No, Wanyama just needed to feed it out wide first time.
Fair comment Ledders, Wanyama had a 'mare giving the ball away plenty in dangerous positions
Agreed....yes wanyama was sloppy....but lloris should never have thrown...and as for getting beat near post..AGAIN.
I have no problem with Hugo quickly throwing the ball out, there was a decent attacking opportunity on (although it would've only released Sissoko...) but Wanyama was criminal - Lost the ball and then didn't bother to follow the man overlapping (Alonso), and Hugo was rubbish at his near post, again.
Wanyama was very poor today, but really Lloris should not have fed him with the ball in the first place, and should certainly have saved the shot. Shocking goalkeeping.
comment by junction8 (U1074)
posted 1 minute ago
Agreed....yes wanyama was sloppy....but lloris should never have thrown...and as for getting beat near post..AGAIN.
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Why shouldn't he have thrown the ball out? For once Chelsea had players up the pitch so we had space to attack. Simple one-touch pass required by Wanyama.
Lloris was very poor for the goal, but don't present the player the opportunity to score at such an important time in the game. He could have scored from that position without Lloris making as much of a mistake.
We are at "home" and dominated the game. I see no reason why we should have to play for a draw.
Baldy has to take blame as well. A big game like that and still the weak bench, having to bring on facking Sissoko who did nothing. Then again neither did Son. Chelsea didn't even have Hazard or Costa available.
To be fair the way Chelsea set up to defend we'd have needed to bring on someone like Mane, Sanchez or Dembele to run at them but yes, we do need better options than Sissoko, N'Koudou and Janssen
Simple one-touch pass required by Wanyama.
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Which he struggles with as always.
Lloris should have know better, had he have thrown it to the likes of Dembele then fair enough but he must know Wanyama is likely to give it away so Imo that makes Lloris as much to blame as Wanyama.
I would also blame Poch a bit because Wanyama was having a mare so why he did not leave Dier out there and take Wanyama off god only knows.
Yes Dier was on a yellow but thats not the point in my books Dier should be a good enough pro to allow for the fact that he was on a yellow.
comment by grandspurs (U3810)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Simple one-touch pass required by Wanyama.
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Which he struggles with as always.
Lloris should have know better, had he have thrown it to the likes of Dembele then fair enough but he must know Wanyama is likely to give it away so Imo that makes Lloris as much to blame as Wanyama.
I would also blame Poch a bit because Wanyama was having a mare so why he did not leave Dier out there and take Wanyama off god only knows.
Yes Dier was on a yellow but thats not the point in my books Dier should be a good enough pro to allow for the fact that he was on a yellow.
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Both errors were those I wouldn't expect from pro footballers. The throw wasn't at an awkward height or pace so Wanyama could have just cushioned it with the instep to Sissoko. Lloris just needed to use his legs to make the save, at worst it could have gone through his legs, can't be diving over the ball
Its well known that you are at your most vulnerable just after you score, thats a fact. Look at the way goals are scored in games and the amount of times the goals are 2 or 3 minutes apart is bizarre.
Lloris should never have made that throw even tho a better footballer than Wanyama would not have given it away.
Lloris as captain should know better as for his "efforts" to stop the shot well............................enough said
A lot to ponder here.
First, I think Pochettino has to take some blame.
Settling for a draw might have been a good strategy.
I suppose Lloris was simply following Pochettino's thinking - both backs gone off, attack. So throw to Wanyama, well sometimes wot happened happens. But then he's totally exposed and has to cover both the shot (less likely) and the center to whoever it was. Well he got caught. Yes, he could have done better, but he's not entirely to blame. Frankly, I blame Pochettino.
Poch cannot be blamed for players decisions on the pitch if you watched it he was as angry as we were
The initial mistake was the lack of awareness from Wanyama, Lloris compounded it with the poor attempt at making the save
comment by grandspurs (U3810)
posted 2 minutes ago
Poch cannot be blamed for players decisions on the pitch if you watched it he was as angry as we were
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Of course Pochettino was angry. He didn't plan for wot happened. But my point is that his over time strategy of substitutions to go for a win left the GK exposed. And then wot happened is likely to happen.
A draw would have been good thinking when we got the own goal.
He didn't plan for wot happened. But my point is that his over time strategy of substitutions to go for a win
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He went for a win by bringing Sissoko on?????
Thats the weirdest tactical move I have ever heard of
comment by grandspurs (U3810)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
He didn't plan for wot happened. But my point is that his over time strategy of substitutions to go for a win
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He went for a win by bringing Sissoko on?????
Thats the weirdest tactical move I have ever heard of
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He subbed Trippier, he subbed Davies.
Wot else do you think he was intending, other than going all out for a goal and a second one?
I can't speak to your opinion of Sissoko, except to say that it certainly differs from Pochettino's opinion!
I can't speak to your opinion of Sissoko, except to say that it certainly differs from Pochettino's opinion!
