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posted less than a minute ago
What could be more peaceful than trying to deface a priceless piece of art?
I believe the Dalai Lama recommends it.
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The people who have been sentenced today weren't on trial for that though. They were on trial for disrupting public infrastructure.
Do you think the farmers who did the same should also be handed prison sentences?
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted less than a minute ago
What could be more peaceful than trying to deface a priceless piece of art?
I believe the Dalai Lama recommends it.
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The people who have been sentenced today weren't on trial for that though. They were on trial for disrupting public infrastructure.
Do you think the farmers who did the same should also be handed prison sentences?
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I know but it was the same protest group.
If farmers deliberately bring a busy motorway to a standstill during rush hour they shouldn't be treated any differently.
As far as I know though, the farmers weren't climbing up bridges and gantries causing danger both to themselves and the general public.
Just as well we have ample prison spaces for these monsters.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted less than a minute ago
What could be more peaceful than trying to deface a priceless piece of art?
I believe the Dalai Lama recommends it.
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The people who have been sentenced today weren't on trial for that though. They were on trial for disrupting public infrastructure.
Do you think the farmers who did the same should also be handed prison sentences?
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I know but it was the same protest group.
If farmers deliberately bring a busy motorway to a standstill during rush hour they shouldn't be treated any differently.
As far as I know though, the farmers weren't climbing up bridges and gantries causing danger both to themselves and the general public.
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So basically people should lose their right to a fair and independent trial if anyone has ever committed an illegal act that can be affiliated to your cause?
The farmers were blocking roads with tractors and driving at unsafe slow speeds on roads. That creates a danger to the public. It also targets public infrastructure to cause disruption, which is what the judge found the JSO members guilty of. If you are against the one, it is hypocritical to make exceptions for the other.
Seriously looks like Biden steps down this weekend.
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comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted about a minute ago
Why didn't the people kicking off about JSO stopping traffic also kick off about the farmers doing the same several times this year?
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They didn’t go around trying to destroy works of art or people’s property. The public are generally supportive of the grim reality for farmers these days. These other clowns have lost the mainstream public confidence.
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This is specifically about stopping traffic though. Making people late for appointments etc.
No one complains when farmers to it. So is it OK for groups you agree with to do it, but not those you don't like for other reasons?
As an ardent Brexiter, what's your opinion on this go slow protest by leavers? Should they have faced prison time rather than being fined, or were they OK to do what they did?
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It wasn’t as simple as stopping traffic though.
And I’m not or wasn’t an ardent Brexiter. What that has to do with this is anyone’s guess however.
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You were one of the biggest Leavers on here.
It is that simple. They were charged under conspiracy to cause public nuisance and they judge handed down a sentence based on it being direct action against national infrastructure. Most of the arguments against JSO have been about the road blockages inconveniencing the general public and potentially stopping people making hospital appointments.
The farmer road blockades and the Brexit go slow protests have exactly the same effect. You refusing to acknowledge they be treated the same because you sympathise with them is very relevant. It demonstrates how the conspiracy to cause public nuisance act is used as a political weapon to target protests people don't like.
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Again, what on earth does my thoughts on Brexit have to do with this? I’m genuinely baffled. My guess is it’s nothing. As for being one of the biggest believers on here, just me having been supportive of Brexit at the time on this thread would probably have put me in a group of one, so it’s hardly an “accolade” to be the biggest.
Farmers didn’t continually disrupt infrastructure anywhere near the level that this group have. If they did, I’d want the same treatment handed down.
They’ve broken the law continuously and with scant regard to it. If you feel they have been harshly treated so be it. No point in arguing about it further.
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I'm not sure how I can make it more clear for you. Maybe try caveman? You being leave mean you think Brexit protest good. Impact not important. Only cause.
Farmers have repeatedly done it this year. It isn't a one off.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/feb/10/uk-farmers-vow-to-mount-more-blockades-over-cheap-post-brexit-imports-and-supermarket-prices
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c720x5d18eno
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/25/tractors-london-farmers-protest/
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These protests are nothing to do with Brexit for goodness sake. If that’s what you’re trying to imply.
