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comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
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comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
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Likewise, if a football game, or a west end show, or whatever it may be, didn’t happen, then X bad thing may not happen. I’m not sure that’s a reason to stop a football game, a west end show, or indeed a March for a ceasefire, particularly one going no less than a 28 minute walk from the cenotaph.
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Not stop, delay.

Do it next weekend, simple.
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The other thing to do is to punish acts of criminality, which we are simply not doing. We are being far too weak, just like JSO, extinction rebellion, BLM, previous pro Palestine marches and current ones.

Show them that crime will not be tolerated. Whether it’s football hooliganism or protestor hooliganism. I don’t care who is doing it, I just don’t want it pandered to.

France & Germany don’t take this sheet, why are we?

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How much would you be wanting your tax increased by in order to pay for the significant additional policing and justice infrastructure to carry out what you want them to do?
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We have enough police officers already. They’re just not doing their jobs properly. It’s a strategic issue rather than a head count thing.
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I think the strategy is that there is a recognition that were they to go in hard as you are suggesting on large groups of people to try to pick out individuals committing offences, you need significantly more resource to do that safely. You also need to consider the backlash to such an action, and the operational strain that puts on resources. You had the head of the Met articulating just this point recently on the News Agents. So while it is a strategic thing, I don’t think you can say it is not a head count thing, they are intertwined and closely related.

And just so not missed, Satters, are you suggesting a complete, 100%, total ban everywhere in the UK any type of protest or march (or anything else that could lead to a crowd being hyped up and causing damage) this coming weekend?

It's as clear as day that the sole reason these marches are being whipped up by right wing mouthpieces and the conservative Prime and cabinet ministers as "problematic" is the "wedge issue" that they are "hate marches" simply because Palestinians are predominately muslim, thats it. They set a political trap for Starmer, who despite the personal hit to his standing, didn't bite so they're trying something new.

If you believed the empty vessels that are vociferously opposed to the good old british right to protest, the 100k+ that are on the marches are all haters of this country when all they're doing is exerting their right, as generations previously have, to voice their dissatisfaction with OUR country's stance on state slaughter of an already oppressed people.

For Shame!

comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 12 minutes ago
And just so not missed, Satters, are you suggesting a complete, 100%, total ban everywhere in the UK any type of protest or march (or anything else that could lead to a crowd being hyped up and causing damage) this coming weekend?
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No lol

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comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
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And just so not missed, Satters, are you suggesting a complete, 100%, total ban everywhere in the UK any type of protest or march (or anything else that could lead to a crowd being hyped up and causing damage) this coming weekend?
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No lol
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I want respect given to our buildings, monuments, traditions and I want crimes punished accordingly.

If any of you think a public order offends is sufficient for calling for the rpe of mothers and daughters is sufficient legal justice then just say so.

I do not.

If any of you think a public order offends is sufficient for calling for the rpe of mothers and daughters is sufficient legal justice then just say so.

I do not.
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So what should they be charged with if not a public order offence?

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comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
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And just so not missed, Satters, are you suggesting a complete, 100%, total ban everywhere in the UK any type of protest or march (or anything else that could lead to a crowd being hyped up and causing damage) this coming weekend?
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No lol
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I want respect given to our buildings, monuments, traditions and I want crimes punished accordingly.

If any of you think a public order offends is sufficient for calling for the rpe of mothers and daughters is sufficient legal justice then just say so.

I do not.
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So on the first point, you are satisfied that the March goes ahead this weekend as it is described (avoiding cenotaph)? I think that’s where we’ve gotten to.

What you describe I could see being a section 5 public order offence if it is in earshot of members of the public who could reasonably find it offensive. It could also, depending on the nature of the language used, be considered racially or religiously aggrevated. I would suggest though, that all of us, will have been in a crowd at some point been in crowds where multiple public order offences have been committed (man united fans singing about hillsborough for example) and the police have not waded in. Why do we think that is?

We have a tradition in this country (pre-dating armistice) of the right to protest. I want that tradition respected.

comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
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We have a tradition in this country (pre-dating armistice) of the right to protest. I want that tradition respected.
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Hence why I’m not advocating banning protests. Look let’s catch up on Sunday or Monday and we’ll see if anything happened.

With the context of the extent of any disruption versus disruption from football games, or standard Friday/Saturday nights out 👍

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posted 11 minutes ago
If any of you think a public order offends is sufficient for calling for the rpe of mothers and daughters is sufficient legal justice then just say so.

