It depends what the remit is he's been given really. if he's been told to prioritise winning as much as possible for a couple of years, then I wouldn't use youngsters much either (bear in mind we have a pretty young squad now anyway).
I think it will be a year or two before we really get the calibre of youth players he is after that are capable of it though, it really is on the player and whether they are at the appropriate level or not. I think Foden will get a few games this year.
mancini (U7179)
Using the pitiful state of the Premier League as a benchmark is really not the point.
I've always regarded Guardiola as a coach that is able to work with youth and integrate players into the first team, combining them with big money signings.
If he isn't going to do that at City then I'll regard it as a disappointment.
I can't wait for the City v Spurs game in December.
City wiped the floor with us at the Etihad in the 2-2 game, Pep outdid Poch there, but Poch had the better of the WHL game.
Hopefully Rose will be fit and ready to roll by then, against Walker. Aurier will hopefully have settled too and Mendy will be back to resume their Ligue 1 rivalry.
Good battles across the pitch and the coaches
meltonblue (U10617)
Of course, but are we really going to believe that you don't have any players in the youth set up who would be as capable as some of your 'lesser' squad members?
It's not as if he inherited a diabolical youth set up.
Time will tell - it's early days, but 2 to 3 years with no development on this front would be a disappointment for me.
Sometimes you have to take a gamble with youth. Nobody would have told you from United's academy that Rashford was ready to make the impact he did and has.
I'm agreeing with you winston, but right now, no I don't think we do, at least not to be starters. Guardiola has always said he will play any player based on merit. At the minute, he isn't going to play Foden if he has De Bruyne, Gundogan, Silva and Silva to choose from, aside from in the league cup or if we have an injury crisis. When Silva either moves on or retires, then the hope is that Foden is ready to take a first team slot full time, ditto with some of the other positions.
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 4 seconds ago
Sometimes you have to take a gamble with youth. Nobody would have told you from United's academy that Rashford was ready to make the impact he did and has.
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A fair few would have to be fair and he's a prime example of someone that had an opportunity and took it. It still took a few things to happen for him to have that opportunity.
meltonblue (U10617)
Yes, but clearly there are other positions on the pitch where you're not as strong.
Well, you weren't as strong before you splashed the cash!
True, but we didn't have any youth players ready in those positions either (at least, not unless expectations were revised downwards)
meltonblue (U10617)
Well, being 'ready' is subjective.
As discussed above - Rashford was thrown in because of injury problems - probably wouldn't have been otherwise.
The top clubs in England have lost their bottle when it comes to giving youth a try.
It is and also a matter of circumstance, as you say
Given the money the cl brings nowadays and the pressure on managers to deliver short term results as a consequence (Rashford has fared better than his manager did for example), I can see why they don't prioritise youth. I have long argued about this though and that I don't like the overall direction, it's the nature of modern day football.
meltonblue (U10617)
I don't really agree.
As a country, we've convinced ourselves that 'the kids' are a big gamble.
Well, I'd argue that it's no more of a gamble than bringing in players who have never played in the Premier League from all over the world - typically who have played at a level below the best clubs across Europe.
I think the big clubs attitude to youngsters is nothing short of a disgrace, frankly.
I'm pretty sure you are agreeing then Winston aren't you, as I said I wasn't happy with the approach of the big clubs either?
meltonblue (U10617)
Well no, because I don't see why they do it.
Ah ok.
I agree with that outside of the big clubs as the standard of player they are bringing in is less. Not sure I agree about the big clubs though, I can see why they do it, I just don't like it.
meltonblue (U10617)
I reckon we could both reel off a fair few names from the top 5-6 clubs that could fit into that category.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 hours, 53 minutes ago
meltonblue (U10617)
I don't really agree.
As a country, we've convinced ourselves that 'the kids' are a big gamble.
Well, I'd argue that it's no more of a gamble than bringing in players who have never played in the Premier League from all over the world - typically who have played at a level below the best clubs across Europe.
I think the big clubs attitude to youngsters is nothing short of a disgrace, frankly.
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Messi, Neymar, Ronaldo etc.... were once kids ye know
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posted 6 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by PutSomeSensibleNameHere (U21629)
posted 32 minutes ago
Islamaphobe. Admiral Akbar etc
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How is that islamaphobic Ffs maf you really need help.
