comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 18 minutes ago
People have lost faith in the ECHR because of decisions like allowing members of grooming gangs to stay in the UK.
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Which is understandable but whether we can leave the ECHR is another matter

BREAKING ERG chairman Mark Francois tells me he is personally backing Liz Truss to be the next Prime Minister. This is significant and a blow to Penny Mordaunt who is battling it out for second place.
The full ERG group of 60 Tory MPs meets at midday to decide who to back. 1/2

Not good for Mordaunt

Nadhim Zahawi is using NZ4PM as his leadership election tag. If you click on https://t.co/x6Twdu2bv1 you are redirected to Penny Mordaunt’s leadership home page. Comedy gold. You gotta love this contest

🤣🤣🤣

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 46 minutes ago
People have lost faith in the ECHR because of decisions like allowing members of grooming gangs to stay in the UK.
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Didn't that carry on because of the lack of uk police action though, nothing to do with ECHR.

comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 46 minutes ago
People have lost faith in the ECHR because of decisions like allowing members of grooming gangs to stay in the UK.
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Didn't that carry on because of the lack of uk police action though, nothing to do with ECHR.
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That was my understanding


And weren't most of the perpetrators of British birth anyway?

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 46 minutes ago
People have lost faith in the ECHR because of decisions like allowing members of grooming gangs to stay in the UK.
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Didn't that carry on because of the lack of uk police action though, nothing to do with ECHR.
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That was my understanding


And weren't most of the perpetrators of British birth anyway?
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Two of them (who the gov wanted to deport) were of Pakistani origin. And they appealed to the ECHR (citing article 8 - right to a private/family life) as they had children in the UK, and had been here for years. And being deported to Pakistan would have denied them this right.

As well as the GFA the TCA negotiated with the EU includes provisions for ECHR adjudication. And leaving it would result in the collapse of all cross border cooperation with Europe. The consequences of which are obvious.

If the Gov wish to leave the ECHR they'd therefore need to rip up two international treaties. Finally it's telling that no impact assessments have ever been completed by the government involving stakeholders, and the relevant UK judiciary. Setting out the pros/cons of a potential departure.

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 46 minutes ago
People have lost faith in the ECHR because of decisions like allowing members of grooming gangs to stay in the UK.
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Didn't that carry on because of the lack of uk police action though, nothing to do with ECHR.
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That was my understanding


And weren't most of the perpetrators of British birth anyway?
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Only one in the case of the Rochdale gang

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 46 minutes ago
People have lost faith in the ECHR because of decisions like allowing members of grooming gangs to stay in the UK.
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Didn't that carry on because of the lack of uk police action though, nothing to do with ECHR.
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That was my understanding


And weren't most of the perpetrators of British birth anyway?
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Two of them (who the gov wanted to deport) were of Pakistani origin. And they appealed to the ECHR (citing article 8 - right to a private/family life) as they had children in the UK, and had been here for years. And being deported to Pakistan would have denied them this right.

As well as the GFA the TCA negotiated with the EU includes provisions for ECHR adjudication. And leaving it would result in the collapse of all cross border cooperation with Europe. The consequences of which are obvious.

If the Gov wish to leave the ECHR they'd therefore need to rip up two international treaties. Finally it's telling that no impact assessments have ever been completed by the government involving stakeholders, and the relevant UK judiciary. Setting out the pros/cons of a potential departure.
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So to boil it down a little...

Tories want to rip up to ECHR so they can deport parents away from their kids, leaving the kids beholden to the state for their upbringing, either financially (benefits) or altogether through child services.

Despite the stigma they create around the social safety net (benefits) and their continual attacks on claimants, and also whilst talking about reducing every departments budget by 20% to create a smaller state, therefore having less money for child services...

Hmmm 🤔

Also denying 60 million people the protections enshrined in the ECHR for the sake of 2 people seems odd when they stacked up against the %'s they use to decry catering to trans folk...

comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 9 minutes ago
Also denying 60 million people the protections enshrined in the ECHR for the sake of 2 people seems odd when they stacked up against the %'s they use to decry catering to trans folk...
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It’s a lot more than 2 people

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 9 minutes ago
Also denying 60 million people the protections enshrined in the ECHR for the sake of 2 people seems odd when they stacked up against the %'s they use to decry catering to trans folk...
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It’s a lot more than 2 people
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ECHR protects everyone regardless of stature. And whilst not everyone will agree with a particular judgement(s), people rail against High Court decisions (especially the likes of the Mail, Express and the S*n) all the time.

Yet no one is advocating the eradication of the UK judiciary just because a judge happens to hand down a lenient sentence.

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think you are kidding Mr.... (U3126)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 9 minutes ago
Also denying 60 million people the protections enshrined in the ECHR for the sake of 2 people seems odd when they stacked up against the %'s they use to decry catering to trans folk...
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It’s a lot more than 2 people
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ECHR protects everyone regardless of stature. And whilst not everyone will agree with a particular judgement(s), people rail against High Court decisions (especially the likes of the Mail, Express and the S*n) all the time.

Yet no one is advocating the eradication of the UK judiciary just because a judge happens to hand down a lenient sentence.
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Well, the government wants the power to overrule them.

It's this idea that a foreign court (which it isn't) is protecting foreign criminals while they rape our women and children

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think ... (U3126)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 9 minutes ago
Also denying 60 million people the protections enshrined in the ECHR for the sake of 2 people seems odd when they stacked up against the %'s they use to decry catering to trans folk...
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It’s a lot more than 2 people
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ECHR protects everyone regardless of stature. And whilst not everyone will agree with a particular judgement(s), people rail against High Court decisions (especially the likes of the Mail, Express and the S*n) all the time.

