In 1990, nah! Pints were about £2.
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posted 7 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by Onana what's my name? (U14210)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 hours, 24 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/education/article/2024/may/19/ex-ministers-warn-uk-universities-will-go-bust-without-higher-fees-or-funding
Levelling up.
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We have far too many people going to university anyway. They should cap the numbers. We really struggle to promote apprenticeships and other alternatives to university in this country
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You have to make alternatives worth the effort. Who can afford to do a 2 year apprenticeship in a trade on £3ph. Then there's the pay disparity in graduate jobs and non graduate blue collar jobs. If, say, you wanted to retrain and become a chef you need to accept the pay, hours and conditions will be crap.
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I thought they were entitled to at least minimum wage.
I know kids who are getting paid more doing an apprenticeships than what graduates are earning. I've always encouraged my children to go to uni, now I'm hoping my youngest 2 opt for an apprenticeship. My oldest got her degree but is now looking at doing an apprenticeship because employees are looking for experience. The job market is now saturated with people with degrees.
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The job market isn't saturated with people with degrees because too many people are going to University. In fact, some University could be made compulsory because getting a job shouldn't be the only reason for going to University. It also serves to foster critical thinking in society and Universities have led the way in science and technology, social sciences etc, driving the advancement of the human race over the last few centuries more than any other institution I can think of. This will not change IMO.
The problem is that job markets are not able to absorb all these graduates anymore. That means the problem isn't the Universities themselves but matters to do with policy and governments not prioritizing such things, instead preferring to cut funding to education and health and give billions to people like Ratcliffe to build companies to supercharge plastic production when that money could be used to fund policies for actual job creation. Instead they focus on big business in some false hope that organisations completely and utterly committed to profit will save the day and look after the people. Meanwhile the organisations do everything in their power to introduce strategies and technology to cut costs and hire as few people as possible.
Furthermore, if apprenticeship were so good then everyone would be doing them. They have their disadvantages which may not be as well known or as evident as Universities.
My oldest got her degree but is now looking at doing an apprenticeship because employees are looking for experience
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So she's basically gonna do an internship?
Mr Netanyahu said in a statement that he rejected "with disgust The Hague prosecutor's comparison between democratic Israel and the mass murderers of Hamas".
Mamba
Uni has represented the golden ticket to a higher paid job. Youngsters in this country are given a choice of A Levels then Uni or go into the job market on an unlivable wage. Some trades pay okay, I'm thinking plumbing in particular. Others not so much. It's hardly encouraging kids to learn a trade of you're offering them a starting wage of £6.32ph. Then there's other social aspects like invariably working shifts, unsociable hours, bank holidays, weekends and holidays like Christmas etc. There's no recompense for working the above.
If you were 16 again faced with the above options which would you take?
Fields
Most skilled workers in the construction industry earn £40k a year, many earn twice that
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posted 8 seconds ago
Fields
Most skilled workers in the construction industry earn £40k a year, many earn twice that
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In which job specifically?
Even the most skilled, most experienced brickie isn't earning that much.
Fields, a couple of my mates are Brickies and their wages have rocketed last couple of years, for a pretty standard Mon-Fri and maybe one or two Saturdays they can both earn 40k plus, they are on price work as they tell it and as a desk jockey I am not sure if that makes any diffirence?
Construction jobs destroy your body, I've encouraged every member of the Hector Youth to avoid trades work and go to uni. All of us that went on site have various physical ailments from arthritic knees to back muscle tears.
I wonder how many of those that believe there are too many students or who want to force apprenticeships rather than degrees onto, let's face it, poorer people have ever set foot on sites
comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted 3 minutes ago
Fields, a couple of my mates are Brickies and their wages have rocketed last couple of years, for a pretty standard Mon-Fri and maybe one or two Saturdays they can both earn 40k plus, they are on price work as they tell it and as a desk jockey I am not sure if that makes any diffirence?
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Really? That's mad. Heard on the radio earlier jobs in construction, hospitality and care are being offered to benefit claimants because of a shortfall in workers.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 8 seconds ago
Fields
Most skilled workers in the construction industry earn £40k a year, many earn twice that
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In which job specifically?
Even the most skilled, most experienced brickie isn't earning that much.
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They are, a good brickie can earn £300 a day easily.
Shuttering joiners/carpenters are in high demand atm and can earn the same
Site foreman job is advertised at £48kpa.
Time it's as much keeping those who may not aspire to move up to supervisory/management levels. Not everyone can take those jobs. It needs to be commensurate for those happy to go to work, do a day and get paid.
If there's anything construction related to get into it's project/construction manager.
I've worked with some very good ones but 75% of them are quite useless who do nothing more than pass emails around and expect the architects or PME engineers to do their jobs for them.
