Fabregas hasn't been great, carried by his team mates to 2 titles.
Ozil had a very good season the time you came 2nd, but underwhelming otherwise.
Fabregas on the other hand was integral to Chelsea's first PL win when he was at the club, and has been a consistent contributor since.
Considering Arsenal's biggest weakness for the past 5/6 years has been midfield, then Fabregas would certainly have been the better option.
There has never been a more overrated "star player" in Arsenal than Ozil by his fangirls. I've never thought he was anything other than one of our best players, but I've never put him on the pedestal his fangirls did and this daft overhype made me sub-consciously more overly critical and a tad resentful of him.
The big shame is that he'll be leaving us for absolutely nothing, but I honestly don't give a sheite that he'll leave us. It says it all about his current stock that no club was interested in him even though it was clear he wanted out.
Fabregas is the better player and would have had a far bigger impact on our team if he returned to us after Barca
Fabregas hasn't been great, carried by his team mates to 2 titles.
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He was brilliant for at least half the season when Maureen won the title with Chelsea. Sure, he faded in the 2nd half of the season, but so did most of the Chelsea team.
Rumours going around that Mourinho wants to sign Ozil on a free next summer. Personally i don't think he's cut out for PL football. Perhaps a move back to Spain would suit his style of play better.
Fabregas hasn't been great, carried by his team mates to 2 titles.
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so bitter, he was incredibly important in his 1st season there when they won the title
Prime Fabregas > prime Ozil...everyday.
Personally I believe it was more to do with Fabregas burning his bridges at Arsenal to engineer his move to Barca.
Both great players in their own right but not so sure Arsenal would have been any better with Fabregas in the side (instead of Ozil) given their defensive shortcomings.
Something which neither Fabregas or Ozil would address.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 23 seconds ago
Personally I believe it was more to do with Fabregas burning his bridges at Arsenal to engineer his move to Barca.
Both great players in their own right but not so sure Arsenal would have been any better with Fabregas in the side (instead of Ozil) given their defensive shortcomings.
Something which neither Fabregas or Ozil would address.
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This is where I disagree, I think Arsenal look exponentially better with Cazorla in midfield, and don't see him as too dissimilar to Fabregas. Cazorla-Coq was a solid partnership, I believe Fab-Coq (lol) would be equally as solid.
Wouldn't say Fabregas was carried by his team mates in his first season at Chelsea.
Ozil's a great player, but he just isn't made to be consistent in this league, especially not with the wimpy midfields he's had to play in front of.
Cesc was a lot better for us than Ozil has been.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 40 minutes ago
Fabregas hasn't been great, carried by his team mates to 2 titles.
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Are you mad?
There's nothing to suggest that Ozil and Cesc couldn't play together in the same team. In fact, as Edin has pointed out, the real comparison would have been with Cazorla, not Ozil.
What stands out to me is cesc has dropped that flat track bully approach and seems to be reliable no matter the occasion. he's been a fantastic signing.
When was Cesc a flat track bully?
Cazorla and Fabregas are two very different players. Santi can wriggle his way out of many tight spots and dribble his way up the pitch and release players from there. Cesc can't do that, him and Ozil in the same midfield would be curtains.
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
When was Cesc a flat track bully?
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A lot of people thought he was good in games against lesser teams but went missing against the top teams or in big games
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
When was Cesc a flat track bully?
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A lot of people thought he was good in games against lesser teams but went missing against the top teams or in big games
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For Arsenal?
Dunno, heard it alot when he first came to chelsea.
Probably come from his arsenal days where arsenal are the flat track bullies
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 23 seconds ago
Personally I believe it was more to do with Fabregas burning his bridges at Arsenal to engineer his move to Barca.
Both great players in their own right but not so sure Arsenal would have been any better with Fabregas in the side (instead of Ozil) given their defensive shortcomings.
Something which neither Fabregas or Ozil would address.
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This is where I disagree, I think Arsenal look exponentially better with Cazorla in midfield, and don't see him as too dissimilar to Fabregas. Cazorla-Coq was a solid partnership, I believe Fab-Coq (lol) would be equally as solid.
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Much like Ozil, Fabregas has often been found wanting defensively. Wherever he has played.
Since joining AFC, I believe Ozil has consistently been in the top five in the five major European leagues for creating chances. Yet much like Fabregas he’s a busted flush without the ball.
Ozil has played out wide for Germany, and as others have suggested Arsenal may have been able to accommodate both. However I think the main issue with Fabregas returning to AFC was not specifically related to his ability as a football player. Or certainly not the only issue.
Cazorla is hardly fantastic defensively in CM though? Yet did a great job
The reason the term 'assists' was created was because of Fabregas. Unreal player with arguably the best vision in football.
Our whole team lacks any kind of defensive organisation, so it's hard to lay the blame on any individual player, whether that be Ozil or Cesc.
Doubt it would've made any difference, we would still be powder puff in midfield.
comment by Wengersaurus (U8691)
posted 35 minutes ago
Doubt it would've made any difference, we would still be powder puff in midfield.
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posted on 28/9/17
Fabregas hasn't been great, carried by his team mates to 2 titles.
posted on 28/9/17
Ozil had a very good season the time you came 2nd, but underwhelming otherwise.
Fabregas on the other hand was integral to Chelsea's first PL win when he was at the club, and has been a consistent contributor since.
