comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
And you do?
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No, which is why I don't make presumptuous statements.
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Its opinion. And its my opinion. Whether you agree with it or not is up to you. I am not posting to persuade you one way or the other.
This article is about an Arsenal ex-player who wanted to cause controversy by suggesting Arsenal appoint a manager known for a dire style of football to Arsenal. And as a Arsenal fan I gave my opinion on why its ludicrous based on my experience of watching Fat Sam, a manager with comparable style to Dyce to manage Arsenal.
Now it seems you are hell bent on an argument. Sorry but I am not interested in giving you one. Its much easier to abuse posters for the weak minded on this forum than have discussion on style or any substance related to the topic or discussion.
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 27 minutes ago
Dyche isn't like Pulis at all.
Pulis record away at the top teams is horrific. He's only had moderate success at home.
Dyche plays with men behind the ball (as it would be pretty silly not to) but when they attack they attack in numbers and with variety and it's proven to get results even against top opposition.
It's just lazy cliches to say he is like Pulis.
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My comparison to Pulis was about their total belief in the style and tactics they employ which is fundamentally set out not to get beaten rather than to entertain. (and its nothing wrong with that mentality as long as the fans of their respective teams are ok with it.) I wasn't actually comparing how they deploy their teams. Would Dyce be able to adjust to a more free flowing style that fans demand at Arsenal. I doubt it. In fact I doubt he would acceptable at any of the bigger clubs in the premier league. But I can only talk as a Arsenal fan.
Its opinion. And its my opinion.
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Formed with a severe lack of knowledge on the subject matter, and comments you have pulled out of your bottom.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 33 seconds ago
Its opinion. And its my opinion.
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Formed with a severe lack of knowledge on the subject matter, and comments you have pulled out of your bottom.
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See much easier to attack the poster. This type of wummery is really finishing of this site.
See much easier to attack the poster. This type of wummery is really finishing of this site.
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What ever.
This site isn't for you, if you don't like people pulling your comments apart when you make them up with no sound knowledge at all.
You have no idea how Dyche trains his team and then compared him wit Pullis.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
See much easier to attack the poster. This type of wummery is really finishing of this site.
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What ever.
This site isn't for you, if you don't like people pulling your comments apart when you make them up with no sound knowledge at all.
You have no idea how Dyche trains his team and then compared him wit Pullis.
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I compared their mentality. Its quite a different thing to tactics they use to achieve their aim.
And who are you to pass judgement on whether I have knowledge of Fat Sam's or Dyche's training methods. You admitted above you don't know either. So for all you know I maybe completely correct on their personal footballing ideals.
Would you have them managing Man Utd?
I compared their mentality. Its quite a different thing to tactics they use to achieve their aim.
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You have no idea what tactics Dyche uses. You made a bland statement about Sam coaches as well, but had no idea who they were.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 30 seconds ago
I compared their mentality. Its quite a different thing to tactics they use to achieve their aim.
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You have no idea what tactics Dyche uses. You made a bland statement about Sam coaches as well, but had no idea who they were.
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I could google who Fat Sam's coaches were as could you. I remember Sammy Lee at Bolton. The point was not who Sam's coaches were. Its the fact he always used a lot of them, coaching different aspects and was one of the first to focus on the football statistics and 'prozone'. Thats not a bad thing. But it evolved for fat sam into one of substance over style. None of Sam's teams have been attractive to watch after Bolton. And he was driven out of West Ham for that.
I have full knowledge of the tactics Dyche employs against Arsenal and a few of the other games I have seen against other clubs. Its one of not to get beaten focussing on set pieces rather than open play. I have admitted above that I do not support Burnley so I am hardly going to watch him day-in and day-out. So my opinion is formed by what I see and as the article is about Arsenal thats the only relevancy here.
You never answered the question. What you advocate Dyche or Sam managing Man Utd?
I could google who Fat Sam's coaches were as could you.
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You shouldn't have had to. I assumed you knew who they were to make this comment.