Starting salary is around £30k and most end up earning £60k+.
Gazans ‘shackled and blindfolded’ at Israel hospital https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crgygdr7vezo
War criminals.
school mate of mine was a thick as pig shiite went into construction after school...his dad was the owner of a construction firm so he had the contacts, etc
he worked for carillion out in arabia for years as a construction & project manager earns v good $$
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted 3 minutes ago
Fields, a couple of my mates are Brickies and their wages have rocketed last couple of years, for a pretty standard Mon-Fri and maybe one or two Saturdays they can both earn 40k plus, they are on price work as they tell it and as a desk jockey I am not sure if that makes any diffirence?
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Really? That's mad. Heard on the radio earlier jobs in construction, hospitality and care are being offered to benefit claimants because of a shortfall in workers.
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Thats part of the reason I feel they are getting paid better than previously, they have been n sites and have been almost headhunted by other teams for jobs as they cannot get enough good tradesmen, they are in their 40s and dont want to work as much now but the cash on offer is too tempting
Brickies are getting around a £1 a brick atm on some jobs.
It takes a while to.become a skilled brickie. Kids aren't walking on to jobs aged 18 getting £300pw. That's after apprecticship, training, qualifications and years of experience on the job. It's the promise of jam tomorrow.
Not to mention construction isn't the only trade in need.
Take 2 18 year olds, one goes to uni & gets a graduate jib.the other goes into practical work through an apprecticship. Who's earning more after 5 years?
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 27 minutes ago
It takes a while to.become a skilled brickie. Kids aren't walking on to jobs aged 18 getting £300pw. That's after apprecticship, training, qualifications and years of experience on the job. It's the promise of jam tomorrow.
Not to mention construction isn't the only trade in need.
Take 2 18 year olds, one goes to uni & gets a graduate jib.the other goes into practical work through an apprecticship. Who's earning more after 5 years?
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It takes a while to become a useful graduate too. Most come into our work not knowing their a-from-e - and many don't last the probationary 6-month period. Of course, some move on by choice too.
There are way too many graduates about, frankly. Uni should be about developing the best minds - not putting kids through some pointless course, just to attain the letters. Said it years ago, got called elitist, forgot about it - now it's moving into the "common sense" category.
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
If there's anything construction related to get into it's project/construction manager.
I've worked with some very good ones but 75% of them are quite useless who do nothing more than pass emails around and expect the architects or PME engineers to do their jobs for them.
Starting salary is around £30k and most end up earning £60k+.
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When I was in construction, we used to dread working with Balfour-Beattie.
They mostly used ex military personnel as management, great at keeping discipline and H&S tight but didn’t have a clue about the technical side of things
BREAKING: The High Court rules that the Government's anti-protest legislation is unlawful, in a major victory for campaigners Liberty
The Court found Suella Braverman had lowered the threshold for police to intervene to even cover protests with 'normal' levels of disruption.
How many times have these cockroaches broken the law now?
comment by Sydney Sweeney (U11781)
posted 18 minutes ago
BREAKING: The High Court rules that the Government's anti-protest legislation is unlawful, in a major victory for campaigners Liberty
The Court found Suella Braverman had lowered the threshold for police to intervene to even cover protests with 'normal' levels of disruption.
How many times have these cockroaches broken the law now?
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Which cockroaches? BLM? JSO? River to the Sea?
Israel's visit to Hampden Park to face Scotland in Euro 2025 qualifying on 31 May will be played behind closed doors because of security
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 hours ago
Construction jobs destroy your body, I've encouraged every member of the Hector Youth to avoid trades work and go to uni. All of us that went on site have various physical ailments from arthritic knees to back muscle tears.
I wonder how many of those that believe there are too many students or who want to force apprenticeships rather than degrees onto, let's face it, poorer people have ever set foot on sites
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Your lads a nurse isn't he? He better get used to having a bad back, I know they're meant to use a hoist but most medical staff haven't the time or the patience to use one.
You are right about being in the building trade. I know a few guys who are in the building trade and a lot of them suffer with their knees.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sydney Sweeney (U11781)
posted 18 minutes ago
BREAKING: The High Court rules that the Government's anti-protest legislation is unlawful, in a major victory for campaigners Liberty
The Court found Suella Braverman had lowered the threshold for police to intervene to even cover protests with 'normal' levels of disruption.
How many times have these cockroaches broken the law now?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which cockroaches? BLM? JSO? River to the Sea?
