Honestly don't give a damn. Very good technical defender, but even in todays market, it's a very steep amount of money for a midtable defender.
The club has done the right thing in backing away from the controversy going on. The issue of 'illegal tapping' of a player is no different to the majority of clubs in the PL. Any opposition fans criticising our club are just being fickle vultures. The big issue is why so many clubs get away with it!
Just because clubs want a player, doesn't mean they're the best in the league.
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 4 minutes ago
Baz, I'm not denying he's one of the better CB's in the PL, and I've always bigged him up on this forum
But I rate Toby as probably the pick of the bunch atm
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Really? Fair enough in some respects, Toby is solid. But vvd is one of the rare ones that does it with ease, all of it. He's really top class.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 28 seconds ago
and the size of the bid suggests that yes, he is the best defender in England.
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I give you John Stones.
Van Dijk is quality, though. Not as good as Toby for me. Laughable to suggest he's far and away the best defender. Certainly one of the best, though.
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So why is he wanted so much by practically every club who might be able to afford him?
I think I'll take their view that they clearly believe he is by far and away the best. 👍
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Was the same for stones over two seasons.
Does that make him the best for those two seasons.
Mustafi is the best CB in the PL.
He's got the skill on the ground, but also the tenacity and combativeness required of a top defender.
He also has World Cup-winning pedigree.
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 1 minute ago
Just because clubs want a player, doesn't mean they're the best in the league.
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Agreed but we're taking pretty much every club. When else did that last happen?
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by If anyone can, Emre Can... (U3979)
posted 13 seconds ago
If I was Klopp I'd resign. Absolutely pathetic from the club.
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Why?
Has it been shown to have been him who was responsible?
If not why should he resign.
So
Much over reaction here. It's like football has suddenly obtained some morals in amongst all this life changing money. 🤔
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No you moron I'd resign because the club above me are incompetent
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 59 seconds ago
Mustafi is the best CB in the PL.
He's got the skill on the ground, but also the tenacity and combativeness required of a top defender.
He also has World Cup-winning pedigree.
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comment by If anyone can, Emre Can... (U3979)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by If anyone can, Emre Can... (U3979)
posted 13 seconds ago
If I was Klopp I'd resign. Absolutely pathetic from the club.
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Why?
Has it been shown to have been him who was responsible?
If not why should he resign.
So
Much over reaction here. It's like football has suddenly obtained some morals in amongst all this life changing money. 🤔
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No you moron I'd resign because the club above me are incompetent
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"moron" 😂😂😂
Fwck off you childish rse 👍
What a terrible argument. Being wanted by clubs that can afford him (no proof every club wants him of course), doesn't make him the by far and away the best cb in the league.
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 11 seconds ago
What a terrible argument. Being wanted by clubs that can afford him (no proof every club wants him of course), doesn't make him the by far and away the best cb in the league.
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So you don't think that so many clubs want him after a fairly lengthy period out with injury and are still prepared to put in this kind of bid doesn't make you believe that they think he's by far and away the best in the league?
Don't see why that's a terrible argument. 🤔
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
What a terrible argument. Being wanted by clubs that can afford him (no proof every club wants him of course), doesn't make him the by far and away the best cb in the league.
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Every top club across Europe apparently
No it doesn't. You could make similar claims about Stones the last couple of seasons.
Do you know what supply and demand is? Chelsea and Man United are looking about £80m. Does that make them think he's by far and away the best striker in the league?
Or is it a simple case of certain players not being available for transfer?
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Are people really arguing whether VVD is the best CB on the league or the 2nd best?!
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 25 seconds ago
No it doesn't. You could make similar claims about Stones the last couple of seasons.
Do you know what supply and demand is? Chelsea and Man United are looking about £80m. Does that make them think he's by far and away the best striker in the league?
Or is it a simple case of certain players not being available for transfer?
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Every player is available at the right price. I won't even give the question of knowing what supply and demand is any answer and give it relevance.
There's no £80m bid for Lukaku though is there? Just paper and fan talk.
Other defenders are available. Good ones. Ones that some claim to be better. Yet no bid.
And all this after he's missed practically the whole season through injury?