Sam is not a coach but he employed coaches who were very conservative.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 51 seconds ago
I could google who Fat Sam's coaches were as could you.
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You shouldn't have had to. I assumed you knew who they were to make this comment.
Sam is not a coach but he employed coaches who were very conservative.
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Do you understand what I mean by conservative?
Do you understand what I mean by conservative?
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You don't know who his coaches were. You have no idea on whether they were conservative or not.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 10 minutes ago
Do you understand what I mean by conservative?
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You don't know who his coaches were. You have no idea on whether they were conservative or not.
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So you don't understand do you?
Conservative is about risk mitigation. That means for example if prozone says passes over 30 yards have more affect in keeping clean sheets because it keeps the ball away from your goal, Sam will instruct his coaching staff to drill into players that 30 yard passes are important when you are under pressure rather than passing the ball through the midfield. Which is why Sam's style is referred to as long ball. This is why Sam's contract was not renewed at West Ham. Fans were fed up with 'statistically' driven conservative coaching as instructed by Sam's coaches. It doesn't matter who they were.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 10 minutes ago
Do you understand what I mean by conservative?
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You don't know who his coaches were. You have no idea on whether they were conservative or not.
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So you don't understand do you?
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Oh dear.
Winston, I wouldn't expect Dyche to get Burnley to play like the top 6 straight away (or anything close to them). I'd imagine a change of time will take a few years. The issue he will have later is that fans will want a change after a few years. Now this may work out or not.
What he will need to show is that he isn't just able to be a small timer who punches above his weight. It's why you won't see any of the top four go for him. Even Everton or Southampton are unlikely due to the style of play they seem to favour right now.
CurrentlyInChina84Again (U11181)
Given the gap between the top clubs and the likes of Burnley, it's unrealistic to expect it at all without a major injection of money.
I'm not saying the top four clubs should go for him but just that your expectations of what a manager needs to do to move on are unrealistic imo.
comment by CurrentlyInChina84Again (U11181)
posted 1 minute ago
Winston, I wouldn't expect Dyche to get Burnley to play like the top 6 straight away (or anything close to them). I'd imagine a change of time will take a few years. The issue he will have later is that fans will want a change after a few years. Now this may work out or not.
What he will need to show is that he isn't just able to be a small timer who punches above his weight. It's why you won't see any of the top four go for him. Even Everton or Southampton are unlikely due to the style of play they seem to favour right now.
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Yep, the bigger teams will avoid taking a punt on a promising domestic manager and instead take a punt on an overseas manager proven or otherwise.
Someone who was given time and opportunity in their own country to develop and improve at various clubs of different standings.
Something denied to PL managers really.
comment by Cornelius Oofterom (U15867)
posted 1 day, 1 hour ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina84Again (U11181)
posted 1 minute ago
Winston, I wouldn't expect Dyche to get Burnley to play like the top 6 straight away (or anything close to them). I'd imagine a change of time will take a few years. The issue he will have later is that fans will want a change after a few years. Now this may work out or not.
What he will need to show is that he isn't just able to be a small timer who punches above his weight. It's why you won't see any of the top four go for him. Even Everton or Southampton are unlikely due to the style of play they seem to favour right now.
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Yep, the bigger teams will avoid taking a punt on a promising domestic manager and instead take a punt on an overseas manager proven or otherwise.
Someone who was given time and opportunity in their own country to develop and improve at various clubs of different standings.
Something denied to PL managers really.
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Bigger team's have taken punt's on them. Moyes got a chance and failed, as did McLaren and Hughes. Roy got two big jobs and fluffed both.
They has been chances for that brand of manager to step up, but they all failed.
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posted on 4/10/17
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
And you do?
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No, which is why I don't make presumptuous statements.
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Its opinion. And its my opinion. Whether you agree with it or not is up to you. I am not posting to persuade you one way or the other.
