I'm with you on gullibility 100%. I don't doubt that Putin would stoop to any level he feels necessary to get what he wants, but that doesn't explain why so many Americans are seemingly so poorly educated, if your assumption is correct.
Poorly educated. Disenfranchised with DC like
Matty eluded to. And a candidate in Trump who
campaigned on a platform of devision and hate.
Plus, the candidate he ran against
was polarizing. Russia managed to put many stories
out onto social media, including stories around
Clinton's alleged abuse of the email server. That was
debunked by the FBI. But, the damage was done.
Add to that a pathological liar, claiming he would
"drain the swamp" and you had the perfect storm.
He's since turned his back on those who voted for him.
And restocked the swamp ten fold with his allies and
mates who are all milking the system.
It's a complex story. And sad. With one loser:
the US.
Jonty.I feel that your comments are not correct. I don't believe 100,000 muslims said they would not report terrorist activity to the police.
Please give me the exact question that was given in the survey. I think you will find that the question was misleading..
Matty, Trump was pretty explicit throughout his campaign about what he intended to do and they still voted for him. Even after pulling out of climate change agreement his followers still gloat over his "victory".
Abu, maybe you feel my comments are incorrect because you have misread them.
I did not say 100,000 muslims said they would not report terrorist activity to the police, I said 34% of the 100,000 polled said that they would not go to the authorities.
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The 615-page survey found that more than 100,000 British Muslims sympathize with suicide bombers and people who commit other terrorist acts. Moreover, only one in three British Muslims (34%) would contact the police if they believed that somebody close to them had become involved with jihadists.
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Here is the survey if you have a few hours spare.
Sorry, should read only 34% would go to the authorities.
It is an extremely worrying situation.
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 3 minutes ago
Abu, maybe you feel my comments are incorrect because you have misread them.
I did not say 100,000 muslims said they would not report terrorist activity to the police, I said 34% of the 100,000 polled said that they would not go to the authorities.
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The 615-page survey found that more than 100,000 British Muslims sympathize with suicide bombers and people who commit other terrorist acts. Moreover, only one in three British Muslims (34%) would contact the police if they believed that somebody close to them had become involved with jihadists.
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Here is the survey if you have a few hours spare.
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Sure, 34% or similar. But can you please give me the source of the survey. These questions are ususally worded cleverly.
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 9 minutes ago
Sorry, should read only 34% would go to the authorities.
It is an extremely worrying situation.
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Ive been doing some reading online and like i assumed you got it wrong.
The conclusion was that 'Moreover, only one in three British Muslims (34%) would contact the police if they believed that somebody close to them had become involved with jihadists.'
Please highlight the 'close to them' part in the in the survey. Would you go to the authorities if your brother or father was getting involved with jihadists? The fact is that many are too attached to their families to want to tell the authroties. That has always been the case in alot of serious crimes.
Sorry, thought I'd included the link:
https://www.icmunlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Mulims-full-suite-data-plus-topline.pdf
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If my brother was planning on blowing up innocent people i would certainly tell the authorities, are you saying that you would not and think it is justified not to?
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 16 minutes ago
Sorry, thought I'd included the link:
https://www.icmunlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Mulims-full-suite-data-plus-topline.pdf
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If my brother was planning on blowing up innocent people i would certainly tell the authorities, are you saying that you would not and think it is justified not to?
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'becoming close with jihadists' doesnt necessarily mean he is definitely going to be blowing up innocent people. It implies a sense of friendship which is why most people said they wouldnt report it if it was someone close to them.
One can only assume that you have neither read the report nor the survey as you keep getting it wrong as to what it actually says.
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 21 minutes ago
One can only assume that you have neither read the report nor the survey as you keep getting it wrong as to what it actually says.
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what? the statement says :
'Moreover, only one in three British Muslims (34%) would contact the police if they believed that somebody close to them had become involved with jihadists.'
Being 'close to them' here doesnt necessarily mean killing people. It implies a kind of friendship. I can see every reason why people wouldnt want to tell on their close family and friends due to bad friendship.
comment by Abu time to back radz (U21524)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 21 minutes ago
One can only assume that you have neither read the report nor the survey as you keep getting it wrong as to what it actually says.
