comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
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comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
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comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
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comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about an hour ago
The evidence stated by “experts” from a number of countries so far indicates that the explosion was caused by a ground launched missile which malfunctioned.

Being launched by Hamas. Now I’m no expert but I’m sure there are many on here
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You're not even paying attention to the experts you are quoting if you are saying it was launched by Hamas and not by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad militant group.
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If you say so. Strange thing is that they are being quoted word for word by the world’s fairly respected media and backing it up with stated evidence.

Still as I said, I’m certain the real experts are all on here so appreciate you making me aware of my attention capabilities.
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It's not me that says so. It's literally every report on the incident.
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Not the ones I’ve read. I’m sure as with everything else on this subject there will be conflicting versions.

But as I said, I’m no expert.
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No idea what you're reading then.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-hamas-war-israel-says-it-will-release-evidence-which-it-claims-shows-an-islamic-jihad-rocket-hit-the-gaza-hospital-12986662

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/17/israel-palestine-latest-news-updates-hamas-gaza-day-11-live/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/18/what-is-palestinian-islamic-jihad-and-what-is-its-relationship-with-hamas

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/17/world/middleeast/islamic-jihad-gaza-hospital-israel.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-rcna120978

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/what-is-islamic-jihad-hamas-ally-war-with-israel-2023-10-18/

I could keep going.
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No doubt.

As I’ve said, I’ve only read what I’ve read. I’m not daft enough to claim it as fact and nor am I daft enough to claim the opposite.

I have no sides in this and was just joining in some conversation is all
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You've just been arguing it wasn't and inferring that everyone else sees themselves as experts on here.

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 5 minutes ago
Who to believe?

As ever, warfare is as much misdirection and falsehoods as it is guns and bullets
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Aha "the first casualty is truth"

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
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comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
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comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted about an hour ago
The evidence stated by “experts” from a number of countries so far indicates that the explosion was caused by a ground launched missile which malfunctioned.

Being launched by Hamas. Now I’m no expert but I’m sure there are many on here
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You're not even paying attention to the experts you are quoting if you are saying it was launched by Hamas and not by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad militant group.
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If you say so. Strange thing is that they are being quoted word for word by the world’s fairly respected media and backing it up with stated evidence.

Still as I said, I’m certain the real experts are all on here so appreciate you making me aware of my attention capabilities.
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It's not me that says so. It's literally every report on the incident.
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Not the ones I’ve read. I’m sure as with everything else on this subject there will be conflicting versions.

But as I said, I’m no expert.
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No idea what you're reading then.

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-hamas-war-israel-says-it-will-release-evidence-which-it-claims-shows-an-islamic-jihad-rocket-hit-the-gaza-hospital-12986662

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/17/israel-palestine-latest-news-updates-hamas-gaza-day-11-live/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/18/what-is-palestinian-islamic-jihad-and-what-is-its-relationship-with-hamas

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/17/world/middleeast/islamic-jihad-gaza-hospital-israel.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/israel-hamas-war-live-updates-rcna120978

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/what-is-islamic-jihad-hamas-ally-war-with-israel-2023-10-18/

I could keep going.
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No doubt.

As I’ve said, I’ve only read what I’ve read. I’m not daft enough to claim it as fact and nor am I daft enough to claim the opposite.

I have no sides in this and was just joining in some conversation is all
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You've just been arguing it wasn't and inferring that everyone else sees themselves as experts on here.
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No. I was simply stating that there was another version and by way of the use of inverted commas around the word “experts”, actually mocking them along with the other “experts” on here. And there are many of you take a glance.

However if you think I had some motive to try and persuade others to this way of thinking then who is to stop you? Fill your boots mate. I’ve already declared a few times I’m no expert and will take no sides. Now why would I do the exact opposite as you seem to infer?

Leave you with it. You seem convinced so there’s no need for further back and forwards on this

There's really nothing wrong with taking sides

Not taking a side doesnt magically make anybody a good person.

I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to be convinced of. I've only pointed out that the reports are that it was the Palestinian Islamic Jihad militant group and not Hamas who they say fired the rocket.

Most of us on this forum are football fans, it's hard-wired into us to take sides.

Maybe I didn't provide enough sources for that, so Ging thinks it's my own hypothesis as an expert.

