.
"I was 18, we were in a relegation battle and it turned me into a man. I played in difficult, high-pressure games and I managed to come out of it positively.
Read more at https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/millwall-turned-me-a-man-kane-recalls-loan-spell#AWUktI4YgFzRqvGF.99
posted on 29/5/17
"He came back to Spurs and spent a season in the wilderness before Poch came along and gave him his chance and he became a regular.
Kane was nowhere until Poch came along, who were predicting that Kane would be where he is now back then?"
Not entirely true he played 19 times for us the season before poch came scoring 4 times so already broke though into the first team squad ( basically what Winks done this season )
posted on 29/5/17
If we had loaned out Dele and Dier when they arrived at the club would their careers have taken off as well as they have done here if out on loan?
In recent times can anyone think of a player Spurs loaned out that benefited his career?
How many times have we loaned out players who hardly ever got played?
Was Marcus Rashford ever loaned out? Young Tom Davies at Everton?
What has the loan system done to the careers of all these excellent young Chelsea and Man City players?
Tammy Abraham fantastic talent, wasted out on loan.
posted on 29/5/17
comment by HRH King Ledley (U20095)
posted 16 minutes ago
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/millwall-turned-me-a-man-kane-recalls-loan-spell
"My loan at Millwall was a big part of my development," said the in-form Kane, who has scored eight goals in his last four matches.
"I was 18, we were in a relegation battle and it turned me into a man. I played in difficult, high-pressure games and I managed to come out of it positively.
Read more at https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/millwall-turned-me-a-man-kane-recalls-loan-spell#AWUktI4YgFzRqvGF.99
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Thanks for finding the quotes, couldn't be bothered to look as I was watching Chelsea loanee Izzy Brown play for Huddersfield in the championship play off final.
So apparently loans are useless, even when a player says it was beneficial to him....
posted on 29/5/17
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino and Lamela (U17539)
posted 6 minutes ago
If we had loaned out Dele and Dier when they arrived at the club would their careers have taken off as well as they have done here if out on loan?
In recent times can anyone think of a player Spurs loaned out that benefited his career?
How many times have we loaned out players who hardly ever got played?
Was Marcus Rashford ever loaned out? Young Tom Davies at Everton?
What has the loan system done to the careers of all these excellent young Chelsea and Man City players?
Tammy Abraham fantastic talent, wasted out on loan.
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All those players you've mentioned are younger than Onomah and haven't had a stagnated or stuttering path into the first team.
As for Abraham, he's scored 26 in 48 for Bristol City this season. "Wasted out on loan"
posted on 29/5/17
comment by ツ VertongHєиgу (U9129)
posted 9 minutes ago
"He came back to Spurs and spent a season in the wilderness before Poch came along and gave him his chance and he became a regular.
Kane was nowhere until Poch came along, who were predicting that Kane would be where he is now back then?"
Not entirely true he played 19 times for us the season before poch came scoring 4 times so already broke though into the first team squad ( basically what Winks done this season )
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Not many of those 19 games were starting though.
Next season Poch joins the club and Kane makes another 31 appearances and scores 31 goals, wins young player of the year.
posted on 29/5/17
comment by Ledders The King - Football Manager Icon. (U20121)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino and Lamela (U17539)
posted 6 minutes ago
If we had loaned out Dele and Dier when they arrived at the club would their careers have taken off as well as they have done here if out on loan?
In recent times can anyone think of a player Spurs loaned out that benefited his career?
How many times have we loaned out players who hardly ever got played?
Was Marcus Rashford ever loaned out? Young Tom Davies at Everton?
What has the loan system done to the careers of all these excellent young Chelsea and Man City players?
Tammy Abraham fantastic talent, wasted out on loan.
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All those players you've mentioned are younger than Onomah and haven't had a stagnated or stuttering path into the first team.
As for Abraham, he's scored 26 in 48 for Bristol City this season. "Wasted out on loan"
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Abraham should be a premier league regular not playing for a side fighting relegation in the championship. His career has stagnated he should be playing at a higher level.
posted on 29/5/17
Look at it this way, some of the greatest managers for developing young talent in premier league history, SAF and Wenger, used loans effectively to develop talent in their sides. Poch isn't completely faultless we are allowed to make criticisms. What Onomah seems to need to work on his confidence and in-game composure. Personally I would like Bournemouth as they are a good footballing side with an English core.
posted on 29/5/17
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino and Lamela (U17539)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Ledders The King - Football Manager Icon. (U20121)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino and Lamela (U17539)
posted 6 minutes ago
If we had loaned out Dele and Dier when they arrived at the club would their careers have taken off as well as they have done here if out on loan?
In recent times can anyone think of a player Spurs loaned out that benefited his career?
How many times have we loaned out players who hardly ever got played?
Was Marcus Rashford ever loaned out? Young Tom Davies at Everton?
What has the loan system done to the careers of all these excellent young Chelsea and Man City players?
Tammy Abraham fantastic talent, wasted out on loan.
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All those players you've mentioned are younger than Onomah and haven't had a stagnated or stuttering path into the first team.
As for Abraham, he's scored 26 in 48 for Bristol City this season. "Wasted out on loan"
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Abraham should be a premier league regular not playing for a side fighting relegation in the championship. His career has stagnated he should be playing at a higher level.
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So how on earth would he showcase what he's got by being sat in the stands at Chelsea watching Batschuayi watching Diego Costa?
posted on 29/5/17
Dier and Dele are shocking examples though. Both players already have had loan moves or played at smaller sides for their own development. Which is what Onomah needs.
posted on 29/5/17
comment by Dont cry for me Argentina we have pochettino and Lamela (U17539)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by ツ VertongHєиgу (U9129)
posted 9 minutes ago
"He came back to Spurs and spent a season in the wilderness before Poch came along and gave him his chance and he became a regular.
Kane was nowhere until Poch came along, who were predicting that Kane would be where he is now back then?"
Not entirely true he played 19 times for us the season before poch came scoring 4 times so already broke though into the first team squad ( basically what Winks done this season )
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Not many of those 19 games were starting though.
Next season Poch joins the club and Kane makes another 31 appearances and scores 31 goals, wins young player of the year.
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8 starts with with 6 being the last 6 games of the season scoring 3 goals.
Poch def bought his game on but to say Kane was no where isn't true.
posted on 29/5/17
I was laughed off this board when I wrote an article at the start of the season stating that Spurs would comfortably finish top four this season.
I believed we had players and a coach as good as if not better than what the two Manchester clubs and Liverpool were bringing in.
Your like a pack of wolves all ganging up.
I really hope I'm proved right again.
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