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what? the statement says :
'Moreover, only one in three British Muslims (34%) would contact the police if they believed that somebody close to them had become involved with jihadists.'
Being 'close to them' here doesnt necessarily mean killing people. It implies a kind of friendship. I can see every reason why people wouldnt want to tell on their close family and friends due to bad friendship.
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sorry i meant to say someon involved with jihaadists cant imply a kind of friendship. Enough of a reason in many peoples eyes not to grass on their close family members and friends,
sorry again let me make that clearer. 'Being involved with jihaadists.' is not a strong enough reason for people to take their family members or friends to the police. It implies a sense of friendship and not that the person is definately going to do a terrorist activity.
https://www.gov.uk/terrorism-national-emergency/reporting-suspected-terrorism
3. Reporting suspected terrorism
If you suspect someone is involved in terrorism in any way:
call the police or report your suspicions to them online
report suspicious activity to MI5
report online terrorist material
You can remain anonymous.
----------
"in any way"
There are no excuses for choosing not to report someone, none.
Multiple posts and straight into attacking Jonty on your first day of posting - wow, you do remind me of someone Abu!
Wonder who that could be?
comment by RadebeTedd (U17015)
posted 16 minutes ago
Multiple posts and straight into attacking Jonty on your first day of posting - wow, you do remind me of someone Abu!
Wonder who that could be?
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Lol, I'm not really attacking jonty, just challenging him. Ive been reading this board for years so Ive had long enough to see his views.
Are you referring to Perthshire by any chance? He's a good poster!
RT - I thought Abu might live in the midlands too for the same reason you give 😂😂😂
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 30 minutes ago
https://www.gov.uk/terrorism-national-emergency/reporting-suspected-terrorism
3. Reporting suspected terrorism
If you suspect someone is involved in terrorism in any way:
call the police or report your suspicions to them online
report suspicious activity to MI5
report online terrorist material
You can remain anonymous.
----------
"in any way"
There are no excuses for choosing not to report someone, none.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, that might be the official line. But often than not when family are involved it changes the ball game. Either way I believe the question was a very daft question as it put people on the spot to choose between their loved ones. Don't agree with the question at all.
comment by Abu time to back radz (U21524)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RadebeTedd (U17015)
posted 16 minutes ago
Multiple posts and straight into attacking Jonty on your first day of posting - wow, you do remind me of someone Abu!
Wonder who that could be?
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Lol, I'm not really attacking jonty, just challenging him. Ive been reading this board for years so Ive had long enough to see his views.
Are you referring to Perthshire by any chance? He's a good poster!
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I mean Perthwhite?
comment by VOF - FORZA Leeds ..........! (U17124)
posted 1 minute ago
RT - I thought Abu might live in the midlands too for the same reason you give 😂😂😂
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Oh your talking about Walsall lol. No I'm from West Yorkshire.
It's actually an extremely pertinent question as it reveals the problem in its true nature.
We have a group of people who feel a stronger allegiance to people who want to destroy this country's way of life then they do to the rule of low of the country which they choose to live in.
That is a recipe for disaster unless it's addressed and you can't address it by tiptoeing around it and complaining about wording of question or making excuses.
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 29 seconds ago
It's actually an extremely pertinent question as it reveals the problem in its true nature.
We have a group of people who feel a stronger allegiance to people who want to destroy this country's way of life then they do to the rule of low of the country which they choose to live in.
That is a recipe for disaster unless it's addressed and you can't address it by tiptoeing around it and complaining about wording of question or making excuses.
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How can your loved ones be a terrorist? If they are loved to you... it's a hypothetical question that doesn't make sense. And that's why it's stupid.
"How can your loved ones be a terrorist? If they are loved to you... it's a hypothetical question that doesn't make sense. And that's why it's stupid."
What?
Every terrorist will be loved by someone - mother, their children, partner, siblings. So, clearly a loved one could be a terrorist.
Not sure why you think it's a stupid question.
Completely agree Tedd, it's the most bizarre apology for terrorism I've ever seen.
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posted on 13/6/17
I'm with you on gullibility 100%. I don't doubt that Putin would stoop to any level he feels necessary to get what he wants, but that doesn't explain why so many Americans are seemingly so poorly educated, if your assumption is correct.
posted on 13/6/17
Poorly educated. Disenfranchised with DC like
Matty eluded to. And a candidate in Trump who
campaigned on a platform of devision and hate.