If it’s not; I’m lost
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No put the Brexit ones where they stopped traffic I posted about as an example in this very thread of comments did. You being a Brexiter was used as an example of how people will make allowances for causes they agree with.
Surely you can't be as dense as you're pretending to be here.
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I’ll ignore that last bit of that’s ok. Surely you don’t expect a response to that.
No; I don’t choose to pick and choose what suits me. These protest la for some time have been viewed as not being peaceful by the law. Not my decision. They’ve continually ignored it. What do you think they genuinely expected would happen?
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The individuals have only been trialled for that one incident. It isn't an accumulation thing.
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My apologies. I believe it was as a result of serial offending. If it was just the one offence (albeit an extremely serious one imo) then I can only assume the sentence handed down was based on the significant cost to the public purse and the private secure along with the many thousands of people disrupted over a period of time.
If it’s as unfair as some believe then they will undoubtedly have the right to appeal and no doubt be well funded fo do so. There’s a bit of me thinks they want this publicity though. Just my opinion.
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted less than a minute ago
What could be more peaceful than trying to deface a priceless piece of art?
I believe the Dalai Lama recommends it.
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The people who have been sentenced today weren't on trial for that though. They were on trial for disrupting public infrastructure.
Do you think the farmers who did the same should also be handed prison sentences?
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I know but it was the same protest group.
If farmers deliberately bring a busy motorway to a standstill during rush hour they shouldn't be treated any differently.
As far as I know though, the farmers weren't climbing up bridges and gantries causing danger both to themselves and the general public.
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So basically people should lose their right to a fair and independent trial if anyone has ever committed an illegal act that can be affiliated to your cause?
The farmers were blocking roads with tractors and driving at unsafe slow speeds on roads. That creates a danger to the public. It also targets public infrastructure to cause disruption, which is what the judge found the JSO members guilty of. If you are against the one, it is hypocritical to make exceptions for the other.
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I haven't made any exceptions. What makes you think their trial wasn't fair and independent, wasn't it held in Crown Court which means a judge and jury?
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 8 minutes ago
Just as well we have ample prison spaces for these monsters.
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Will they’ll actually see the inside of a cell under present circumstances?
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comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted about a minute ago
Why didn't the people kicking off about JSO stopping traffic also kick off about the farmers doing the same several times this year?
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They didn’t go around trying to destroy works of art or people’s property. The public are generally supportive of the grim reality for farmers these days. These other clowns have lost the mainstream public confidence.
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This is specifically about stopping traffic though. Making people late for appointments etc.
No one complains when farmers to it. So is it OK for groups you agree with to do it, but not those you don't like for other reasons?
As an ardent Brexiter, what's your opinion on this go slow protest by leavers? Should they have faced prison time rather than being fined, or were they OK to do what they did?
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It wasn’t as simple as stopping traffic though.
And I’m not or wasn’t an ardent Brexiter. What that has to do with this is anyone’s guess however.
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You were one of the biggest Leavers on here.
It is that simple. They were charged under conspiracy to cause public nuisance and they judge handed down a sentence based on it being direct action against national infrastructure. Most of the arguments against JSO have been about the road blockages inconveniencing the general public and potentially stopping people making hospital appointments.
The farmer road blockades and the Brexit go slow protests have exactly the same effect. You refusing to acknowledge they be treated the same because you sympathise with them is very relevant. It demonstrates how the conspiracy to cause public nuisance act is used as a political weapon to target protests people don't like.
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Again, what on earth does my thoughts on Brexit have to do with this? I’m genuinely baffled. My guess is it’s nothing. As for being one of the biggest believers on here, just me having been supportive of Brexit at the time on this thread would probably have put me in a group of one, so it’s hardly an “accolade” to be the biggest.
Farmers didn’t continually disrupt infrastructure anywhere near the level that this group have. If they did, I’d want the same treatment handed down.
They’ve broken the law continuously and with scant regard to it. If you feel they have been harshly treated so be it. No point in arguing about it further.