Considering Arsenal's biggest weakness for the past 5/6 years has been midfield, then Fabregas would certainly have been the better option.
posted on 28/9/17
There has never been a more overrated "star player" in Arsenal than Ozil by his fangirls. I've never thought he was anything other than one of our best players, but I've never put him on the pedestal his fangirls did and this daft overhype made me sub-consciously more overly critical and a tad resentful of him.
The big shame is that he'll be leaving us for absolutely nothing, but I honestly don't give a sheite that he'll leave us. It says it all about his current stock that no club was interested in him even though it was clear he wanted out.
posted on 28/9/17
Fabregas is the better player and would have had a far bigger impact on our team if he returned to us after Barca
posted on 28/9/17
Fabregas hasn't been great, carried by his team mates to 2 titles.
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He was brilliant for at least half the season when Maureen won the title with Chelsea. Sure, he faded in the 2nd half of the season, but so did most of the Chelsea team.
posted on 28/9/17
Rumours going around that Mourinho wants to sign Ozil on a free next summer. Personally i don't think he's cut out for PL football. Perhaps a move back to Spain would suit his style of play better.
posted on 28/9/17
Fabregas hasn't been great, carried by his team mates to 2 titles.
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so bitter, he was incredibly important in his 1st season there when they won the title
posted on 28/9/17
Prime Fabregas > prime Ozil...everyday.
posted on 28/9/17
Personally I believe it was more to do with Fabregas burning his bridges at Arsenal to engineer his move to Barca.
Both great players in their own right but not so sure Arsenal would have been any better with Fabregas in the side (instead of Ozil) given their defensive shortcomings.
Something which neither Fabregas or Ozil would address.
posted on 28/9/17
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 23 seconds ago
Personally I believe it was more to do with Fabregas burning his bridges at Arsenal to engineer his move to Barca.
Both great players in their own right but not so sure Arsenal would have been any better with Fabregas in the side (instead of Ozil) given their defensive shortcomings.
Something which neither Fabregas or Ozil would address.
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This is where I disagree, I think Arsenal look exponentially better with Cazorla in midfield, and don't see him as too dissimilar to Fabregas. Cazorla-Coq was a solid partnership, I believe Fab-Coq (lol) would be equally as solid.
posted on 28/9/17
Wouldn't say Fabregas was carried by his team mates in his first season at Chelsea.
Ozil's a great player, but he just isn't made to be consistent in this league, especially not with the wimpy midfields he's had to play in front of.
Cesc was a lot better for us than Ozil has been.
posted on 28/9/17
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 40 minutes ago
Fabregas hasn't been great, carried by his team mates to 2 titles.
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Are you mad?
posted on 28/9/17
There's nothing to suggest that Ozil and Cesc couldn't play together in the same team. In fact, as Edin has pointed out, the real comparison would have been with Cazorla, not Ozil.
posted on 28/9/17
What stands out to me is cesc has dropped that flat track bully approach and seems to be reliable no matter the occasion. he's been a fantastic signing.
posted on 28/9/17
When was Cesc a flat track bully?
posted on 28/9/17
Cazorla and Fabregas are two very different players. Santi can wriggle his way out of many tight spots and dribble his way up the pitch and release players from there. Cesc can't do that, him and Ozil in the same midfield would be curtains.
posted on 28/9/17
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
When was Cesc a flat track bully?
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A lot of people thought he was good in games against lesser teams but went missing against the top teams or in big games
posted on 28/9/17
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
When was Cesc a flat track bully?
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A lot of people thought he was good in games against lesser teams but went missing against the top teams or in big games
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For Arsenal?
posted on 28/9/17
Dunno, heard it alot when he first came to chelsea.
Probably come from his arsenal days where arsenal are the flat track bullies
posted on 28/9/17
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 23 seconds ago
Personally I believe it was more to do with Fabregas burning his bridges at Arsenal to engineer his move to Barca.
Both great players in their own right but not so sure Arsenal would have been any better with Fabregas in the side (instead of Ozil) given their defensive shortcomings.
Something which neither Fabregas or Ozil would address.
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This is where I disagree, I think Arsenal look exponentially better with Cazorla in midfield, and don't see him as too dissimilar to Fabregas. Cazorla-Coq was a solid partnership, I believe Fab-Coq (lol) would be equally as solid.
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Much like Ozil, Fabregas has often been found wanting defensively. Wherever he has played.
Since joining AFC, I believe Ozil has consistently been in the top five in the five major European leagues for creating chances. Yet much like Fabregas he’s a busted flush without the ball.
Ozil has played out wide for Germany, and as others have suggested Arsenal may have been able to accommodate both. However I think the main issue with Fabregas returning to AFC was not specifically related to his ability as a football player. Or certainly not the only issue.
posted on 28/9/17
Cazorla is hardly fantastic defensively in CM though? Yet did a great job
posted on 28/9/17
The reason the term 'assists' was created was because of Fabregas. Unreal player with arguably the best vision in football.
posted on 28/9/17
Our whole team lacks any kind of defensive organisation, so it's hard to lay the blame on any individual player, whether that be Ozil or Cesc.
posted on 28/9/17
Doubt it would've made any difference, we would still be powder puff in midfield.
posted on 28/9/17
comment by Wengersaurus (U8691)
posted 35 minutes ago
Doubt it would've made any difference, we would still be powder puff in midfield.
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