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You are an Islamaphobe , don't deny
comment by PutSomeSensibleNameHere (U21629)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 6 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by PutSomeSensibleNameHere (U21629)
posted 32 minutes ago
Islamaphobe. Admiral Akbar etc
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How is that islamaphobic Ffs maf you really need help.
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You are an Islamaphobe , don't deny
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Show me any proof but we know you can’t so stop lying to me and yourself.
Put up or shut up you wierd little person.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41223990
Man City have most expensive squad in football, says CIES Football Observatory
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Poor Man City they don't have any £80m players
No... They have £60mil Sterlings
comment by PutSomeSensibleNameHere (U21629)
posted 1 minute ago
No... They have £60mil Sterlings
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Proving your grip on numbers is as strong as your grip on the English language maf.
And poor haf he never has owned a proper match ticket.
Another plastic spouting off from his keyboard where he watches all his matches
At least I know the difference between "there", "their", and "they're"
Mangala £40mil
"Yes, I thought I was joining Manchester United. I wasn't aware there was another Manchester club." - Robinho
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Poor Man City, the first signing under new owners and one of the first things he said was about signing for Man Utd No wonder he said about Man Utd before as he didn't know about Man City.
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 59 minutes ago
"Yes, I thought I was joining Manchester United. I wasn't aware there was another Manchester club." - Robinho
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Poor Man City, the first signing under new owners and one of the first things he said was about signing for Man UtdNo wonder he said about Man Utd before as he didn't know about Man City.
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If you cared about them that much why do you never bother to buy a ticket and actually support them haf.
You are the worst kind of fake fan, always talking never supporting.
And maf you beg the admins to let you back on the site after a ban for racist remarks.
No matter how it’s spelt you are still a sick racist.
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posted on 4/10/17
It depends what the remit is he's been given really. if he's been told to prioritise winning as much as possible for a couple of years, then I wouldn't use youngsters much either (bear in mind we have a pretty young squad now anyway).
I think it will be a year or two before we really get the calibre of youth players he is after that are capable of it though, it really is on the player and whether they are at the appropriate level or not. I think Foden will get a few games this year.
posted on 4/10/17
mancini (U7179)
Using the pitiful state of the Premier League as a benchmark is really not the point.
I've always regarded Guardiola as a coach that is able to work with youth and integrate players into the first team, combining them with big money signings.
If he isn't going to do that at City then I'll regard it as a disappointment.
posted on 4/10/17
I can't wait for the City v Spurs game in December.
City wiped the floor with us at the Etihad in the 2-2 game, Pep outdid Poch there, but Poch had the better of the WHL game.
Hopefully Rose will be fit and ready to roll by then, against Walker. Aurier will hopefully have settled too and Mendy will be back to resume their Ligue 1 rivalry.
Good battles across the pitch and the coaches
posted on 4/10/17
meltonblue (U10617)
Of course, but are we really going to believe that you don't have any players in the youth set up who would be as capable as some of your 'lesser' squad members?
It's not as if he inherited a diabolical youth set up.
Time will tell - it's early days, but 2 to 3 years with no development on this front would be a disappointment for me.
posted on 4/10/17
Sometimes you have to take a gamble with youth. Nobody would have told you from United's academy that Rashford was ready to make the impact he did and has.
posted on 4/10/17
I'm agreeing with you winston, but right now, no I don't think we do, at least not to be starters. Guardiola has always said he will play any player based on merit. At the minute, he isn't going to play Foden if he has De Bruyne, Gundogan, Silva and Silva to choose from, aside from in the league cup or if we have an injury crisis. When Silva either moves on or retires, then the hope is that Foden is ready to take a first team slot full time, ditto with some of the other positions.
posted on 4/10/17
comment by Ruiney (U1005)
posted 4 seconds ago
Sometimes you have to take a gamble with youth. Nobody would have told you from United's academy that Rashford was ready to make the impact he did and has.
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A fair few would have to be fair and he's a prime example of someone that had an opportunity and took it. It still took a few things to happen for him to have that opportunity.
posted on 4/10/17
meltonblue (U10617)
Yes, but clearly there are other positions on the pitch where you're not as strong.