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posted on 20/5/24
In 1990, nah! Pints were about £2.
posted on 21/5/24
comment by clapfreesince2003 (U22207)
posted 7 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by Onana what's my name? (U14210)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 7 hours, 24 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/education/article/2024/may/19/ex-ministers-warn-uk-universities-will-go-bust-without-higher-fees-or-funding
Levelling up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We have far too many people going to university anyway. They should cap the numbers. We really struggle to promote apprenticeships and other alternatives to university in this country
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You have to make alternatives worth the effort. Who can afford to do a 2 year apprenticeship in a trade on £3ph. Then there's the pay disparity in graduate jobs and non graduate blue collar jobs. If, say, you wanted to retrain and become a chef you need to accept the pay, hours and conditions will be crap.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I thought they were entitled to at least minimum wage.
I know kids who are getting paid more doing an apprenticeships than what graduates are earning. I've always encouraged my children to go to uni, now I'm hoping my youngest 2 opt for an apprenticeship. My oldest got her degree but is now looking at doing an apprenticeship because employees are looking for experience. The job market is now saturated with people with degrees.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The job market isn't saturated with people with degrees because too many people are going to University. In fact, some University could be made compulsory because getting a job shouldn't be the only reason for going to University. It also serves to foster critical thinking in society and Universities have led the way in science and technology, social sciences etc, driving the advancement of the human race over the last few centuries more than any other institution I can think of. This will not change IMO.
The problem is that job markets are not able to absorb all these graduates anymore. That means the problem isn't the Universities themselves but matters to do with policy and governments not prioritizing such things, instead preferring to cut funding to education and health and give billions to people like Ratcliffe to build companies to supercharge plastic production when that money could be used to fund policies for actual job creation. Instead they focus on big business in some false hope that organisations completely and utterly committed to profit will save the day and look after the people. Meanwhile the organisations do everything in their power to introduce strategies and technology to cut costs and hire as few people as possible.
Furthermore, if apprenticeship were so good then everyone would be doing them. They have their disadvantages which may not be as well known or as evident as Universities.
posted on 21/5/24
My oldest got her degree but is now looking at doing an apprenticeship because employees are looking for experience
=====
So she's basically gonna do an internship?
posted on 21/5/24
Mr Netanyahu said in a statement that he rejected "with disgust The Hague prosecutor's comparison between democratic Israel and the mass murderers of Hamas".
posted on 21/5/24
Mamba
Uni has represented the golden ticket to a higher paid job. Youngsters in this country are given a choice of A Levels then Uni or go into the job market on an unlivable wage. Some trades pay okay, I'm thinking plumbing in particular. Others not so much. It's hardly encouraging kids to learn a trade of you're offering them a starting wage of £6.32ph. Then there's other social aspects like invariably working shifts, unsociable hours, bank holidays, weekends and holidays like Christmas etc. There's no recompense for working the above.
If you were 16 again faced with the above options which would you take?
posted on 21/5/24
Fields
Most skilled workers in the construction industry earn £40k a year, many earn twice that
posted on 21/5/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 8 seconds ago
Fields
Most skilled workers in the construction industry earn £40k a year, many earn twice that
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In which job specifically?
Even the most skilled, most experienced brickie isn't earning that much.
posted on 21/5/24
Fields, a couple of my mates are Brickies and their wages have rocketed last couple of years, for a pretty standard Mon-Fri and maybe one or two Saturdays they can both earn 40k plus, they are on price work as they tell it and as a desk jockey I am not sure if that makes any diffirence?
posted on 21/5/24
Construction jobs destroy your body, I've encouraged every member of the Hector Youth to avoid trades work and go to uni. All of us that went on site have various physical ailments from arthritic knees to back muscle tears.
I wonder how many of those that believe there are too many students or who want to force apprenticeships rather than degrees onto, let's face it, poorer people have ever set foot on sites
posted on 21/5/24
comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted 3 minutes ago
Fields, a couple of my mates are Brickies and their wages have rocketed last couple of years, for a pretty standard Mon-Fri and maybe one or two Saturdays they can both earn 40k plus, they are on price work as they tell it and as a desk jockey I am not sure if that makes any diffirence?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really? That's mad. Heard on the radio earlier jobs in construction, hospitality and care are being offered to benefit claimants because of a shortfall in workers.
posted on 21/5/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 8 seconds ago
Fields
Most skilled workers in the construction industry earn £40k a year, many earn twice that
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In which job specifically?
Even the most skilled, most experienced brickie isn't earning that much.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They are, a good brickie can earn £300 a day easily.
Shuttering joiners/carpenters are in high demand atm and can earn the same
posted on 21/5/24
Site foreman job is advertised at £48kpa.
Time it's as much keeping those who may not aspire to move up to supervisory/management levels. Not everyone can take those jobs. It needs to be commensurate for those happy to go to work, do a day and get paid.
posted on 21/5/24
If there's anything construction related to get into it's project/construction manager.
I've worked with some very good ones but 75% of them are quite useless who do nothing more than pass emails around and expect the architects or PME engineers to do their jobs for them.