Yet no one is advocating the eradication of the UK judiciary just because a judge happens to hand down a lenient sentence.
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How exactly is it protecting the victims of CSE?

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think ... (U3126)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 9 minutes ago
Also denying 60 million people the protections enshrined in the ECHR for the sake of 2 people seems odd when they stacked up against the %'s they use to decry catering to trans folk...
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It’s a lot more than 2 people
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ECHR protects everyone regardless of stature. And whilst not everyone will agree with a particular judgement(s), people rail against High Court decisions (especially the likes of the Mail, Express and the S*n) all the time.

Yet no one is advocating the eradication of the UK judiciary just because a judge happens to hand down a lenient sentence.
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How exactly is it protecting the victims of CSE?
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In the same way any court does. By applying/interpreting the relevant legislation, and giving a view to applicants/defendants.

Tory leadership contender Nadhim Zahawi tells LBC he would "certainly" offer Boris Johnson a job if he wanted to be part of his cabinet.
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Zahawi seems intent to consistently shoot himself in the foot so far in his campaign

I know Labour are desperate to try and be heard at the moment (funny my normal complaint is that Starmers problems don't get enough news coverage) but this constant accusation that in one way or another all Tory leadership candidates propped up an iffy geezer is a hopeless argument.

Any interviewer or mp from another party will simply point out that Starmer tried to get Corbyn into number 10 and Boris won an 80 seat majority so was clearly a popular choice regardless of his moral failings.

Best thing Labour can do is keep their heads down and enjoy their summer hols and Sept 5th it all starts again.

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think ... (U3126)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 9 minutes ago
Also denying 60 million people the protections enshrined in the ECHR for the sake of 2 people seems odd when they stacked up against the %'s they use to decry catering to trans folk...
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It’s a lot more than 2 people
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ECHR protects everyone regardless of stature. And whilst not everyone will agree with a particular judgement(s), people rail against High Court decisions (especially the likes of the Mail, Express and the S*n) all the time.

Yet no one is advocating the eradication of the UK judiciary just because a judge happens to hand down a lenient sentence.
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How exactly is it protecting the victims of CSE?
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The same way it has for years, didn't the criminals get caught and sent to prison, like criminals should.

comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 40 seconds ago
I know Labour are desperate to try and be heard at the moment (funny my normal complaint is that Starmers problems don't get enough news coverage) but this constant accusation that in one way or another all Tory leadership candidates propped up an iffy geezer is a hopeless argument.

Any interviewer or mp from another party will simply point out that Starmer tried to get Corbyn into number 10 and Boris won an 80 seat majority so was clearly a popular choice regardless of his moral failings.

Best thing Labour can do is keep their heads down and enjoy their summer hols and Sept 5th it all starts again.
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That comparison is irrelevant though.

Starmer backed someone who turned out to be unpopular and didn't get elected PM.

whereas these Conservative candidates continued to back someone for 2.5 years of lies, corruption, and even when he was fine by the police. It was only when public opinion changed did they finally decide to get rid of him, showing they don't actually care about values, just staying in power.

If the polls still had the Tories winning, they never would have done anything regardless of the Pincher situation.

comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 5 minutes ago
I know Labour are desperate to try and be heard at the moment (funny my normal complaint is that Starmers problems don't get enough news coverage) but this constant accusation that in one way or another all Tory leadership candidates propped up an iffy geezer is a hopeless argument.

Any interviewer or mp from another party will simply point out that Starmer tried to get Corbyn into number 10 and Boris won an 80 seat majority so was clearly a popular choice regardless of his moral failings.

Best thing Labour can do is keep their heads down and enjoy their summer hols and Sept 5th it all starts again.
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comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think ... (U3126)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 9 minutes ago
Also denying 60 million people the protections enshrined in the ECHR for the sake of 2 people seems odd when they stacked up against the %'s they use to decry catering to trans folk...
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It’s a lot more than 2 people
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ECHR protects everyone regardless of stature. And whilst not everyone will agree with a particular judgement(s), people rail against High Court decisions (especially the likes of the Mail, Express and the S*n) all the time.

Yet no one is advocating the eradication of the UK judiciary just because a judge happens to hand down a lenient sentence.
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How exactly is it protecting the victims of CSE?
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The same way it has for years, didn't the criminals get caught and sent to prison, like criminals should.
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Yes and many received deportation orders that they are now fighting. Many of the predators are still living in the same areas as their victims as banning orders have been lifted or not applied

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 37 seconds ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Who do you think ... (U3126)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Insert random username (U10647)
posted 9 minutes ago
Also denying 60 million people the protections enshrined in the ECHR for the sake of 2 people seems odd when they stacked up against the %'s they use to decry catering to trans folk...
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It’s a lot more than 2 people
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ECHR protects everyone regardless of stature. And whilst not everyone will agree with a particular judgement(s), people rail against High Court decisions (especially the likes of the Mail, Express and the S*n) all the time.

Yet no one is advocating the eradication of the UK judiciary just because a judge happens to hand down a lenient sentence.
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How exactly is it protecting the victims of CSE?
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The same way it has for years, didn't the criminals get caught and sent to prison, like criminals should.
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Many of the predators are still living in the same areas as their victims as banning orders have been lifted or not applied
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Isn't that a uk issue though?

Penny Mordaunt did a good launch tbf

Penny Mordaunt on criticism over position on trans issues

'I think it was Margaret Thatcher that said every prime minister needs a willy

'A woman like me doesn't have one'

comment by De Gea's Legs (U14210)
posted 13 seconds ago
Penny Mordaunt on criticism over position on trans issues

'I think it was Margaret Thatcher that said every prime minister needs a willy

'A woman like me doesn't have one'
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Literally not even touching double figures in the poll percentages this, country is a cesspit