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I'm not sure how I can make it more clear for you. Maybe try caveman? You being leave mean you think Brexit protest good. Impact not important. Only cause.
Farmers have repeatedly done it this year. It isn't a one off.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/feb/10/uk-farmers-vow-to-mount-more-blockades-over-cheap-post-brexit-imports-and-supermarket-prices
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c720x5d18eno
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/25/tractors-london-farmers-protest/
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These protests are nothing to do with Brexit for goodness sake. If that’s what you’re trying to imply.
If it’s not; I’m lost
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No put the Brexit ones where they stopped traffic I posted about as an example in this very thread of comments did. You being a Brexiter was used as an example of how people will make allowances for causes they agree with.
Surely you can't be as dense as you're pretending to be here.
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I’ll ignore that last bit of that’s ok. Surely you don’t expect a response to that.
No; I don’t choose to pick and choose what suits me. These protest la for some time have been viewed as not being peaceful by the law. Not my decision. They’ve continually ignored it. What do you think they genuinely expected would happen?
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The individuals have only been trialled for that one incident. It isn't an accumulation thing.
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My apologies. I believe it was as a result of serial offending. If it was just the one offence (albeit an extremely serious one imo) then I can only assume the sentence handed down was based on the significant cost to the public purse and the private secure along with the many thousands of people disrupted over a period of time.
If it’s as unfair as some believe then they will undoubtedly have the right to appeal and no doubt be well funded fo do so. There’s a bit of me thinks they want this publicity though. Just my opinion.
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They have been trialled under the new public nuisance act that the Tories brought in to curtail protests they didn't like. My point about this is it will be used as a political weapon and unpopular protests will be punished whilst those that have more public or government backing will be ignored.
Hence why I bring up the farmer protests that had the exact same impact.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 32 minutes ago
Every year Glastonbury causes crippling tail backs and continuously disrupts infrastructure. It adds hours to journeys for people who have nothing to do with it.
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Yup
Offen when I go intoo Manhattan streets r block off becuse sumb dignitry is vuditin or wirld leeders r havin a meetin. Tjey shud all b arrested
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted less than a minute ago
What could be more peaceful than trying to deface a priceless piece of art?
I believe the Dalai Lama recommends it.
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The people who have been sentenced today weren't on trial for that though. They were on trial for disrupting public infrastructure.
Do you think the farmers who did the same should also be handed prison sentences?
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I know but it was the same protest group.
If farmers deliberately bring a busy motorway to a standstill during rush hour they shouldn't be treated any differently.
As far as I know though, the farmers weren't climbing up bridges and gantries causing danger both to themselves and the general public.
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So basically people should lose their right to a fair and independent trial if anyone has ever committed an illegal act that can be affiliated to your cause?
The farmers were blocking roads with tractors and driving at unsafe slow speeds on roads. That creates a danger to the public. It also targets public infrastructure to cause disruption, which is what the judge found the JSO members guilty of. If you are against the one, it is hypocritical to make exceptions for the other.
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I haven't made any exceptions. What makes you think their trial wasn't fair and independent, wasn't it held in Crown Court which means a judge and jury?
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You are though. You are refusing to condemn the farmer protests and excusing this one being treated differently based on not liking the protest group.
I believe this is an example of how the public nuisance act will be used as a political weapon to stop protests on unpopular or unwanted causes, whilst other get let go. We are basically losing our freedom to protest on whatever we want and people are applauding it.
Environmentalists imprisoned for causing public nuisance.
Meanwhile, water companies that dump sewage into our waters earn record profits.
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comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted about a minute ago
Why didn't the people kicking off about JSO stopping traffic also kick off about the farmers doing the same several times this year?
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They didn’t go around trying to destroy works of art or people’s property. The public are generally supportive of the grim reality for farmers these days. These other clowns have lost the mainstream public confidence.
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This is specifically about stopping traffic though. Making people late for appointments etc.
No one complains when farmers to it. So is it OK for groups you agree with to do it, but not those you don't like for other reasons?
As an ardent Brexiter, what's your opinion on this go slow protest by leavers? Should they have faced prison time rather than being fined, or were they OK to do what they did?