Sorry but if the biggest clubs are looking at this kind of money and wages of £200k a week (reportedly) then it says to me they believe he's at that level regardless of what any football supporter says 👍
comment by Can Solo (U6997)
posted 37 seconds ago
Are people really arguing whether VVD is the best CB on the league or the 2nd best?!
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Oh god no. He's apparently some mid level defender now in some quarters. 😂
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 25 seconds ago
No it doesn't. You could make similar claims about Stones the last couple of seasons.
Do you know what supply and demand is? Chelsea and Man United are looking about £80m. Does that make them think he's by far and away the best striker in the league?
Or is it a simple case of certain players not being available for transfer?
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Every player is available at the right price. I won't even give the question of knowing what supply and demand is any answer and give it relevance.
There's no £80m bid for Lukaku though is there? Just paper and fan talk.
Other defenders are available. Good ones. Ones that some claim to be better. Yet no bid.
And all this after he's missed practically the whole season through injury?
Sorry but if the biggest clubs are looking at this kind of money and wages of £200k a week (reportedly) then it says to me they believe he's at that level regardless of what any football supporter says 👍
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Why do you think the biggest clubs aren't looking at signing Messi and Suarez and Ronaldo but instead looking at Lukaku, Mbappe and Morata?
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 7 minutes ago
Great argument. Club with crap defence want to buy top quality CB, therefore that CB is automatically by far and away the best in the league. VVD is a really good player, but Alderweireld has been comfortably the best CB in the Prem for two seasons now.
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Toby has been backed up by a well drilled, watertight team with an excellent all round pressing game, bound to make him look better: and don't get me wrong, he's a top player, but in terms of all around game, vvd for me.
Liverpool haven't bid either. Neither have all these clubs you are claiming that are after him. Just paper talk.
Not every player is available. Toby is clearly unavailable otherwise he wouldn't still be at Spurs. Spurs are a facking caaaant to negotiate with. Have been for over a decade.
Signing a player of Van Dijk's quality from a selling club like Southampton is a different ball game.
None of this equates to Van Dijk being by far the best defender in the league.
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 25 seconds ago
No it doesn't. You could make similar claims about Stones the last couple of seasons.
Do you know what supply and demand is? Chelsea and Man United are looking about £80m. Does that make them think he's by far and away the best striker in the league?
Or is it a simple case of certain players not being available for transfer?
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Every player is available at the right price. I won't even give the question of knowing what supply and demand is any answer and give it relevance.
There's no £80m bid for Lukaku though is there? Just paper and fan talk.
Other defenders are available. Good ones. Ones that some claim to be better. Yet no bid.
And all this after he's missed practically the whole season through injury?
Sorry but if the biggest clubs are looking at this kind of money and wages of £200k a week (reportedly) then it says to me they believe he's at that level regardless of what any football supporter says 👍
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Why do you think the biggest clubs aren't looking at signing Messi and Suarez and Ronaldo but instead looking at Lukaku, Mbappe and Morata?
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They have done though haven't they?
And that's why their price is so exorbitant. Because they are by far and away the best (or have been) in their positions. Many of them also have a loyalty to the club they are with and are so wealthy that there's no point in anyone trying to offer more.
Look we are going round in circles here so just let's disagree. I have little intention of sitting up all hours arguing back and forth 👍
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 57 seconds ago
Liverpool haven't bid either. Neither have all these clubs you are claiming that are after him. Just paper talk.
Not every player is available. Toby is clearly unavailable otherwise he wouldn't still be at Spurs. Spurs are a facking caaaant to negotiate with. Have been for over a decade.
Signing a player of Van Dijk's quality from a selling club like Southampton is a different ball game.
None of this equates to Van Dijk being by far the best defender in the league.
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What?
Liverpool haven't made an approach and mentioned a fee? Or are you just splitting hairs here? 😂
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posted on 7/6/17
Honestly don't give a damn. Very good technical defender, but even in todays market, it's a very steep amount of money for a midtable defender.
