If this guys observations are correct and there's a lot of logic in his comments, what an appallingly disrespectful way to treat Monk. I would expect nothing else from Cellino, as he has acted this way with McDermott, Redfearn and Evans, but I had Radrizzani down as being more professional. I do wonder if the uncertainty has contributed to recent results!
We talked about it a few weeks ago Eddie
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/366188
I always look at the actual quotes and wirds being used and it was clear there was no contact and Monk frustrated.
Internal comma with head coaches hasn't been good at the club the last few years, one can't help but wonder what we could achieve if all really pulling together.
But other reports in Yorkshire Post have Monk quoted as saying he's okay in waiting for talks to take place in June - as originally stated. Seems to be a story to drag up uncertainty and column inches. It may be true, I it may not. You could also read it that the club are letting the manager get on with it and not interfering - as they've been historically & perpetually accused of.
Vof
You obviously haven't watched monk interviews
Liw .......... I've read the Monk interview in YP before replying.
I can see areas for concern, but also read some parts where he (GM) doesn't seem overly worried. His focus is more on next 2 games.
Some links I can't open because of firewalls. ...... but I can open the YEP and can read the contents.
You can pick your story and angle depending on what you hear/read, and your perception of it.
You didn't read what I put
I said watched.
Over the last few months
Yep - seen lots of interviews.
Maybe I did misread your post - still not sure why you feel you have to be conceited with your reply.
I've not been able to use the link provided by Jonty - so without that, and using Eddie/Jonty responses, I've checked out what's been said in the press. I've read a piece by Lee Sobot in YP to see what the latest is on GM - hence my response, based on reading that.
No abuse, not with wise cracks, just a different source of news where after reading it, I offered a different view.
That's discussion and debate - I really can't be bothered getting into a wise aaarse teet for tat ...............
Am not getting into t@t for tat
But it clear by his interviews, that all is not well.
And would you be happy, if in your job, you hadn't a clue if you was still going to be in a job in two months times.
Loads of times in football, you hear one party saying, we do not want to distract from the season, so discussions will take place end of season.
And every time it's completely bull, one side just doesn't want to discuss it for whatever reason.
He took the job on the basis of 12 months, with the option of an extension at the end of it. He knows as well as anyone that his stock is high, he knows he'll walk into another job pretty quickly - so no I'd imagine he's pretty calm actually in that respect. I'd argue he holds more aces than the club. I'm not saying it's right, I'm not saying it's ideal - but Rad may have a really good reason that he's keeping his powder dry with this. There's just speculation, perhaps rightly. Everyone is concerned and maybe with good reason.
Don't doubt for a second that I want nothing more than everything clarifying. I've argued for weeks that what the club needs is stability - across the club, not just the coach/manager. The nutcase needs to be bought out and hopefully some common sense brought to the running of the place.
Hopefully pal
Just hope your not has wrong has you was last time
http://www.ja606.co.uk/comments/viewAllComments/262781
Lots of people far better qualified than me were wrong last time too. ST holders of 50+ years who I sit with all hoped for more than we've subsequently got from MC and previous regimes for that matter. We live in hope ............
We don't go with the expectation of doom each time .... though in recent years perhaps we should.
Hopefully pal one day that hope will turn out to be true
VOF, it's a shame that you haven't read the article that this thread is actually about.
If you had you would would see that it talks about comments from the club and from Monk and the language used and meaning.
The problem with a lot of folk is that dont actually read what is written, or interpret in in a way that wasn't meant.
It's clear there is a disconnect at the club and GM is being as professional as possible, yet still highlighting that there are issues.
Crazy that with the season 99% done there have been no talks whatsoever about his future.
VOF, it's a shame that you haven't read the article that this thread is actually about.
If you had you would would see that it talks about comments from the club and from Monk and the language used and meaning.
---------------------------------
As previously stated, link doesn't work where I'm sat, makes it hard to read the article.
My response is based on what I've read in other media reports along what appears to be similar lines (not exact i'll grant you) ...... and my interpretation of what I've read there. Hey ho.
It's actually a good read - the journalist has asked some serious and sensible questions and opined some reasonable possible answers but doesn't claim it as fact as far as I could tell - just a plain bit of thought provocation.
Well I managed to stay awake during the 'what is a chain of command' monologue. Was hoping for some new insight but nothing here I haven't seen before. Didn't think people would need an article like this to spot the obvious disconnect. The 'no-one is leaving in this window' ... 'I've been told (mowatt) he's leaving' embarrassment set the scene in January.
milky, must admit the explaining what a CEO was was rather tedious.
If you accept that there is a disconnect as Thornton suggests, under what circumstances would Monk look for an extension of his contract? As you rightly say, Jonty, it is ludicrous that the club has made no effort to keep him on board. It simply invites speculation and offers from other clubs, such as Sunderland, or Norwich.
What really worries me is that Radrizanni does not seem to understand what remarkable progress we have made under Monk this season. Does he really think there is someone who will come in and do a better job?
Perhaps Radrizanni has said that once Cellino goes, the investors will be in place to take the next step, which will include strengthening Monk's position. Even so, Monk strikes me as someone who is principled, for whom such an approach would undermine his confidence to continue with Leeds.
Ask yourself, if you were in Monk's position, with offers on (or under) the table, would you choose to remain disconnected at Leeds, or a part of a management team elsewhere, which actively pulls together?
Can anybody see him staying with us beyond the end of his contract?