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It wasn’t as simple as stopping traffic though.
And I’m not or wasn’t an ardent Brexiter. What that has to do with this is anyone’s guess however.
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You were one of the biggest Leavers on here.
It is that simple. They were charged under conspiracy to cause public nuisance and they judge handed down a sentence based on it being direct action against national infrastructure. Most of the arguments against JSO have been about the road blockages inconveniencing the general public and potentially stopping people making hospital appointments.
The farmer road blockades and the Brexit go slow protests have exactly the same effect. You refusing to acknowledge they be treated the same because you sympathise with them is very relevant. It demonstrates how the conspiracy to cause public nuisance act is used as a political weapon to target protests people don't like.
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Again, what on earth does my thoughts on Brexit have to do with this? I’m genuinely baffled. My guess is it’s nothing. As for being one of the biggest believers on here, just me having been supportive of Brexit at the time on this thread would probably have put me in a group of one, so it’s hardly an “accolade” to be the biggest.
Farmers didn’t continually disrupt infrastructure anywhere near the level that this group have. If they did, I’d want the same treatment handed down.
They’ve broken the law continuously and with scant regard to it. If you feel they have been harshly treated so be it. No point in arguing about it further.
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I'm not sure how I can make it more clear for you. Maybe try caveman? You being leave mean you think Brexit protest good. Impact not important. Only cause.
Farmers have repeatedly done it this year. It isn't a one off.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/feb/10/uk-farmers-vow-to-mount-more-blockades-over-cheap-post-brexit-imports-and-supermarket-prices
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c720x5d18eno
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/25/tractors-london-farmers-protest/
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These protests are nothing to do with Brexit for goodness sake. If that’s what you’re trying to imply.
If it’s not; I’m lost
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No put the Brexit ones where they stopped traffic I posted about as an example in this very thread of comments did. You being a Brexiter was used as an example of how people will make allowances for causes they agree with.
Surely you can't be as dense as you're pretending to be here.
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I’ll ignore that last bit of that’s ok. Surely you don’t expect a response to that.
No; I don’t choose to pick and choose what suits me. These protest la for some time have been viewed as not being peaceful by the law. Not my decision. They’ve continually ignored it. What do you think they genuinely expected would happen?
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The individuals have only been trialled for that one incident. It isn't an accumulation thing.
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My apologies. I believe it was as a result of serial offending. If it was just the one offence (albeit an extremely serious one imo) then I can only assume the sentence handed down was based on the significant cost to the public purse and the private secure along with the many thousands of people disrupted over a period of time.
If it’s as unfair as some believe then they will undoubtedly have the right to appeal and no doubt be well funded fo do so. There’s a bit of me thinks they want this publicity though. Just my opinion.
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They have been trialled under the new public nuisance act that the Tories brought in to curtail protests they didn't like. My point about this is it will be used as a political weapon and unpopular protests will be punished whilst those that have more public or government backing will be ignored.
Hence why I bring up the farmer protests that had the exact same impact.
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I get why you bring it up, but as has been mentioned; this trial involved a jury did it not? I’m genuinely not sure and have very little interest in this to be honest. I expected jail time sooner or later for these activists.
comment by Onana what's my name? (U14210)
posted 7 minutes ago
Riot police now in Leeds
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Y?
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 10 minutes ago
Environmentalists imprisoned for causing public nuisance.
Meanwhile, water companies that dump sewage into our waters earn record profits.
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Sadly we don’t have the same accountability for senior executives as they have in the States. I wish we did.
In my view; no company should be legally allowed to award dividends unless paid entirely from profits for that partial year and for public services and utilities an additional caveat that they surpass minimum standards set by an entirely separate governing body.
Again, just my view
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comment by Onana what's my name? (U14210)
posted 7 minutes ago
Riot police now in Leeds
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Y?
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https://x.com/j98str/status/1814037362973786545?t=woUpP9zuVP_pUtX764pOIA&s=19
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 11 minutes ago
The judge is a Tory
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And this from?
