He should have exactly the same punishment as a normal person. Nothing extra just to satisfy the social media warriors.
comment by 'My names Fred, I give head. Now we know what was being smoked at the Emirates #oxcox (U3979)
posted 4 minutes ago
He should have exactly the same punishment as a normal person. Nothing extra just to satisfy the social media warriors.
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^ this
Have no love for Rooney (far from it!) but to discriminate against someone because they happen to be famous is very Daily Mail
Furthermore the rich can afford the best legal defence.
if he was black or played for Arsenal he'd been in jail...fact
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment by Feyenoord Champions (U1250)
posted 5 minutes ago
Prison is way over the top imo for this. 2 year ban and 100 ours is a good punishment.
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Would you be happy with this had he hit someone you know?
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No of course not but that's not what happened. If he'd hit someone he'd be punished differently.
comment by IanWrightWrightWright (U12750)
posted 21 minutes ago
if he was black or played for Arsenal he'd been in jail...fact
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“….In surmising the Judge cited the reasons for handing Wayne Rooney a life sentence, were due his affiliation to Arsenal Football Club and the colour of his skin…”
comment by IanWrightWrightWright (U12750)
posted 22 minutes ago
if he was black or played for Arsenal he'd been in jail...fact
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what if he was black AND played for Arsenal?
comment by Half a Big Bite - The Studge Don't Budge! (U7237)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by IanWrightWrightWright (U12750)
posted 22 minutes ago
if he was black or played for Arsenal he'd been in jail...fact
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what if he was black AND played for Arsenal?
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That would never happen, come on half a bite!!
The 100 hours community service will hit him hard though. After living such a pampered existence for over half his life the humiliation of having to put on a high vis and do something like litter picking is much worse than a big fine. Not worse than jail granted.
comment by 'My names Fred, I give head. Now we know what was being smoked at the Emirates #oxcox (U3979)
posted 42 minutes ago
He should have exactly the same punishment as a normal person. Nothing extra just to satisfy the social media warriors.
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Why is that exactly? Disgraceful as it still is, at least a "normal" person does have the paper thin justification of "I couldn't afford a taxi to/from Manchester, so I risked driving." Rooney can literally afford to simply make a phonecall any time of day or night and be picked up by a fleet of limousines, if he so chooses.
His near limitless finance means he's openly chosen to risk the lives of others when he didn't have any reason at all to do so. Christ if ya Wayne Rooney I'm pretty sure almost any cabby from the red side of Manchester or blue side of Liverpool would drop you anywhere you wanna go and let you fix him up later.
Being rich AND famous he has even more options to choose from so absolutely no excuse. Which is why him drinking and driving is so much more despicable than your average, poor as the rest of us, drunk idiot.
Wasn't be he caught with that bird? If so I'd argue he didn't want to risk being caught or reported by an uber driver to the tabloids. No excuse at all, but might have been why he chose to drive.
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 6 minutes ago
The 100 hours community service will hit him hard though. After living such a pampered existence for over half his life the humiliation of having to put on a high vis and do something like litter picking is much worse than a big fine. Not worse than jail granted.
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Na, he won't be street sweeping like poor crims have to. He'll be going around schools and colleges giving talks and crap. Probably as part of a behind closed doors agreement about his sentencing with a guilty plea. Wink wink, nudge nudge.
Pep
Are you advocating (which appears to be the case) legal rights should be taken away from someone due to their wealth? What would (in your opinion) the total net worth cut off point?
Or should rights be determined by celebrity status, and/or a combination of their wealth?
comment by Baz tardo (U19119)
posted 49 seconds ago
Wasn't be he caught with that bird? If so I'd argue he didn't want to risk being caught or reported by an uber driver to the tabloids. No excuse at all, but might have been why he chose to drive.
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Just need to call the rich exclusive limo company who charge a packet but keep you shlt on a D-low. Trust me, they keep high level government perv secrets so keeping quiet about who Rooney is bedding is a minor thing. Call them, tell them send a low profile car, job done. He just don't give enough of a feck about other people's lives to make a goddam phonecall.
Lethally and deadly Selfish. Just like all drunk driving s.
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 20 minutes ago
The 100 hours community service will hit him hard though. After living such a pampered existence for over half his life the humiliation of having to put on a high vis and do something like litter picking is much worse than a big fine. Not worse than jail granted.
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And it's usually early morning so he will have to do it with his hangovers
comment by Pep The Final Straw!! (Formerly WB2) (U8276)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Baz tardo (U19119)
posted 49 seconds ago
Wasn't be he caught with that bird? If so I'd argue he didn't want to risk being caught or reported by an uber driver to the tabloids. No excuse at all, but might have been why he chose to drive.
