like i said before i'd sign him for 20-30 mill if it meant we sold sissoko and got 15-20 mill

Perfect time to sign him. Year left on contract and the hype isn't what it was 2/3 years ago

Can play across the 3 in the 4231 and either as a CM or AM in the 3421

He has the attributes. He's strong and retains the ball well, can carry it over distances, good close control and decent creativity. It's his decision making at times which let's him down but some forget despite being around for a while, he's still young

Under Poch I can see him improving his end product too

100% agree Analog

I don't think Barkley would improve your best starting line up. He would strengthen the squad depth though.

comment by ツ VertongHєиgу - ERIKSEN SEN SEN (U9129)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 52 minutes ago
His stats this season are 5 goals and 8 assists in 35 games. When you consider that Kevin Mirallas has 4 goals and 6 assists in 34 games and far less minutes, and nobody ever talks Mirallas up like a wonder kid, it doesn't exactly say that much for Barkley.
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Mirallas Is nearly 30
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I don't know if that makes it worse for Barkley. Mirallas would be considered past his best and is more of a bit part player, yet has similar stats to Barkley who is supposed to be this hot prospect we're chasing.

And while he is moderately young, there are younger who are doing a lot more.

comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by ツ VertongHєиgу - ERIKSEN SEN SEN (U9129)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 52 minutes ago
His stats this season are 5 goals and 8 assists in 35 games. When you consider that Kevin Mirallas has 4 goals and 6 assists in 34 games and far less minutes, and nobody ever talks Mirallas up like a wonder kid, it doesn't exactly say that much for Barkley.
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Mirallas Is nearly 30
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I don't know if that makes it worse for Barkley. Mirallas would be considered past his best and is more of a bit part player, yet has similar stats to Barkley who is supposed to be this hot prospect we're chasing.

And while he is moderately young, there are younger who are doing a lot more.

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Couple wierd comments Spurtle tbh

Mirallas is a forward, Barkley is a midfielder

Everton want in the region of £40m for Barkley, would rather we went and re-signed Siggy from Swansea, at around £20m.
Better player and would enhance our squad tremendously.

It is a huge yes from me for Barkley.

With a CL campaign next year, league and FA cup commitments, we will have the opportunity to mix and match a little more, and Barkley gives us a very good creative alternative to Eriksen, as well as an option to play with him in the attacking positions if we want to really dominate a midfield.

At present we are also very light in CM, especially when we play 3 at the back and Dier moves back. Barkley would give us a dynamic option instead of Dembele.

4 seasons PL experience, and still younger than our average at 23. Room to improve.

At 6'2 he also has the height our side has running through its DNA.

Absolute no brainer for me.

I'm not sold on Barkley. I wouldn't class him as young and he's certainly an experienced PL player having played the best part of 4 full seasons. He's decent but I would have wanted to see more from him. Wouldn't want to pay more than £20m for him.

Let's sign him.

comment by ツ VertongHєиgу - ERIKSEN SEN SEN (U9129)
posted 14 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by ツ VertongHєиgу - ERIKSEN SEN SEN (U9129)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 52 minutes ago
His stats this season are 5 goals and 8 assists in 35 games. When you consider that Kevin Mirallas has 4 goals and 6 assists in 34 games and far less minutes, and nobody ever talks Mirallas up like a wonder kid, it doesn't exactly say that much for Barkley.
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Mirallas Is nearly 30
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I don't know if that makes it worse for Barkley. Mirallas would be considered past his best and is more of a bit part player, yet has similar stats to Barkley who is supposed to be this hot prospect we're chasing.

And while he is moderately young, there are younger who are doing a lot more.

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Couple wierd comments Spurtle tbh
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Why weird?

I'm just making the point that he's been nothing special.

comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 14 hours, 34 minutes ago
Mirallas is a forward, Barkley is a midfielder
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And Barkley is supposed to be an attacking midfielder. You'd expect goals and assists from him.