Readiness of which; it’s the jury that establishes guilt or not.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 11 minutes ago
The judge is a Tory
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And this from?
Readiness of which; it’s the jury that establishes guilt or not.
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n r directed nye the judge who guide em on the purrtynent laws
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 11 minutes ago
The judge is a Tory
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And this from?
Readiness of which; it’s the jury that establishes guilt or not.
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But not sentencing
comment by #4zA (U22472)
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comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
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The judge is a Tory
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And this from?
Readiness of which; it’s the jury that establishes guilt or not.
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n r directed nye the judge who guide em on the purrtynent laws
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The jury decides. That’s it.
Fwiw; I believe they’ve lost all public sympathy and support so can see why a jury would convict and I’m firmly of the belief they will welcome a jail sentence. Not as hefty as this perhaps but that’s the risk they took.
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posted on 18/7/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted less than a minute ago
What could be more peaceful than trying to deface a priceless piece of art?
I believe the Dalai Lama recommends it.
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The people who have been sentenced today weren't on trial for that though. They were on trial for disrupting public infrastructure.
Do you think the farmers who did the same should also be handed prison sentences?
posted on 18/7/24
Well if the law says so.
posted on 18/7/24
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted less than a minute ago
What could be more peaceful than trying to deface a priceless piece of art?
I believe the Dalai Lama recommends it.
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The people who have been sentenced today weren't on trial for that though. They were on trial for disrupting public infrastructure.
Do you think the farmers who did the same should also be handed prison sentences?
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I know but it was the same protest group.
If farmers deliberately bring a busy motorway to a standstill during rush hour they shouldn't be treated any differently.
As far as I know though, the farmers weren't climbing up bridges and gantries causing danger both to themselves and the general public.
posted on 18/7/24
Just as well we have ample prison spaces for these monsters.
posted on 18/7/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted less than a minute ago
What could be more peaceful than trying to deface a priceless piece of art?
I believe the Dalai Lama recommends it.
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The people who have been sentenced today weren't on trial for that though. They were on trial for disrupting public infrastructure.
Do you think the farmers who did the same should also be handed prison sentences?
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I know but it was the same protest group.
If farmers deliberately bring a busy motorway to a standstill during rush hour they shouldn't be treated any differently.
As far as I know though, the farmers weren't climbing up bridges and gantries causing danger both to themselves and the general public.
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So basically people should lose their right to a fair and independent trial if anyone has ever committed an illegal act that can be affiliated to your cause?
The farmers were blocking roads with tractors and driving at unsafe slow speeds on roads. That creates a danger to the public. It also targets public infrastructure to cause disruption, which is what the judge found the JSO members guilty of. If you are against the one, it is hypocritical to make exceptions for the other.
posted on 18/7/24
Seriously looks like Biden steps down this weekend.
posted on 18/7/24
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comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted about a minute ago
Why didn't the people kicking off about JSO stopping traffic also kick off about the farmers doing the same several times this year?
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They didn’t go around trying to destroy works of art or people’s property. The public are generally supportive of the grim reality for farmers these days. These other clowns have lost the mainstream public confidence.
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This is specifically about stopping traffic though. Making people late for appointments etc.
No one complains when farmers to it. So is it OK for groups you agree with to do it, but not those you don't like for other reasons?
As an ardent Brexiter, what's your opinion on this go slow protest by leavers? Should they have faced prison time rather than being fined, or were they OK to do what they did?
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It wasn’t as simple as stopping traffic though.
And I’m not or wasn’t an ardent Brexiter. What that has to do with this is anyone’s guess however.
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You were one of the biggest Leavers on here.
It is that simple. They were charged under conspiracy to cause public nuisance and they judge handed down a sentence based on it being direct action against national infrastructure. Most of the arguments against JSO have been about the road blockages inconveniencing the general public and potentially stopping people making hospital appointments.
The farmer road blockades and the Brexit go slow protests have exactly the same effect. You refusing to acknowledge they be treated the same because you sympathise with them is very relevant. It demonstrates how the conspiracy to cause public nuisance act is used as a political weapon to target protests people don't like.