Plus, the candidate he ran against
was polarizing. Russia managed to put many stories
out onto social media, including stories around
Clinton's alleged abuse of the email server. That was
debunked by the FBI. But, the damage was done.
Add to that a pathological liar, claiming he would
"drain the swamp" and you had the perfect storm.
He's since turned his back on those who voted for him.
And restocked the swamp ten fold with his allies and
mates who are all milking the system.
It's a complex story. And sad. With one loser:
the US.
posted on 13/6/17
Jonty.I feel that your comments are not correct. I don't believe 100,000 muslims said they would not report terrorist activity to the police.
Please give me the exact question that was given in the survey. I think you will find that the question was misleading..
posted on 13/6/17
Matty, Trump was pretty explicit throughout his campaign about what he intended to do and they still voted for him. Even after pulling out of climate change agreement his followers still gloat over his "victory".
posted on 13/6/17
Abu, maybe you feel my comments are incorrect because you have misread them.
I did not say 100,000 muslims said they would not report terrorist activity to the police, I said 34% of the 100,000 polled said that they would not go to the authorities.
-------
The 615-page survey found that more than 100,000 British Muslims sympathize with suicide bombers and people who commit other terrorist acts. Moreover, only one in three British Muslims (34%) would contact the police if they believed that somebody close to them had become involved with jihadists.
---------
Here is the survey if you have a few hours spare.
posted on 13/6/17
Sorry, should read only 34% would go to the authorities.
It is an extremely worrying situation.
posted on 13/6/17
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 3 minutes ago
Abu, maybe you feel my comments are incorrect because you have misread them.
I did not say 100,000 muslims said they would not report terrorist activity to the police, I said 34% of the 100,000 polled said that they would not go to the authorities.
-------
The 615-page survey found that more than 100,000 British Muslims sympathize with suicide bombers and people who commit other terrorist acts. Moreover, only one in three British Muslims (34%) would contact the police if they believed that somebody close to them had become involved with jihadists.
---------
Here is the survey if you have a few hours spare.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sure, 34% or similar. But can you please give me the source of the survey. These questions are ususally worded cleverly.
posted on 13/6/17
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 9 minutes ago
Sorry, should read only 34% would go to the authorities.
It is an extremely worrying situation.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ive been doing some reading online and like i assumed you got it wrong.
The conclusion was that 'Moreover, only one in three British Muslims (34%) would contact the police if they believed that somebody close to them had become involved with jihadists.'
Please highlight the 'close to them' part in the in the survey. Would you go to the authorities if your brother or father was getting involved with jihadists? The fact is that many are too attached to their families to want to tell the authroties. That has always been the case in alot of serious crimes.
posted on 13/6/17
Sorry, thought I'd included the link:
https://www.icmunlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Mulims-full-suite-data-plus-topline.pdf
----
If my brother was planning on blowing up innocent people i would certainly tell the authorities, are you saying that you would not and think it is justified not to?
posted on 13/6/17
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 16 minutes ago
Sorry, thought I'd included the link:
https://www.icmunlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Mulims-full-suite-data-plus-topline.pdf
----
If my brother was planning on blowing up innocent people i would certainly tell the authorities, are you saying that you would not and think it is justified not to?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
'becoming close with jihadists' doesnt necessarily mean he is definitely going to be blowing up innocent people. It implies a sense of friendship which is why most people said they wouldnt report it if it was someone close to them.
posted on 13/6/17
One can only assume that you have neither read the report nor the survey as you keep getting it wrong as to what it actually says.
posted on 13/6/17
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 21 minutes ago
One can only assume that you have neither read the report nor the survey as you keep getting it wrong as to what it actually says.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
what? the statement says :
'Moreover, only one in three British Muslims (34%) would contact the police if they believed that somebody close to them had become involved with jihadists.'
Being 'close to them' here doesnt necessarily mean killing people. It implies a kind of friendship. I can see every reason why people wouldnt want to tell on their close family and friends due to bad friendship.
posted on 13/6/17
comment by Abu time to back radz (U21524)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 21 minutes ago
One can only assume that you have neither read the report nor the survey as you keep getting it wrong as to what it actually says.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
what? the statement says :
'Moreover, only one in three British Muslims (34%) would contact the police if they believed that somebody close to them had become involved with jihadists.'