I do not.
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So what should they be charged with if not a public order offence?
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Is this supposed to be a joke question?

comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 21 seconds ago
With the context of the extent of any disruption versus disruption from football games, or standard Friday/Saturday nights out 👍
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You have to also add the context which I have listed on here earlier today.
These are protests that are not only chanting a phrase which is extremely offensive to Jewish people but laps calling for jihad, calling for armies and calling for the rpe of Jewish mothers and daughters on a mega phone in Jewish areas of London, assaulting a 78 year old veteran selling poppies.

I don’t know which ‘firm’ was the worst back in the 70s & 80s for football violence & crime but let’s just say Millwall or something. Let’s not pretend that it’s filled with angels.

When was the last time you saw a March for cancer being violent, assaulting, defacing public buildings?

We didn’t tolerate football hooliganism, why have we decided to tolerate protests like what we saw with BLM, JSO and these Palestinian protests? Why excuse them?
They just need to protest properly, like civilised people, which most of them do of course. But a large minority does a lot of damage, much like football fans had to face when their teams were banned from fans attending etc.

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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comment by Hector (U3606)
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If any of you think a public order offends is sufficient for calling for the rpe of mothers and daughters is sufficient legal justice then just say so.

I do not.
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So what should they be charged with if not a public order offence?
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Is this supposed to be a joke question?
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FYI Hector - all charges were dropped. So they received nothing, absolutely nothing for driving through London calling for the rpe of Jewish mothers & daughters.



This is exactly what I am talking about. Same thing happens with more minor offences like defacing buildings graffitiing etc. so what happens when people see that there are no consequences? They do it again and again and again and normally escalate their behaviour also.

Ffs I’m no asking for anything controversial here, or at least it shouldn’t be controversial….

Does the parade route go through “Jewish areas of London?” That feels inflammatory if it is.

comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 1 minute ago
Does the parade route go through “Jewish areas of London?” That feels inflammatory if it is.
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Not really, no.

Parade 🤣🤣🤣

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
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Parade 🤣🤣🤣
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Is that the Qu33rs for Palestine section with floats and music?

Poor choice of words while on the move vis a vis “parade”. It is good it doesn’t go through Jewish areas. It was just because you mentioned that happening I thought I would ask.

And tbh Satters, we tolerate football fans mocking the death of 96 innocent men women and children at hillsborough every week. We tolerate anti-catholic and anti-Irish abuse on a weekly basis. We tolerate the most horrendous abuse directed at players like Harry Maguire. As a country, we tolerate a lot.

We used to be arguably the most tolerant country in the world put the Tories and they're awful supporters have put paid to that.

comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 9 minutes ago
Poor choice of words while on the move vis a vis “parade”. It is good it doesn’t go through Jewish areas. It was just because you mentioned that happening I thought I would ask.
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Nah that was just some morons in a convoy of cars

Bloody hell. Try that again.

We used to be arguably the most tolerant country in the world but the Tories and their awful supporters have put paid to that.

comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 5 minutes ago
And tbh Satters, we tolerate football fans mocking the death of 96 innocent men women and children at hillsborough every week. We tolerate anti-catholic and anti-Irish abuse on a weekly basis. We tolerate the most horrendous abuse directed at players like Harry Maguire. As a country, we tolerate a lot.
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That’s a little different to literally calling for the rpe of Jewish mothers & daughters mate. Still horrendous, sure. But calling for rpe deliberately in a Jewish area on a megaphone? Yeah not really comparable tbh.

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comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
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And tbh Satters, we tolerate football fans mocking the death of 96 innocent men women and children at hillsborough every week. We tolerate anti-catholic and anti-Irish abuse on a weekly basis. We tolerate the most horrendous abuse directed at players like Harry Maguire. As a country, we tolerate a lot.
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That’s a little different to literally calling for the rpe of Jewish mothers & daughters mate. Still horrendous, sure. But calling for rpe deliberately in a Jewish area on a megaphone? Yeah not really comparable tbh.
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That is obviously horrendous, but conflating that with a march in a different part of London I don’t think is reasonable. That’s the issue I have. Those people might ride around with a megaphone regardless of whether there is a march or not. There’s an argument they’re more likely to if there isn’t a march.

I’d also encourage you to reflect on the relentless abuse Stephen McLean and his family have received throughout his career, and whether that is much different to the megaphone @r$eholes you’re talking about.

Sorry, James, not Stephen 😂