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Again, what on earth does my thoughts on Brexit have to do with this? I’m genuinely baffled. My guess is it’s nothing. As for being one of the biggest believers on here, just me having been supportive of Brexit at the time on this thread would probably have put me in a group of one, so it’s hardly an “accolade” to be the biggest.
Farmers didn’t continually disrupt infrastructure anywhere near the level that this group have. If they did, I’d want the same treatment handed down.
They’ve broken the law continuously and with scant regard to it. If you feel they have been harshly treated so be it. No point in arguing about it further.
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I'm not sure how I can make it more clear for you. Maybe try caveman? You being leave mean you think Brexit protest good. Impact not important. Only cause.
Farmers have repeatedly done it this year. It isn't a one off.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/feb/10/uk-farmers-vow-to-mount-more-blockades-over-cheap-post-brexit-imports-and-supermarket-prices
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c720x5d18eno
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/25/tractors-london-farmers-protest/
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These protests are nothing to do with Brexit for goodness sake. If that’s what you’re trying to imply.
If it’s not; I’m lost
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No put the Brexit ones where they stopped traffic I posted about as an example in this very thread of comments did. You being a Brexiter was used as an example of how people will make allowances for causes they agree with.
Surely you can't be as dense as you're pretending to be here.
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I’ll ignore that last bit of that’s ok. Surely you don’t expect a response to that.
No; I don’t choose to pick and choose what suits me. These protest la for some time have been viewed as not being peaceful by the law. Not my decision. They’ve continually ignored it. What do you think they genuinely expected would happen?
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The individuals have only been trialled for that one incident. It isn't an accumulation thing.
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My apologies. I believe it was as a result of serial offending. If it was just the one offence (albeit an extremely serious one imo) then I can only assume the sentence handed down was based on the significant cost to the public purse and the private secure along with the many thousands of people disrupted over a period of time.
If it’s as unfair as some believe then they will undoubtedly have the right to appeal and no doubt be well funded fo do so. There’s a bit of me thinks they want this publicity though. Just my opinion.
posted on 18/7/24
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
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What could be more peaceful than trying to deface a priceless piece of art?
I believe the Dalai Lama recommends it.
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The people who have been sentenced today weren't on trial for that though. They were on trial for disrupting public infrastructure.
Do you think the farmers who did the same should also be handed prison sentences?
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I know but it was the same protest group.
If farmers deliberately bring a busy motorway to a standstill during rush hour they shouldn't be treated any differently.
As far as I know though, the farmers weren't climbing up bridges and gantries causing danger both to themselves and the general public.
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So basically people should lose their right to a fair and independent trial if anyone has ever committed an illegal act that can be affiliated to your cause?
The farmers were blocking roads with tractors and driving at unsafe slow speeds on roads. That creates a danger to the public. It also targets public infrastructure to cause disruption, which is what the judge found the JSO members guilty of. If you are against the one, it is hypocritical to make exceptions for the other.
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I haven't made any exceptions. What makes you think their trial wasn't fair and independent, wasn't it held in Crown Court which means a judge and jury?
posted on 18/7/24
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 8 minutes ago
Just as well we have ample prison spaces for these monsters.
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Will they’ll actually see the inside of a cell under present circumstances?
posted on 18/7/24
Will they
Even
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Why didn't the people kicking off about JSO stopping traffic also kick off about the farmers doing the same several times this year?
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They didn’t go around trying to destroy works of art or people’s property. The public are generally supportive of the grim reality for farmers these days. These other clowns have lost the mainstream public confidence.
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This is specifically about stopping traffic though. Making people late for appointments etc.
No one complains when farmers to it. So is it OK for groups you agree with to do it, but not those you don't like for other reasons?
As an ardent Brexiter, what's your opinion on this go slow protest by leavers? Should they have faced prison time rather than being fined, or were they OK to do what they did?
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It wasn’t as simple as stopping traffic though.
And I’m not or wasn’t an ardent Brexiter. What that has to do with this is anyone’s guess however.
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You were one of the biggest Leavers on here.