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 11 minutes ago
Maybe I didn't provide enough sources for that, so Ging thinks it's my own hypothesis as an expert.
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There you go again. I genuinely have no idea why but you appear to be intent on being an “expert” in stating my own intentions and beliefs. Quite a skill I have to admit.

Look who’s embarrassed themselves on the airwaves again

https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1714712243349143832?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 11 minutes ago
Maybe I didn't provide enough sources for that, so Ging thinks it's my own hypothesis as an expert.
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There you go again. I genuinely have no idea why but you appear to be intent on being an “expert” in stating my own intentions and beliefs. Quite a skill I have to admit.
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You've admitted to mocking people on here calling them 'experts'. I'm not sure you can claim some high ground on stating others intentions and beliefs.

Protests in Japan, India, Phillipines, Turkey and others. Hopefully this picks up pace. We need as much pressure as possible to stop this slaughter.

comment by Dushane Hill (U11781)
posted 5 minutes ago
Look who’s embarrassed themselves on the airwaves again

https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1714712243349143832?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw
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I watched it live, she totally does my head in.

Sure to be on QT this week or next.

12 UNSC countries voted for a ceasefire. UK abstained but made statement similar to USA who are the ones that have vetoed the ceasefire resolution on grounds that the resolution does not declare Israel's right to defend itself and condemn Hamas.

Makes sense.

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Dushane Hill (U11781)
posted 5 minutes ago
Look who’s embarrassed themselves on the airwaves again

https://x.com/implausibleblog/status/1714712243349143832?s=46&t=bPTrpdgNggCdz9igvhmVyw
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I watched it live, she totally does my head in.

Sure to be on QT this week or next.
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She has to be the most evil ambassador I’ve ever come across, and she’s representing Israel’s true image.

comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 40 minutes ago
There's really nothing wrong with taking sides

Not taking a side doesnt magically make anybody a good person.
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Some people who had no problem taking sides only a few days ago have now adopted "taking sides is bad" as their buzz word.

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
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comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
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Maybe I didn't provide enough sources for that, so Ging thinks it's my own hypothesis as an expert.
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There you go again. I genuinely have no idea why but you appear to be intent on being an “expert” in stating my own intentions and beliefs. Quite a skill I have to admit.
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You've admitted to mocking people on here calling them 'experts'. I'm not sure you can claim some high ground on stating others intentions and beliefs.
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I think you have that the wrong way round along with a couple of incorrect assumptions (yet again)

Are you really suggesting that there aren’t some on here who don’t indulge themselves and their interpretations to the point where they want to be seen as “expert” or perhaps extremely knowledgable? Really?

They deserve to be mocked, especially those who dive in with conclusions that often are later proven to be incorrect or at least heavily biased.

Secondly, I’m not claiming any moral high ground but no doubt you’ll spend a lot of time tying yourself up in knots to try and show everyone the opposite. Which again doesn’t make it so.

Thirdly, I’m not stating anyone else’s beliefs or intentions. It’s you trying to do that to me. Again wrong.

There’s not much else left in your statement and I’ve no idea why you’re desperate to prove some kind of unfathomable point.

Anyways; you seem to be stuck in a groove with whatever you’re trying to do, so I’ll give you the platform and let you try and convince yourself and others you have some point on what was a fairly innocuous remark.

Did I upset you in a former life or something?

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
One man's expert is another man's bulls hitter.
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Sometimes one man's bullsheeter is another man's bullsheeter as well.

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
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comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
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comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 11 minutes ago
Maybe I didn't provide enough sources for that, so Ging thinks it's my own hypothesis as an expert.
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There you go again. I genuinely have no idea why but you appear to be intent on being an “expert” in stating my own intentions and beliefs. Quite a skill I have to admit.
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You've admitted to mocking people on here calling them 'experts'. I'm not sure you can claim some high ground on stating others intentions and beliefs.
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I think you have that the wrong way round along with a couple of incorrect assumptions (yet again)

Are you really suggesting that there aren’t some on here who don’t indulge themselves and their interpretations to the point where they want to be seen as “expert” or perhaps extremely knowledgable? Really?

They deserve to be mocked, especially those who dive in with conclusions that often are later proven to be incorrect or at least heavily biased.