This article is about an Arsenal ex-player who wanted to cause controversy by suggesting Arsenal appoint a manager known for a dire style of football to Arsenal. And as a Arsenal fan I gave my opinion on why its ludicrous based on my experience of watching Fat Sam, a manager with comparable style to Dyce to manage Arsenal.
Now it seems you are hell bent on an argument. Sorry but I am not interested in giving you one. Its much easier to abuse posters for the weak minded on this forum than have discussion on style or any substance related to the topic or discussion.
posted on 4/10/17
comment by selbstgerechtein (U7048)
posted 27 minutes ago
Dyche isn't like Pulis at all.
Pulis record away at the top teams is horrific. He's only had moderate success at home.
Dyche plays with men behind the ball (as it would be pretty silly not to) but when they attack they attack in numbers and with variety and it's proven to get results even against top opposition.
It's just lazy cliches to say he is like Pulis.
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My comparison to Pulis was about their total belief in the style and tactics they employ which is fundamentally set out not to get beaten rather than to entertain. (and its nothing wrong with that mentality as long as the fans of their respective teams are ok with it.) I wasn't actually comparing how they deploy their teams. Would Dyce be able to adjust to a more free flowing style that fans demand at Arsenal. I doubt it. In fact I doubt he would acceptable at any of the bigger clubs in the premier league. But I can only talk as a Arsenal fan.
posted on 4/10/17
Its opinion. And its my opinion.
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Formed with a severe lack of knowledge on the subject matter, and comments you have pulled out of your bottom.
posted on 4/10/17
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 33 seconds ago
Its opinion. And its my opinion.
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Formed with a severe lack of knowledge on the subject matter, and comments you have pulled out of your bottom.
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See much easier to attack the poster. This type of wummery is really finishing of this site.
posted on 4/10/17
See much easier to attack the poster. This type of wummery is really finishing of this site.
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What ever.
This site isn't for you, if you don't like people pulling your comments apart when you make them up with no sound knowledge at all.
You have no idea how Dyche trains his team and then compared him wit Pullis.
posted on 4/10/17
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
See much easier to attack the poster. This type of wummery is really finishing of this site.
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What ever.
This site isn't for you, if you don't like people pulling your comments apart when you make them up with no sound knowledge at all.
You have no idea how Dyche trains his team and then compared him wit Pullis.
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I compared their mentality. Its quite a different thing to tactics they use to achieve their aim.
And who are you to pass judgement on whether I have knowledge of Fat Sam's or Dyche's training methods. You admitted above you don't know either. So for all you know I maybe completely correct on their personal footballing ideals.
Would you have them managing Man Utd?
posted on 4/10/17
I compared their mentality. Its quite a different thing to tactics they use to achieve their aim.
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You have no idea what tactics Dyche uses. You made a bland statement about Sam coaches as well, but had no idea who they were.
posted on 4/10/17
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 30 seconds ago
I compared their mentality. Its quite a different thing to tactics they use to achieve their aim.
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You have no idea what tactics Dyche uses. You made a bland statement about Sam coaches as well, but had no idea who they were.
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I could google who Fat Sam's coaches were as could you. I remember Sammy Lee at Bolton. The point was not who Sam's coaches were. Its the fact he always used a lot of them, coaching different aspects and was one of the first to focus on the football statistics and 'prozone'. Thats not a bad thing. But it evolved for fat sam into one of substance over style. None of Sam's teams have been attractive to watch after Bolton. And he was driven out of West Ham for that.
I have full knowledge of the tactics Dyche employs against Arsenal and a few of the other games I have seen against other clubs. Its one of not to get beaten focussing on set pieces rather than open play. I have admitted above that I do not support Burnley so I am hardly going to watch him day-in and day-out. So my opinion is formed by what I see and as the article is about Arsenal thats the only relevancy here.
You never answered the question. What you advocate Dyche or Sam managing Man Utd?
posted on 4/10/17
I could google who Fat Sam's coaches were as could you.