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Just need to call the rich exclusive limo company who charge a packet but keep you shlt on a D-low. Trust me, they keep high level government perv secrets so keeping quiet about who Rooney is bedding is a minor thing. Call them, tell them send a low profile car, job done. He just don't give enough of a feck about other people's lives to make a goddam phonecall.
Lethally and deadly Selfish. Just like all drunk drivings.
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Agreed. I wasn't making an excuse for him.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 7 minutes ago
Pep
Are you advocating (which appears to be the case) legal rights should be taken away from someone due to their wealth? What would (in your opinion) the total net worth cut off point?
Or should rights be determined by celebrity status, and/or a combination of their wealth?
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No just that their wealth be a circumstance taken into account where it could have been a preventing factor. In this case Rooney has committed a worse crime due to having so many more choices.
The poor drunk 50 miles from home with no money has 2 choices, sleep in the car in the middle of nowhere. Or risk driving. Though he's guilty too, his crime is not as bad as the stinking rich man who had 58 choices to his 3 and ignored each one to get in the car.
With this particular crime yes, anyone rich enough to pay for a taxi to anywhere on earth...dude ya DAM RIGHT they should get a heavier sentence than someone who couldn't afford a bus 10 miles. That isn't taking away their legal rights at all it's just holding them accountable for each extra choice they dismissed to get into that motor.
If that's the maximum punishment then it's not the judges fault it's the laws itself. Drink-driving is a serious offence but he shouldn't be punished more severely because he's a footballer. Doesn't matter if he's loaded or not, anyone who can afford to drink can also afford to get a cab, über, tube, train or bus.
Wonder if they'll give Kirsty Gallacher this story at all on sky sports news today
Maybe he should be ordered to pay a fine in line with his wages, so it actually feels like a substantial punishment for him. Think it's something they do in Scandinavian countries, you get fined as a percentage of what you earn so it's fair punishment for everyone. Whereas here often you see rich footballers get fined like £200, which is basically nothing for them, where that can seem loads to someone on minimum wage. Should have to pay at least a couple weeks wages
comment by Ledders' knee surgeon - Football Manager Icon. (U20121)
posted 3 minutes ago
If that's the maximum punishment then it's not the judges fault it's the laws itself. Drink-driving is a serious offence but he shouldn't be punished more severely because he's a footballer. Doesn't matter if he's loaded or not, anyone who can afford to drink can also afford to get a cab, über, tube, train or bus.
Wonder if they'll give Kirsty Gallacher this story at all on sky sports news today
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He definitely hasn't had the maximum sentence for his offense. He apparently can't be sent to jail. However he certainly could have been punished alot harder than he was.
Being rich AND famous gives you more choices so by definition more reason not to commit the crime. That in turn makes you more culpable than the person who had their choices more limited by not being able to finance an abundance of other options.
If some guy stole a tenner off you and you chased him to his house, where you found him and his family starving due to hideous poverty. I am pretty sure you would react very differently compared to catching a thief who stole your tenner and you chased him home to find a plush house with a full fridge and a stack of his own tenner on his coffee table.
Why would you react differently? Because the second thief didn't even need your money. Just took it to be a Different crime but same principle. Throw the book at em all IMO. And the rich and famous should get this particular book thrown at them harder than anyone "normally" poor.
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 12 minutes ago
Maybe he should be ordered to pay a fine in line with his wages, so it actually feels like a substantial punishment for him. Think it's something they do in Scandinavian countries, you get fined as a percentage of what you earn so it's fair punishment for everyone. Whereas here often you see rich footballers get fined like £200, which is basically nothing for them, where that can seem loads to someone on minimum wage. Should have to pay at least a couple weeks wages
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Fine him 1 years wages. He can afford it. And every penny should go to victims of drunk drivers.
"The poor drunk 50 miles from home with no money has 2 choices, sleep in the car in the middle of nowhere. Or risk driving."
Bullshit. He has just as many choices. He's already f-cked most of them by getting drunk, 50 miles from home, apparently on his own, with no thought how he is going to get home.
Generally, punishments for motoring offences are far too soft.
This isn't about Rooney, it's about a broken legal system.
I think it's more about the screwed relationship we have with alcohol in society generally.
HenrysCat (U3608)
It's not just alcohol related offences where people get off lightly, though.
Fact is; if everyone who COULD get done for drink driving was done, and they all got the life time bans or prison sentences some are advocating here, this country would pretty much grind to a halt.
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posted on 18/9/17
He should have exactly the same punishment as a normal person. Nothing extra just to satisfy the social media warriors.
posted on 18/9/17
comment by 'My names Fred, I give head. Now we know what was being smoked at the Emirates #oxcox (U3979)
posted 4 minutes ago
He should have exactly the same punishment as a normal person. Nothing extra just to satisfy the social media warriors.