Starting salary is around £30k and most end up earning £60k+.
posted on 21/5/24
Gazans ‘shackled and blindfolded’ at Israel hospital https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crgygdr7vezo
War criminals.
posted on 21/5/24
school mate of mine was a thick as pig shiite went into construction after school...his dad was the owner of a construction firm so he had the contacts, etc
he worked for carillion out in arabia for years as a construction & project manager earns v good $$
posted on 21/5/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted 3 minutes ago
Fields, a couple of my mates are Brickies and their wages have rocketed last couple of years, for a pretty standard Mon-Fri and maybe one or two Saturdays they can both earn 40k plus, they are on price work as they tell it and as a desk jockey I am not sure if that makes any diffirence?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Really? That's mad. Heard on the radio earlier jobs in construction, hospitality and care are being offered to benefit claimants because of a shortfall in workers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Thats part of the reason I feel they are getting paid better than previously, they have been n sites and have been almost headhunted by other teams for jobs as they cannot get enough good tradesmen, they are in their 40s and dont want to work as much now but the cash on offer is too tempting
posted on 21/5/24
Brickies are getting around a £1 a brick atm on some jobs.
posted on 21/5/24
It takes a while to.become a skilled brickie. Kids aren't walking on to jobs aged 18 getting £300pw. That's after apprecticship, training, qualifications and years of experience on the job. It's the promise of jam tomorrow.
Not to mention construction isn't the only trade in need.
Take 2 18 year olds, one goes to uni & gets a graduate jib.the other goes into practical work through an apprecticship. Who's earning more after 5 years?
posted on 21/5/24
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 27 minutes ago
It takes a while to.become a skilled brickie. Kids aren't walking on to jobs aged 18 getting £300pw. That's after apprecticship, training, qualifications and years of experience on the job. It's the promise of jam tomorrow.
Not to mention construction isn't the only trade in need.
Take 2 18 year olds, one goes to uni & gets a graduate jib.the other goes into practical work through an apprecticship. Who's earning more after 5 years?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It takes a while to become a useful graduate too. Most come into our work not knowing their a-from-e - and many don't last the probationary 6-month period. Of course, some move on by choice too.
There are way too many graduates about, frankly. Uni should be about developing the best minds - not putting kids through some pointless course, just to attain the letters. Said it years ago, got called elitist, forgot about it - now it's moving into the "common sense" category.
posted on 21/5/24
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
If there's anything construction related to get into it's project/construction manager.
I've worked with some very good ones but 75% of them are quite useless who do nothing more than pass emails around and expect the architects or PME engineers to do their jobs for them.
Starting salary is around £30k and most end up earning £60k+.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
When I was in construction, we used to dread working with Balfour-Beattie.
They mostly used ex military personnel as management, great at keeping discipline and H&S tight but didn’t have a clue about the technical side of things
posted on 21/5/24
BREAKING: The High Court rules that the Government's anti-protest legislation is unlawful, in a major victory for campaigners Liberty
The Court found Suella Braverman had lowered the threshold for police to intervene to even cover protests with 'normal' levels of disruption.
How many times have these cockroaches broken the law now?
posted on 21/5/24
comment by Sydney Sweeney (U11781)
posted 18 minutes ago
BREAKING: The High Court rules that the Government's anti-protest legislation is unlawful, in a major victory for campaigners Liberty
The Court found Suella Braverman had lowered the threshold for police to intervene to even cover protests with 'normal' levels of disruption.
How many times have these cockroaches broken the law now?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which cockroaches? BLM? JSO? River to the Sea?
posted on 21/5/24
Israel's visit to Hampden Park to face Scotland in Euro 2025 qualifying on 31 May will be played behind closed doors because of security
posted on 21/5/24
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 4 hours ago
Construction jobs destroy your body, I've encouraged every member of the Hector Youth to avoid trades work and go to uni. All of us that went on site have various physical ailments from arthritic knees to back muscle tears.
I wonder how many of those that believe there are too many students or who want to force apprenticeships rather than degrees onto, let's face it, poorer people have ever set foot on sites
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Your lads a nurse isn't he? He better get used to having a bad back, I know they're meant to use a hoist but most medical staff haven't the time or the patience to use one.
You are right about being in the building trade. I know a few guys who are in the building trade and a lot of them suffer with their knees.
posted on 21/5/24
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sydney Sweeney (U11781)
posted 18 minutes ago
BREAKING: The High Court rules that the Government's anti-protest legislation is unlawful, in a major victory for campaigners Liberty
The Court found Suella Braverman had lowered the threshold for police to intervene to even cover protests with 'normal' levels of disruption.
How many times have these cockroaches broken the law now?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which cockroaches? BLM? JSO? River to the Sea?
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Convenient loss of reading ability
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