Being 'close to them' here doesnt necessarily mean killing people. It implies a kind of friendship. I can see every reason why people wouldnt want to tell on their close family and friends due to bad friendship.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
sorry i meant to say someon involved with jihaadists cant imply a kind of friendship. Enough of a reason in many peoples eyes not to grass on their close family members and friends,
posted on 13/6/17
sorry again let me make that clearer. 'Being involved with jihaadists.' is not a strong enough reason for people to take their family members or friends to the police. It implies a sense of friendship and not that the person is definately going to do a terrorist activity.
posted on 14/6/17
https://www.gov.uk/terrorism-national-emergency/reporting-suspected-terrorism
3. Reporting suspected terrorism
If you suspect someone is involved in terrorism in any way:
call the police or report your suspicions to them online
report suspicious activity to MI5
report online terrorist material
You can remain anonymous.
----------
"in any way"
There are no excuses for choosing not to report someone, none.
posted on 14/6/17
Multiple posts and straight into attacking Jonty on your first day of posting - wow, you do remind me of someone Abu!
Wonder who that could be?
posted on 14/6/17
comment by RadebeTedd (U17015)
posted 16 minutes ago
Multiple posts and straight into attacking Jonty on your first day of posting - wow, you do remind me of someone Abu!
Wonder who that could be?
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Lol, I'm not really attacking jonty, just challenging him. Ive been reading this board for years so Ive had long enough to see his views.
Are you referring to Perthshire by any chance? He's a good poster!
posted on 14/6/17
RT - I thought Abu might live in the midlands too for the same reason you give 😂😂😂
posted on 14/6/17
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 30 minutes ago
https://www.gov.uk/terrorism-national-emergency/reporting-suspected-terrorism
3. Reporting suspected terrorism
If you suspect someone is involved in terrorism in any way:
call the police or report your suspicions to them online
report suspicious activity to MI5
report online terrorist material
You can remain anonymous.
----------
"in any way"
There are no excuses for choosing not to report someone, none.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, that might be the official line. But often than not when family are involved it changes the ball game. Either way I believe the question was a very daft question as it put people on the spot to choose between their loved ones. Don't agree with the question at all.
posted on 14/6/17
comment by Abu time to back radz (U21524)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RadebeTedd (U17015)
posted 16 minutes ago
Multiple posts and straight into attacking Jonty on your first day of posting - wow, you do remind me of someone Abu!
Wonder who that could be?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lol, I'm not really attacking jonty, just challenging him. Ive been reading this board for years so Ive had long enough to see his views.
Are you referring to Perthshire by any chance? He's a good poster!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I mean Perthwhite?
posted on 14/6/17
comment by VOF - FORZA Leeds ..........! (U17124)
posted 1 minute ago
RT - I thought Abu might live in the midlands too for the same reason you give 😂😂😂
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Oh your talking about Walsall lol. No I'm from West Yorkshire.
posted on 14/6/17
It's actually an extremely pertinent question as it reveals the problem in its true nature.
We have a group of people who feel a stronger allegiance to people who want to destroy this country's way of life then they do to the rule of low of the country which they choose to live in.
That is a recipe for disaster unless it's addressed and you can't address it by tiptoeing around it and complaining about wording of question or making excuses.
posted on 14/6/17
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 29 seconds ago
It's actually an extremely pertinent question as it reveals the problem in its true nature.
We have a group of people who feel a stronger allegiance to people who want to destroy this country's way of life then they do to the rule of low of the country which they choose to live in.
That is a recipe for disaster unless it's addressed and you can't address it by tiptoeing around it and complaining about wording of question or making excuses.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How can your loved ones be a terrorist? If they are loved to you... it's a hypothetical question that doesn't make sense. And that's why it's stupid.
posted on 14/6/17
"How can your loved ones be a terrorist? If they are loved to you... it's a hypothetical question that doesn't make sense. And that's why it's stupid."
What?
Every terrorist will be loved by someone - mother, their children, partner, siblings. So, clearly a loved one could be a terrorist.
Not sure why you think it's a stupid question.
posted on 14/6/17
Completely agree Tedd, it's the most bizarre apology for terrorism I've ever seen.
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