Well, you weren't as strong before you splashed the cash!
posted on 4/10/17
True, but we didn't have any youth players ready in those positions either (at least, not unless expectations were revised downwards)
posted on 4/10/17
meltonblue (U10617)
Well, being 'ready' is subjective.
As discussed above - Rashford was thrown in because of injury problems - probably wouldn't have been otherwise.
The top clubs in England have lost their bottle when it comes to giving youth a try.
posted on 4/10/17
It is and also a matter of circumstance, as you say
Given the money the cl brings nowadays and the pressure on managers to deliver short term results as a consequence (Rashford has fared better than his manager did for example), I can see why they don't prioritise youth. I have long argued about this though and that I don't like the overall direction, it's the nature of modern day football.
posted on 4/10/17
meltonblue (U10617)
I don't really agree.
As a country, we've convinced ourselves that 'the kids' are a big gamble.
Well, I'd argue that it's no more of a gamble than bringing in players who have never played in the Premier League from all over the world - typically who have played at a level below the best clubs across Europe.
I think the big clubs attitude to youngsters is nothing short of a disgrace, frankly.
posted on 4/10/17
I'm pretty sure you are agreeing then Winston aren't you, as I said I wasn't happy with the approach of the big clubs either?
posted on 4/10/17
meltonblue (U10617)
Well no, because I don't see why they do it.
posted on 4/10/17
Ah ok.
I agree with that outside of the big clubs as the standard of player they are bringing in is less. Not sure I agree about the big clubs though, I can see why they do it, I just don't like it.
posted on 4/10/17
meltonblue (U10617)
I reckon we could both reel off a fair few names from the top 5-6 clubs that could fit into that category.
posted on 4/10/17
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 hours, 53 minutes ago
meltonblue (U10617)
I don't really agree.
As a country, we've convinced ourselves that 'the kids' are a big gamble.
Well, I'd argue that it's no more of a gamble than bringing in players who have never played in the Premier League from all over the world - typically who have played at a level below the best clubs across Europe.
I think the big clubs attitude to youngsters is nothing short of a disgrace, frankly.
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Messi, Neymar, Ronaldo etc.... were once kids ye know
posted on 4/10/17
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 6 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by PutSomeSensibleNameHere (U21629)
posted 32 minutes ago
Islamaphobe. Admiral Akbar etc
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How is that islamaphobic Ffs maf you really need help.
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You are an Islamaphobe , don't deny
posted on 4/10/17
comment by PutSomeSensibleNameHere (U21629)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by LQ (U6305)
posted 6 hours, 45 minutes ago
comment by PutSomeSensibleNameHere (U21629)
posted 32 minutes ago
Islamaphobe. Admiral Akbar etc
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How is that islamaphobic Ffs maf you really need help.
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You are an Islamaphobe , don't deny
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Show me any proof but we know you can’t so stop lying to me and yourself.
Put up or shut up you wierd little person.
posted on 7/10/17
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/41223990
Man City have most expensive squad in football, says CIES Football Observatory
.........
Poor Man City they don't have any £80m players
posted on 8/10/17
No... They have £60mil Sterlings
posted on 8/10/17
comment by PutSomeSensibleNameHere (U21629)
posted 1 minute ago
No... They have £60mil Sterlings
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Proving your grip on numbers is as strong as your grip on the English language maf.
And poor haf he never has owned a proper match ticket.
Another plastic spouting off from his keyboard where he watches all his matches
posted on 8/10/17
At least I know the difference between "there", "their", and "they're"
Mangala £40mil
posted on 8/10/17
"Yes, I thought I was joining Manchester United. I wasn't aware there was another Manchester club." - Robinho
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Poor Man City, the first signing under new owners and one of the first things he said was about signing for Man Utd No wonder he said about Man Utd before as he didn't know about Man City.
posted on 8/10/17
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 59 minutes ago
"Yes, I thought I was joining Manchester United. I wasn't aware there was another Manchester club." - Robinho
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Poor Man City, the first signing under new owners and one of the first things he said was about signing for Man UtdNo wonder he said about Man Utd before as he didn't know about Man City.
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If you cared about them that much why do you never bother to buy a ticket and actually support them haf.
You are the worst kind of fake fan, always talking never supporting.
And maf you beg the admins to let you back on the site after a ban for racist remarks.
No matter how it’s spelt you are still a sick racist.
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