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posted on 28/4/17
If this guys observations are correct and there's a lot of logic in his comments, what an appallingly disrespectful way to treat Monk. I would expect nothing else from Cellino, as he has acted this way with McDermott, Redfearn and Evans, but I had Radrizzani down as being more professional. I do wonder if the uncertainty has contributed to recent results!
posted on 28/4/17
We talked about it a few weeks ago Eddie
http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/366188
I always look at the actual quotes and wirds being used and it was clear there was no contact and Monk frustrated.
Internal comma with head coaches hasn't been good at the club the last few years, one can't help but wonder what we could achieve if all really pulling together.
posted on 28/4/17
But other reports in Yorkshire Post have Monk quoted as saying he's okay in waiting for talks to take place in June - as originally stated. Seems to be a story to drag up uncertainty and column inches. It may be true, I it may not. You could also read it that the club are letting the manager get on with it and not interfering - as they've been historically & perpetually accused of.
posted on 28/4/17
Vof
You obviously haven't watched monk interviews
posted on 28/4/17
Liw .......... I've read the Monk interview in YP before replying.
I can see areas for concern, but also read some parts where he (GM) doesn't seem overly worried. His focus is more on next 2 games.
Some links I can't open because of firewalls. ...... but I can open the YEP and can read the contents.
You can pick your story and angle depending on what you hear/read, and your perception of it.
posted on 28/4/17
You didn't read what I put
I said watched.
Over the last few months
posted on 28/4/17
Yep - seen lots of interviews.
Maybe I did misread your post - still not sure why you feel you have to be conceited with your reply.
I've not been able to use the link provided by Jonty - so without that, and using Eddie/Jonty responses, I've checked out what's been said in the press. I've read a piece by Lee Sobot in YP to see what the latest is on GM - hence my response, based on reading that.
No abuse, not with wise cracks, just a different source of news where after reading it, I offered a different view.
That's discussion and debate - I really can't be bothered getting into a wise aaarse teet for tat ...............
posted on 28/4/17
Am not getting into t@t for tat
But it clear by his interviews, that all is not well.
And would you be happy, if in your job, you hadn't a clue if you was still going to be in a job in two months times.
Loads of times in football, you hear one party saying, we do not want to distract from the season, so discussions will take place end of season.
And every time it's completely bull, one side just doesn't want to discuss it for whatever reason.
posted on 28/4/17
He took the job on the basis of 12 months, with the option of an extension at the end of it. He knows as well as anyone that his stock is high, he knows he'll walk into another job pretty quickly - so no I'd imagine he's pretty calm actually in that respect. I'd argue he holds more aces than the club. I'm not saying it's right, I'm not saying it's ideal - but Rad may have a really good reason that he's keeping his powder dry with this. There's just speculation, perhaps rightly. Everyone is concerned and maybe with good reason.
Don't doubt for a second that I want nothing more than everything clarifying. I've argued for weeks that what the club needs is stability - across the club, not just the coach/manager. The nutcase needs to be bought out and hopefully some common sense brought to the running of the place.
posted on 28/4/17
Hopefully pal
Just hope your not has wrong has you was last time
http://www.ja606.co.uk/comments/viewAllComments/262781
posted on 28/4/17
Lots of people far better qualified than me were wrong last time too. ST holders of 50+ years who I sit with all hoped for more than we've subsequently got from MC and previous regimes for that matter. We live in hope ............
We don't go with the expectation of doom each time .... though in recent years perhaps we should.
posted on 28/4/17
Hopefully pal one day that hope will turn out to be true
posted on 28/4/17
VOF, it's a shame that you haven't read the article that this thread is actually about.
If you had you would would see that it talks about comments from the club and from Monk and the language used and meaning.
The problem with a lot of folk is that dont actually read what is written, or interpret in in a way that wasn't meant.
It's clear there is a disconnect at the club and GM is being as professional as possible, yet still highlighting that there are issues.
Crazy that with the season 99% done there have been no talks whatsoever about his future.
posted on 28/4/17
VOF, it's a shame that you haven't read the article that this thread is actually about.
If you had you would would see that it talks about comments from the club and from Monk and the language used and meaning.
---------------------------------
As previously stated, link doesn't work where I'm sat, makes it hard to read the article.
My response is based on what I've read in other media reports along what appears to be similar lines (not exact i'll grant you) ...... and my interpretation of what I've read there. Hey ho.
posted on 28/4/17
It's actually a good read - the journalist has asked some serious and sensible questions and opined some reasonable possible answers but doesn't claim it as fact as far as I could tell - just a plain bit of thought provocation.
posted on 28/4/17
Well I managed to stay awake during the 'what is a chain of command' monologue. Was hoping for some new insight but nothing here I haven't seen before. Didn't think people would need an article like this to spot the obvious disconnect. The 'no-one is leaving in this window' ... 'I've been told (mowatt) he's leaving' embarrassment set the scene in January.
posted on 28/4/17
milky, must admit the explaining what a CEO was was rather tedious.
posted on 29/4/17
If you accept that there is a disconnect as Thornton suggests, under what circumstances would Monk look for an extension of his contract? As you rightly say, Jonty, it is ludicrous that the club has made no effort to keep him on board. It simply invites speculation and offers from other clubs, such as Sunderland, or Norwich.
What really worries me is that Radrizanni does not seem to understand what remarkable progress we have made under Monk this season. Does he really think there is someone who will come in and do a better job?
Perhaps Radrizanni has said that once Cellino goes, the investors will be in place to take the next step, which will include strengthening Monk's position. Even so, Monk strikes me as someone who is principled, for whom such an approach would undermine his confidence to continue with Leeds.
Ask yourself, if you were in Monk's position, with offers on (or under) the table, would you choose to remain disconnected at Leeds, or a part of a management team elsewhere, which actively pulls together?
Can anybody see him staying with us beyond the end of his contract?
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