The club has done the right thing in backing away from the controversy going on. The issue of 'illegal tapping' of a player is no different to the majority of clubs in the PL. Any opposition fans criticising our club are just being fickle vultures. The big issue is why so many clubs get away with it!
posted on 7/6/17
Just because clubs want a player, doesn't mean they're the best in the league.
posted on 7/6/17
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 4 minutes ago
Baz, I'm not denying he's one of the better CB's in the PL, and I've always bigged him up on this forum
But I rate Toby as probably the pick of the bunch atm
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Really? Fair enough in some respects, Toby is solid. But vvd is one of the rare ones that does it with ease, all of it. He's really top class.
posted on 7/6/17
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 28 seconds ago
and the size of the bid suggests that yes, he is the best defender in England.
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I give you John Stones.
Van Dijk is quality, though. Not as good as Toby for me. Laughable to suggest he's far and away the best defender. Certainly one of the best, though.
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So why is he wanted so much by practically every club who might be able to afford him?
I think I'll take their view that they clearly believe he is by far and away the best. 👍
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Was the same for stones over two seasons.
Does that make him the best for those two seasons.
posted on 7/6/17
Mustafi is the best CB in the PL.
He's got the skill on the ground, but also the tenacity and combativeness required of a top defender.
He also has World Cup-winning pedigree.
posted on 7/6/17
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 1 minute ago
Just because clubs want a player, doesn't mean they're the best in the league.
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Agreed but we're taking pretty much every club. When else did that last happen?
posted on 7/6/17
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by If anyone can, Emre Can... (U3979)
posted 13 seconds ago
If I was Klopp I'd resign. Absolutely pathetic from the club.
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Why?
Has it been shown to have been him who was responsible?
If not why should he resign.
So
Much over reaction here. It's like football has suddenly obtained some morals in amongst all this life changing money. 🤔
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No you moron I'd resign because the club above me are incompetent
posted on 7/6/17
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 59 seconds ago
Mustafi is the best CB in the PL.
He's got the skill on the ground, but also the tenacity and combativeness required of a top defender.
He also has World Cup-winning pedigree.
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posted on 7/6/17
comment by If anyone can, Emre Can... (U3979)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by If anyone can, Emre Can... (U3979)
posted 13 seconds ago
If I was Klopp I'd resign. Absolutely pathetic from the club.
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Why?
Has it been shown to have been him who was responsible?
If not why should he resign.
So
Much over reaction here. It's like football has suddenly obtained some morals in amongst all this life changing money. 🤔
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No you moron I'd resign because the club above me are incompetent
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"moron" 😂😂😂
Fwck off you childish rse 👍
posted on 7/6/17
What a terrible argument. Being wanted by clubs that can afford him (no proof every club wants him of course), doesn't make him the by far and away the best cb in the league.
posted on 7/6/17
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 11 seconds ago
What a terrible argument. Being wanted by clubs that can afford him (no proof every club wants him of course), doesn't make him the by far and away the best cb in the league.
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So you don't think that so many clubs want him after a fairly lengthy period out with injury and are still prepared to put in this kind of bid doesn't make you believe that they think he's by far and away the best in the league?
Don't see why that's a terrible argument. 🤔
posted on 7/6/17
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
What a terrible argument. Being wanted by clubs that can afford him (no proof every club wants him of course), doesn't make him the by far and away the best cb in the league.
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Every top club across Europe apparently
posted on 7/6/17
No it doesn't. You could make similar claims about Stones the last couple of seasons.
Do you know what supply and demand is? Chelsea and Man United are looking about £80m. Does that make them think he's by far and away the best striker in the league?
Or is it a simple case of certain players not being available for transfer?
posted on 7/6/17
*£80m for Lukaku.
posted on 7/6/17
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posted on 7/6/17
Agreed, Ace.
posted on 7/6/17
Are people really arguing whether VVD is the best CB on the league or the 2nd best?!
posted on 7/6/17
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 25 seconds ago
No it doesn't. You could make similar claims about Stones the last couple of seasons.
Do you know what supply and demand is? Chelsea and Man United are looking about £80m. Does that make them think he's by far and away the best striker in the league?
Or is it a simple case of certain players not being available for transfer?
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Every player is available at the right price. I won't even give the question of knowing what supply and demand is any answer and give it relevance.
There's no £80m bid for Lukaku though is there? Just paper and fan talk.
Other defenders are available. Good ones. Ones that some claim to be better. Yet no bid.