It is that simple. They were charged under conspiracy to cause public nuisance and they judge handed down a sentence based on it being direct action against national infrastructure. Most of the arguments against JSO have been about the road blockages inconveniencing the general public and potentially stopping people making hospital appointments.
The farmer road blockades and the Brexit go slow protests have exactly the same effect. You refusing to acknowledge they be treated the same because you sympathise with them is very relevant. It demonstrates how the conspiracy to cause public nuisance act is used as a political weapon to target protests people don't like.
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Again, what on earth does my thoughts on Brexit have to do with this? I’m genuinely baffled. My guess is it’s nothing. As for being one of the biggest believers on here, just me having been supportive of Brexit at the time on this thread would probably have put me in a group of one, so it’s hardly an “accolade” to be the biggest.
Farmers didn’t continually disrupt infrastructure anywhere near the level that this group have. If they did, I’d want the same treatment handed down.
They’ve broken the law continuously and with scant regard to it. If you feel they have been harshly treated so be it. No point in arguing about it further.
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I'm not sure how I can make it more clear for you. Maybe try caveman? You being leave mean you think Brexit protest good. Impact not important. Only cause.
Farmers have repeatedly done it this year. It isn't a one off.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/feb/10/uk-farmers-vow-to-mount-more-blockades-over-cheap-post-brexit-imports-and-supermarket-prices
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c720x5d18eno
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/25/tractors-london-farmers-protest/
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These protests are nothing to do with Brexit for goodness sake. If that’s what you’re trying to imply.
If it’s not; I’m lost
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No put the Brexit ones where they stopped traffic I posted about as an example in this very thread of comments did. You being a Brexiter was used as an example of how people will make allowances for causes they agree with.
Surely you can't be as dense as you're pretending to be here.
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I’ll ignore that last bit of that’s ok. Surely you don’t expect a response to that.
No; I don’t choose to pick and choose what suits me. These protest la for some time have been viewed as not being peaceful by the law. Not my decision. They’ve continually ignored it. What do you think they genuinely expected would happen?
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The individuals have only been trialled for that one incident. It isn't an accumulation thing.
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My apologies. I believe it was as a result of serial offending. If it was just the one offence (albeit an extremely serious one imo) then I can only assume the sentence handed down was based on the significant cost to the public purse and the private secure along with the many thousands of people disrupted over a period of time.
If it’s as unfair as some believe then they will undoubtedly have the right to appeal and no doubt be well funded fo do so. There’s a bit of me thinks they want this publicity though. Just my opinion.
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They have been trialled under the new public nuisance act that the Tories brought in to curtail protests they didn't like. My point about this is it will be used as a political weapon and unpopular protests will be punished whilst those that have more public or government backing will be ignored.
Hence why I bring up the farmer protests that had the exact same impact.
posted on 18/7/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 32 minutes ago
Every year Glastonbury causes crippling tail backs and continuously disrupts infrastructure. It adds hours to journeys for people who have nothing to do with it.
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Yup
Offen when I go intoo Manhattan streets r block off becuse sumb dignitry is vuditin or wirld leeders r havin a meetin. Tjey shud all b arrested
posted on 18/7/24
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
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comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
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comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
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comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
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What could be more peaceful than trying to deface a priceless piece of art?
I believe the Dalai Lama recommends it.
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The people who have been sentenced today weren't on trial for that though. They were on trial for disrupting public infrastructure.
Do you think the farmers who did the same should also be handed prison sentences?
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I know but it was the same protest group.
If farmers deliberately bring a busy motorway to a standstill during rush hour they shouldn't be treated any differently.
As far as I know though, the farmers weren't climbing up bridges and gantries causing danger both to themselves and the general public.
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So basically people should lose their right to a fair and independent trial if anyone has ever committed an illegal act that can be affiliated to your cause?
The farmers were blocking roads with tractors and driving at unsafe slow speeds on roads. That creates a danger to the public. It also targets public infrastructure to cause disruption, which is what the judge found the JSO members guilty of. If you are against the one, it is hypocritical to make exceptions for the other.