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You shouldn't have had to. I assumed you knew who they were to make this comment.
Sam is not a coach but he employed coaches who were very conservative.
posted on 4/10/17
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 51 seconds ago
I could google who Fat Sam's coaches were as could you.
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You shouldn't have had to. I assumed you knew who they were to make this comment.
Sam is not a coach but he employed coaches who were very conservative.
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Do you understand what I mean by conservative?
posted on 4/10/17
Do you understand what I mean by conservative?
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You don't know who his coaches were. You have no idea on whether they were conservative or not.
posted on 4/10/17
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 10 minutes ago
Do you understand what I mean by conservative?
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You don't know who his coaches were. You have no idea on whether they were conservative or not.
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So you don't understand do you?
Conservative is about risk mitigation. That means for example if prozone says passes over 30 yards have more affect in keeping clean sheets because it keeps the ball away from your goal, Sam will instruct his coaching staff to drill into players that 30 yard passes are important when you are under pressure rather than passing the ball through the midfield. Which is why Sam's style is referred to as long ball. This is why Sam's contract was not renewed at West Ham. Fans were fed up with 'statistically' driven conservative coaching as instructed by Sam's coaches. It doesn't matter who they were.
posted on 4/10/17
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 10 minutes ago
Do you understand what I mean by conservative?
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You don't know who his coaches were. You have no idea on whether they were conservative or not.
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So you don't understand do you?
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Oh dear.
posted on 4/10/17
Winston, I wouldn't expect Dyche to get Burnley to play like the top 6 straight away (or anything close to them). I'd imagine a change of time will take a few years. The issue he will have later is that fans will want a change after a few years. Now this may work out or not.
What he will need to show is that he isn't just able to be a small timer who punches above his weight. It's why you won't see any of the top four go for him. Even Everton or Southampton are unlikely due to the style of play they seem to favour right now.
posted on 4/10/17
CurrentlyInChina84Again (U11181)
Given the gap between the top clubs and the likes of Burnley, it's unrealistic to expect it at all without a major injection of money.
I'm not saying the top four clubs should go for him but just that your expectations of what a manager needs to do to move on are unrealistic imo.
posted on 4/10/17
comment by CurrentlyInChina84Again (U11181)
posted 1 minute ago
Winston, I wouldn't expect Dyche to get Burnley to play like the top 6 straight away (or anything close to them). I'd imagine a change of time will take a few years. The issue he will have later is that fans will want a change after a few years. Now this may work out or not.
What he will need to show is that he isn't just able to be a small timer who punches above his weight. It's why you won't see any of the top four go for him. Even Everton or Southampton are unlikely due to the style of play they seem to favour right now.
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Yep, the bigger teams will avoid taking a punt on a promising domestic manager and instead take a punt on an overseas manager proven or otherwise.
Someone who was given time and opportunity in their own country to develop and improve at various clubs of different standings.
Something denied to PL managers really.
posted on 5/10/17
comment by Cornelius Oofterom (U15867)
posted 1 day, 1 hour ago
comment by CurrentlyInChina84Again (U11181)
posted 1 minute ago
Winston, I wouldn't expect Dyche to get Burnley to play like the top 6 straight away (or anything close to them). I'd imagine a change of time will take a few years. The issue he will have later is that fans will want a change after a few years. Now this may work out or not.
What he will need to show is that he isn't just able to be a small timer who punches above his weight. It's why you won't see any of the top four go for him. Even Everton or Southampton are unlikely due to the style of play they seem to favour right now.
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Yep, the bigger teams will avoid taking a punt on a promising domestic manager and instead take a punt on an overseas manager proven or otherwise.
Someone who was given time and opportunity in their own country to develop and improve at various clubs of different standings.
Something denied to PL managers really.
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Bigger team's have taken punt's on them. Moyes got a chance and failed, as did McLaren and Hughes. Roy got two big jobs and fluffed both.
They has been chances for that brand of manager to step up, but they all failed.
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