And all this after he's missed practically the whole season through injury?
Sorry but if the biggest clubs are looking at this kind of money and wages of £200k a week (reportedly) then it says to me they believe he's at that level regardless of what any football supporter says 👍
posted on 7/6/17
comment by Can Solo (U6997)
posted 37 seconds ago
Are people really arguing whether VVD is the best CB on the league or the 2nd best?!
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Oh god no. He's apparently some mid level defender now in some quarters. 😂
posted on 7/6/17
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 25 seconds ago
No it doesn't. You could make similar claims about Stones the last couple of seasons.
Do you know what supply and demand is? Chelsea and Man United are looking about £80m. Does that make them think he's by far and away the best striker in the league?
Or is it a simple case of certain players not being available for transfer?
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Every player is available at the right price. I won't even give the question of knowing what supply and demand is any answer and give it relevance.
There's no £80m bid for Lukaku though is there? Just paper and fan talk.
Other defenders are available. Good ones. Ones that some claim to be better. Yet no bid.
And all this after he's missed practically the whole season through injury?
Sorry but if the biggest clubs are looking at this kind of money and wages of £200k a week (reportedly) then it says to me they believe he's at that level regardless of what any football supporter says 👍
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Why do you think the biggest clubs aren't looking at signing Messi and Suarez and Ronaldo but instead looking at Lukaku, Mbappe and Morata?
posted on 7/6/17
comment by Ace (U18814)
posted 7 minutes ago
Great argument. Club with crap defence want to buy top quality CB, therefore that CB is automatically by far and away the best in the league. VVD is a really good player, but Alderweireld has been comfortably the best CB in the Prem for two seasons now.
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Toby has been backed up by a well drilled, watertight team with an excellent all round pressing game, bound to make him look better: and don't get me wrong, he's a top player, but in terms of all around game, vvd for me.
posted on 7/6/17
Liverpool haven't bid either. Neither have all these clubs you are claiming that are after him. Just paper talk.
Not every player is available. Toby is clearly unavailable otherwise he wouldn't still be at Spurs. Spurs are a facking caaaant to negotiate with. Have been for over a decade.
Signing a player of Van Dijk's quality from a selling club like Southampton is a different ball game.
None of this equates to Van Dijk being by far the best defender in the league.
posted on 7/6/17
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 25 seconds ago
No it doesn't. You could make similar claims about Stones the last couple of seasons.
Do you know what supply and demand is? Chelsea and Man United are looking about £80m. Does that make them think he's by far and away the best striker in the league?
Or is it a simple case of certain players not being available for transfer?
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Every player is available at the right price. I won't even give the question of knowing what supply and demand is any answer and give it relevance.
There's no £80m bid for Lukaku though is there? Just paper and fan talk.
Other defenders are available. Good ones. Ones that some claim to be better. Yet no bid.
And all this after he's missed practically the whole season through injury?
Sorry but if the biggest clubs are looking at this kind of money and wages of £200k a week (reportedly) then it says to me they believe he's at that level regardless of what any football supporter says 👍
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Why do you think the biggest clubs aren't looking at signing Messi and Suarez and Ronaldo but instead looking at Lukaku, Mbappe and Morata?
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They have done though haven't they?
And that's why their price is so exorbitant. Because they are by far and away the best (or have been) in their positions. Many of them also have a loyalty to the club they are with and are so wealthy that there's no point in anyone trying to offer more.
Look we are going round in circles here so just let's disagree. I have little intention of sitting up all hours arguing back and forth 👍
posted on 7/6/17
Apology accepted
posted on 7/6/17
comment by Zlatan The King Ibrahimovic (U10026)
posted 57 seconds ago
Liverpool haven't bid either. Neither have all these clubs you are claiming that are after him. Just paper talk.
Not every player is available. Toby is clearly unavailable otherwise he wouldn't still be at Spurs. Spurs are a facking caaaant to negotiate with. Have been for over a decade.
Signing a player of Van Dijk's quality from a selling club like Southampton is a different ball game.
None of this equates to Van Dijk being by far the best defender in the league.
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What?
Liverpool haven't made an approach and mentioned a fee? Or are you just splitting hairs here? 😂
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