Secondly, I’m not claiming any moral high ground but no doubt you’ll spend a lot of time tying yourself up in knots to try and show everyone the opposite. Which again doesn’t make it so.

Thirdly, I’m not stating anyone else’s beliefs or intentions. It’s you trying to do that to me. Again wrong.

There’s not much else left in your statement and I’ve no idea why you’re desperate to prove some kind of unfathomable point.

Anyways; you seem to be stuck in a groove with whatever you’re trying to do, so I’ll give you the platform and let you try and convince yourself and others you have some point on what was a fairly innocuous remark.

Did I upset you in a former life or something?
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I haven't states any intentions or beliefs. Just that your statement about experts saying it was Hamas was incorrect as they are stating it was PIJ. You've then doubled down on it and continued down this 'expert' route.

Maybe if you don't want to be mocked, you should avoid mocking others as soon as you arrive on the thread.

They deserve to be mocked, especially those who dive in with conclusions that often are later proven to be incorrect or at least heavily biased
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You mean like Brexit? Which you backed to the hilt?

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
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comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 11 minutes ago
Maybe I didn't provide enough sources for that, so Ging thinks it's my own hypothesis as an expert.
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There you go again. I genuinely have no idea why but you appear to be intent on being an “expert” in stating my own intentions and beliefs. Quite a skill I have to admit.
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You've admitted to mocking people on here calling them 'experts'. I'm not sure you can claim some high ground on stating others intentions and beliefs.
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I think you have that the wrong way round along with a couple of incorrect assumptions (yet again)

Are you really suggesting that there aren’t some on here who don’t indulge themselves and their interpretations to the point where they want to be seen as “expert” or perhaps extremely knowledgable? Really?

They deserve to be mocked, especially those who dive in with conclusions that often are later proven to be incorrect or at least heavily biased.

Secondly, I’m not claiming any moral high ground but no doubt you’ll spend a lot of time tying yourself up in knots to try and show everyone the opposite. Which again doesn’t make it so.

Thirdly, I’m not stating anyone else’s beliefs or intentions. It’s you trying to do that to me. Again wrong.

There’s not much else left in your statement and I’ve no idea why you’re desperate to prove some kind of unfathomable point.

Anyways; you seem to be stuck in a groove with whatever you’re trying to do, so I’ll give you the platform and let you try and convince yourself and others you have some point on what was a fairly innocuous remark.

Did I upset you in a former life or something?
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I haven't states any intentions or beliefs. Just that your statement about experts saying it was Hamas was incorrect as they are stating it was PIJ. You've then doubled down on it and continued down this 'expert' route.

Maybe if you don't want to be mocked, you should avoid mocking others as soon as you arrive on the thread.
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You’re mocking me?



Indeed you’ve stated my intentions and beliefs. Quite clearly on a number of occasions now.

And how can I be incorrect by quoting people who portray themselves as experts? That doesn’t even make sense unless I said I agreed with them. Which of course I didn’t but you know that anyway don’t you?

Have you read what I read? No, quite clearly you haven’t. The paper talk I read quite clearly suggested it was Hamas who were responsible. Wait. Is that you making incorrect assumptions again? I think it is you know.

And I’ll ridicule anyone who portrays themselves as somehow expert. With your permission of course.

You mocking me? You’ve some imagination I’ll give you that

Anyway, the floor is yours. I’ve got to prepare some “ridicule work” for tomorrow.

(I don’t really but you can have some giggles with that?

Night

Should be easy for you to provide links to these experts saying it was Hamas that were responsible for the rocket that hit the hospital then. Only ones I have seen are saying it was PIJ.

I'm still not really clear what I have stated your intentions and beliefs are to be honest. I've only commented on what you have said.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1dd52778-6dbf-11ee-b0f3-053d83492f27?shareToken=9ca391416fb28dd17f6ecd52404145c9

Certainly.

Night

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1dd52778-6dbf-11ee-b0f3-053d83492f27?shareToken=9ca391416fb28dd17f6ecd52404145c9

Certainly.

Night
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'In the recording, the operatives acknowledge the explosion had been caused by a rocket misfired by Palestinian Islamic Jihad, another militant group based in Gaza, from a cemetery behind the hospital.'

Even your link says it was misfired by PIJ and not Hamas.

Sunak to visit Israel tomorrow.

Embarrasing butt-kissing in prospect.