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I dont think it does that is why he rarely if ever starts a game
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posted on 20/8/17
No, Wanyama just needed to feed it out wide first time.
posted on 20/8/17
Fair comment Ledders, Wanyama had a 'mare giving the ball away plenty in dangerous positions
posted on 20/8/17
Agreed....yes wanyama was sloppy....but lloris should never have thrown...and as for getting beat near post..AGAIN.
posted on 20/8/17
I have no problem with Hugo quickly throwing the ball out, there was a decent attacking opportunity on (although it would've only released Sissoko...) but Wanyama was criminal - Lost the ball and then didn't bother to follow the man overlapping (Alonso), and Hugo was rubbish at his near post, again.
posted on 20/8/17
Wanyama was very poor today, but really Lloris should not have fed him with the ball in the first place, and should certainly have saved the shot. Shocking goalkeeping.
posted on 20/8/17
comment by junction8 (U1074)
posted 1 minute ago
Agreed....yes wanyama was sloppy....but lloris should never have thrown...and as for getting beat near post..AGAIN.
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Why shouldn't he have thrown the ball out? For once Chelsea had players up the pitch so we had space to attack. Simple one-touch pass required by Wanyama.
posted on 20/8/17
Lloris was very poor for the goal, but don't present the player the opportunity to score at such an important time in the game. He could have scored from that position without Lloris making as much of a mistake.
posted on 20/8/17
We are at "home" and dominated the game. I see no reason why we should have to play for a draw.
posted on 20/8/17
Baldy has to take blame as well. A big game like that and still the weak bench, having to bring on facking Sissoko who did nothing. Then again neither did Son. Chelsea didn't even have Hazard or Costa available.
posted on 20/8/17
To be fair the way Chelsea set up to defend we'd have needed to bring on someone like Mane, Sanchez or Dembele to run at them but yes, we do need better options than Sissoko, N'Koudou and Janssen
posted on 20/8/17
Simple one-touch pass required by Wanyama.
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Which he struggles with as always.
Lloris should have know better, had he have thrown it to the likes of Dembele then fair enough but he must know Wanyama is likely to give it away so Imo that makes Lloris as much to blame as Wanyama.
I would also blame Poch a bit because Wanyama was having a mare so why he did not leave Dier out there and take Wanyama off god only knows.
Yes Dier was on a yellow but thats not the point in my books Dier should be a good enough pro to allow for the fact that he was on a yellow.
posted on 20/8/17
comment by grandspurs (U3810)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Simple one-touch pass required by Wanyama.
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Which he struggles with as always.
Lloris should have know better, had he have thrown it to the likes of Dembele then fair enough but he must know Wanyama is likely to give it away so Imo that makes Lloris as much to blame as Wanyama.
I would also blame Poch a bit because Wanyama was having a mare so why he did not leave Dier out there and take Wanyama off god only knows.
Yes Dier was on a yellow but thats not the point in my books Dier should be a good enough pro to allow for the fact that he was on a yellow.
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Both errors were those I wouldn't expect from pro footballers. The throw wasn't at an awkward height or pace so Wanyama could have just cushioned it with the instep to Sissoko. Lloris just needed to use his legs to make the save, at worst it could have gone through his legs, can't be diving over the ball
posted on 20/8/17
Its well known that you are at your most vulnerable just after you score, thats a fact. Look at the way goals are scored in games and the amount of times the goals are 2 or 3 minutes apart is bizarre.
Lloris should never have made that throw even tho a better footballer than Wanyama would not have given it away.
Lloris as captain should know better as for his "efforts" to stop the shot well............................enough said
posted on 20/8/17
A lot to ponder here.
First, I think Pochettino has to take some blame.
Settling for a draw might have been a good strategy.
I suppose Lloris was simply following Pochettino's thinking - both backs gone off, attack. So throw to Wanyama, well sometimes wot happened happens. But then he's totally exposed and has to cover both the shot (less likely) and the center to whoever it was. Well he got caught. Yes, he could have done better, but he's not entirely to blame. Frankly, I blame Pochettino.
posted on 20/8/17
Poch cannot be blamed for players decisions on the pitch if you watched it he was as angry as we were
posted on 20/8/17
The initial mistake was the lack of awareness from Wanyama, Lloris compounded it with the poor attempt at making the save
posted on 20/8/17
comment by grandspurs (U3810)
posted 2 minutes ago
Poch cannot be blamed for players decisions on the pitch if you watched it he was as angry as we were
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Of course Pochettino was angry. He didn't plan for wot happened. But my point is that his over time strategy of substitutions to go for a win left the GK exposed. And then wot happened is likely to happen.
A draw would have been good thinking when we got the own goal.
posted on 20/8/17
He didn't plan for wot happened. But my point is that his over time strategy of substitutions to go for a win
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He went for a win by bringing Sissoko on?????
Thats the weirdest tactical move I have ever heard of
posted on 21/8/17
comment by grandspurs (U3810)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
He didn't plan for wot happened. But my point is that his over time strategy of substitutions to go for a win
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He went for a win by bringing Sissoko on?????
Thats the weirdest tactical move I have ever heard of
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He subbed Trippier, he subbed Davies.
Wot else do you think he was intending, other than going all out for a goal and a second one?
I can't speak to your opinion of Sissoko, except to say that it certainly differs from Pochettino's opinion!
posted on 21/8/17
I can't speak to your opinion of Sissoko, except to say that it certainly differs from Pochettino's opinion!
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I dont think it does that is why he rarely if ever starts a game
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