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^ this
Have no love for Rooney (far from it!) but to discriminate against someone because they happen to be famous is very Daily Mail
Furthermore the rich can afford the best legal defence.
posted on 18/9/17
if he was black or played for Arsenal he'd been in jail...fact
posted on 18/9/17
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment by Feyenoord Champions (U1250)
posted 5 minutes ago
Prison is way over the top imo for this. 2 year ban and 100 ours is a good punishment.
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Would you be happy with this had he hit someone you know?
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No of course not but that's not what happened. If he'd hit someone he'd be punished differently.
posted on 18/9/17
comment by IanWrightWrightWright (U12750)
posted 21 minutes ago
if he was black or played for Arsenal he'd been in jail...fact
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“….In surmising the Judge cited the reasons for handing Wayne Rooney a life sentence, were due his affiliation to Arsenal Football Club and the colour of his skin…”
posted on 18/9/17
comment by IanWrightWrightWright (U12750)
posted 22 minutes ago
if he was black or played for Arsenal he'd been in jail...fact
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what if he was black AND played for Arsenal?
posted on 18/9/17
comment by Half a Big Bite - The Studge Don't Budge! (U7237)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by IanWrightWrightWright (U12750)
posted 22 minutes ago
if he was black or played for Arsenal he'd been in jail...fact
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what if he was black AND played for Arsenal?
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That would never happen, come on half a bite!!
posted on 18/9/17
The 100 hours community service will hit him hard though. After living such a pampered existence for over half his life the humiliation of having to put on a high vis and do something like litter picking is much worse than a big fine. Not worse than jail granted.
posted on 18/9/17
comment by 'My names Fred, I give head. Now we know what was being smoked at the Emirates #oxcox (U3979)
posted 42 minutes ago
He should have exactly the same punishment as a normal person. Nothing extra just to satisfy the social media warriors.
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Why is that exactly? Disgraceful as it still is, at least a "normal" person does have the paper thin justification of "I couldn't afford a taxi to/from Manchester, so I risked driving." Rooney can literally afford to simply make a phonecall any time of day or night and be picked up by a fleet of limousines, if he so chooses.
His near limitless finance means he's openly chosen to risk the lives of others when he didn't have any reason at all to do so. Christ if ya Wayne Rooney I'm pretty sure almost any cabby from the red side of Manchester or blue side of Liverpool would drop you anywhere you wanna go and let you fix him up later.
Being rich AND famous he has even more options to choose from so absolutely no excuse. Which is why him drinking and driving is so much more despicable than your average, poor as the rest of us, drunk idiot.
posted on 18/9/17
Wasn't be he caught with that bird? If so I'd argue he didn't want to risk being caught or reported by an uber driver to the tabloids. No excuse at all, but might have been why he chose to drive.
posted on 18/9/17
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 6 minutes ago
The 100 hours community service will hit him hard though. After living such a pampered existence for over half his life the humiliation of having to put on a high vis and do something like litter picking is much worse than a big fine. Not worse than jail granted.
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Na, he won't be street sweeping like poor crims have to. He'll be going around schools and colleges giving talks and crap. Probably as part of a behind closed doors agreement about his sentencing with a guilty plea. Wink wink, nudge nudge.
posted on 18/9/17
Pep
Are you advocating (which appears to be the case) legal rights should be taken away from someone due to their wealth? What would (in your opinion) the total net worth cut off point?
Or should rights be determined by celebrity status, and/or a combination of their wealth?
posted on 18/9/17
comment by Baz tardo (U19119)
posted 49 seconds ago
Wasn't be he caught with that bird? If so I'd argue he didn't want to risk being caught or reported by an uber driver to the tabloids. No excuse at all, but might have been why he chose to drive.
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Just need to call the rich exclusive limo company who charge a packet but keep you shlt on a D-low. Trust me, they keep high level government perv secrets so keeping quiet about who Rooney is bedding is a minor thing. Call them, tell them send a low profile car, job done. He just don't give enough of a feck about other people's lives to make a goddam phonecall.
Lethally and deadly Selfish. Just like all drunk driving s.
posted on 18/9/17
comment by Brother (U20548)
posted 20 minutes ago
The 100 hours community service will hit him hard though. After living such a pampered existence for over half his life the humiliation of having to put on a high vis and do something like litter picking is much worse than a big fine. Not worse than jail granted.
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And it's usually early morning so he will have to do it with his hangovers
posted on 18/9/17
comment by Pep The Final Straw!! (Formerly WB2) (U8276)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Baz tardo (U19119)
posted 49 seconds ago
Wasn't be he caught with that bird? If so I'd argue he didn't want to risk being caught or reported by an uber driver to the tabloids. No excuse at all, but might have been why he chose to drive.