Not convinced by Barkley but would accept him as back up.

Hope we're looking at Siggy too.

comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by ツ VertongHєиgу - ERIKSEN SEN SEN (U9129)
posted 14 hours, 17 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by ツ VertongHєиgу - ERIKSEN SEN SEN (U9129)
posted 3 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle2 (U1608)
posted 52 minutes ago
His stats this season are 5 goals and 8 assists in 35 games. When you consider that Kevin Mirallas has 4 goals and 6 assists in 34 games and far less minutes, and nobody ever talks Mirallas up like a wonder kid, it doesn't exactly say that much for Barkley.
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Mirallas Is nearly 30
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I don't know if that makes it worse for Barkley. Mirallas would be considered past his best and is more of a bit part player, yet has similar stats to Barkley who is supposed to be this hot prospect we're chasing.

And while he is moderately young, there are younger who are doing a lot more.

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Couple wierd comments Spurtle tbh
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Why weird?

I'm just making the point that he's been nothing special.
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First you asked why Mirallas isn't being talked as a wonder kid when he's nearly 30

Two Barkley plays deeper than Mirallas. He's more a link between for instance Barry & Mirallas imo

Third you seem that you've made you mind up with just going off stats.

For me you need to look deeper.

Is he young and can improve > Yes
Does he have the required skills to fit in > Yes
Can he play multiple positions which poch likes > Yes

I see people wanting siggs when we've already seen what he can do for us and he wasn't exactly fantastic and would probably cost more and have no room for improvement ( or not much )

I'll probably leave it here tbh as no pint going around in circles.

Imo Barkley fits the required criteria and would absolutely love him at Spurs.

I didn't ask why Mirallas was being talked up like a wonder kid, rather why Barkley is getting that sort of hype when his stats are comparative to a bit part player who nobody takes notice of.

He may be deeper but one criticism of him is that he doesn't track back enough and prefers going forward, and if you're going to do that then you should at least add more goals to your game, a part of his game that he admits he should do better at.

Even at that relatively young age, for all his talent he should probably be on double the amount of goals and assists he's on. I think it's his attitude and intelligence that holds him back and that slightly worries me. That night club incident was maybe another little glimpse of that.

Perhaps Poch can get more out of him but Koeman is also a very good manager and he has struggled to get more out of him and came out and publicly questioned his attitude at one point.

I doubt Siggy would cost more than a young hyped up English player. Siggy is more in his peak now than he was at Spurs so I wouldn't always judge based on his previous spell.

Barkley goes for free next summer and koeman had said they'll sell this summer.

Thst will hold his value relatively low. Reckon around £20m would get him which would be great value.

Sight would cost £30m+

Barkley will still sell for a lot to be fair. Everton know the kind of interest that's been bandied about for him and will maximise the sale even with a 1 year left on his contract.

Siggy could be acquired for less than £30m.

Barkley is a better player than Sigurdsson anyway

comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 52 seconds ago
Barkley is a better player than Sigurdsson anyway
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No he's not. He certainly more overhyped.

The opposite, every man and his dog overrates Sigurdsson nowadays because he has loads of assists from set pieces whereas Barkley isn't that highly rated by most people

Sigurdsson has already shown he's not cut out for a top 6 club

...and Barkley has proved nothing. I'd stay well clear headless chicken sort of player.

Pointless convo, agree to disagree

I would have Siggy too, but if I had the choice of the two it would be Barkley for the following reasons.

He has a good 10yrs left at the top level and could even push Eriksen given the right coaching. The best years are in front of him

Siggy has reached his ceiling. He is in his prime, and is not nearly as good a playmaker as Eriksen, or as big a goal threat as Alli or Son. He would be coming in firmly as a reserve.

comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 8 minutes ago
...and Barkley has proved nothing. I'd stay well clear headless chicken sort of player.
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Yeah leave them for Mourinho.