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Just need to call the rich exclusive limo company who charge a packet but keep you shlt on a D-low. Trust me, they keep high level government perv secrets so keeping quiet about who Rooney is bedding is a minor thing. Call them, tell them send a low profile car, job done. He just don't give enough of a feck about other people's lives to make a goddam phonecall.
Lethally and deadly Selfish. Just like all drunk drivings.
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Agreed. I wasn't making an excuse for him.
posted on 18/9/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 7 minutes ago
Pep
Are you advocating (which appears to be the case) legal rights should be taken away from someone due to their wealth? What would (in your opinion) the total net worth cut off point?
Or should rights be determined by celebrity status, and/or a combination of their wealth?
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No just that their wealth be a circumstance taken into account where it could have been a preventing factor. In this case Rooney has committed a worse crime due to having so many more choices.
The poor drunk 50 miles from home with no money has 2 choices, sleep in the car in the middle of nowhere. Or risk driving. Though he's guilty too, his crime is not as bad as the stinking rich man who had 58 choices to his 3 and ignored each one to get in the car.
With this particular crime yes, anyone rich enough to pay for a taxi to anywhere on earth...dude ya DAM RIGHT they should get a heavier sentence than someone who couldn't afford a bus 10 miles. That isn't taking away their legal rights at all it's just holding them accountable for each extra choice they dismissed to get into that motor.
posted on 18/9/17
If that's the maximum punishment then it's not the judges fault it's the laws itself. Drink-driving is a serious offence but he shouldn't be punished more severely because he's a footballer. Doesn't matter if he's loaded or not, anyone who can afford to drink can also afford to get a cab, über, tube, train or bus.
Wonder if they'll give Kirsty Gallacher this story at all on sky sports news today
posted on 18/9/17
Maybe he should be ordered to pay a fine in line with his wages, so it actually feels like a substantial punishment for him. Think it's something they do in Scandinavian countries, you get fined as a percentage of what you earn so it's fair punishment for everyone. Whereas here often you see rich footballers get fined like £200, which is basically nothing for them, where that can seem loads to someone on minimum wage. Should have to pay at least a couple weeks wages
posted on 18/9/17
comment by Ledders' knee surgeon - Football Manager Icon. (U20121)
posted 3 minutes ago
If that's the maximum punishment then it's not the judges fault it's the laws itself. Drink-driving is a serious offence but he shouldn't be punished more severely because he's a footballer. Doesn't matter if he's loaded or not, anyone who can afford to drink can also afford to get a cab, über, tube, train or bus.
Wonder if they'll give Kirsty Gallacher this story at all on sky sports news today
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He definitely hasn't had the maximum sentence for his offense. He apparently can't be sent to jail. However he certainly could have been punished alot harder than he was.
Being rich AND famous gives you more choices so by definition more reason not to commit the crime. That in turn makes you more culpable than the person who had their choices more limited by not being able to finance an abundance of other options.
If some guy stole a tenner off you and you chased him to his house, where you found him and his family starving due to hideous poverty. I am pretty sure you would react very differently compared to catching a thief who stole your tenner and you chased him home to find a plush house with a full fridge and a stack of his own tenner on his coffee table.
Why would you react differently? Because the second thief didn't even need your money. Just took it to be a Different crime but same principle. Throw the book at em all IMO. And the rich and famous should get this particular book thrown at them harder than anyone "normally" poor.
posted on 18/9/17
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 12 minutes ago
Maybe he should be ordered to pay a fine in line with his wages, so it actually feels like a substantial punishment for him. Think it's something they do in Scandinavian countries, you get fined as a percentage of what you earn so it's fair punishment for everyone. Whereas here often you see rich footballers get fined like £200, which is basically nothing for them, where that can seem loads to someone on minimum wage. Should have to pay at least a couple weeks wages
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Fine him 1 years wages. He can afford it. And every penny should go to victims of drunk drivers.
posted on 18/9/17
"The poor drunk 50 miles from home with no money has 2 choices, sleep in the car in the middle of nowhere. Or risk driving."
Bullshit. He has just as many choices. He's already f-cked most of them by getting drunk, 50 miles from home, apparently on his own, with no thought how he is going to get home.
posted on 18/9/17
Generally, punishments for motoring offences are far too soft.
This isn't about Rooney, it's about a broken legal system.
posted on 18/9/17
I think it's more about the screwed relationship we have with alcohol in society generally.
posted on 18/9/17
HenrysCat (U3608)
It's not just alcohol related offences where people get off lightly, though.
posted on 18/9/17
Fact is; if everyone who COULD get done for drink driving was done, and they all got the life time bans or prison sentences some are advocating here, this country would pretty much grind to a halt.
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