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I haven't made any exceptions. What makes you think their trial wasn't fair and independent, wasn't it held in Crown Court which means a judge and jury?
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You are though. You are refusing to condemn the farmer protests and excusing this one being treated differently based on not liking the protest group.
I believe this is an example of how the public nuisance act will be used as a political weapon to stop protests on unpopular or unwanted causes, whilst other get let go. We are basically losing our freedom to protest on whatever we want and people are applauding it.
posted on 18/7/24
Environmentalists imprisoned for causing public nuisance.
Meanwhile, water companies that dump sewage into our waters earn record profits.
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The judge is a Tory
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Riot police now in Leeds
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Why didn't the people kicking off about JSO stopping traffic also kick off about the farmers doing the same several times this year?
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They didn’t go around trying to destroy works of art or people’s property. The public are generally supportive of the grim reality for farmers these days. These other clowns have lost the mainstream public confidence.
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This is specifically about stopping traffic though. Making people late for appointments etc.
No one complains when farmers to it. So is it OK for groups you agree with to do it, but not those you don't like for other reasons?
As an ardent Brexiter, what's your opinion on this go slow protest by leavers? Should they have faced prison time rather than being fined, or were they OK to do what they did?
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It wasn’t as simple as stopping traffic though.
And I’m not or wasn’t an ardent Brexiter. What that has to do with this is anyone’s guess however.
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You were one of the biggest Leavers on here.
It is that simple. They were charged under conspiracy to cause public nuisance and they judge handed down a sentence based on it being direct action against national infrastructure. Most of the arguments against JSO have been about the road blockages inconveniencing the general public and potentially stopping people making hospital appointments.
The farmer road blockades and the Brexit go slow protests have exactly the same effect. You refusing to acknowledge they be treated the same because you sympathise with them is very relevant. It demonstrates how the conspiracy to cause public nuisance act is used as a political weapon to target protests people don't like.
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Again, what on earth does my thoughts on Brexit have to do with this? I’m genuinely baffled. My guess is it’s nothing. As for being one of the biggest believers on here, just me having been supportive of Brexit at the time on this thread would probably have put me in a group of one, so it’s hardly an “accolade” to be the biggest.
Farmers didn’t continually disrupt infrastructure anywhere near the level that this group have. If they did, I’d want the same treatment handed down.
They’ve broken the law continuously and with scant regard to it. If you feel they have been harshly treated so be it. No point in arguing about it further.
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I'm not sure how I can make it more clear for you. Maybe try caveman? You being leave mean you think Brexit protest good. Impact not important. Only cause.
Farmers have repeatedly done it this year. It isn't a one off.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/feb/10/uk-farmers-vow-to-mount-more-blockades-over-cheap-post-brexit-imports-and-supermarket-prices
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c720x5d18eno
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/03/25/tractors-london-farmers-protest/
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These protests are nothing to do with Brexit for goodness sake. If that’s what you’re trying to imply.
If it’s not; I’m lost
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No put the Brexit ones where they stopped traffic I posted about as an example in this very thread of comments did. You being a Brexiter was used as an example of how people will make allowances for causes they agree with.
Surely you can't be as dense as you're pretending to be here.
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I’ll ignore that last bit of that’s ok. Surely you don’t expect a response to that.
No; I don’t choose to pick and choose what suits me. These protest la for some time have been viewed as not being peaceful by the law. Not my decision. They’ve continually ignored it. What do you think they genuinely expected would happen?
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The individuals have only been trialled for that one incident. It isn't an accumulation thing.
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My apologies. I believe it was as a result of serial offending. If it was just the one offence (albeit an extremely serious one imo) then I can only assume the sentence handed down was based on the significant cost to the public purse and the private secure along with the many thousands of people disrupted over a period of time.
If it’s as unfair as some believe then they will undoubtedly have the right to appeal and no doubt be well funded fo do so. There’s a bit of me thinks they want this publicity though. Just my opinion.
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They have been trialled under the new public nuisance act that the Tories brought in to curtail protests they didn't like. My point about this is it will be used as a political weapon and unpopular protests will be punished whilst those that have more public or government backing will be ignored.
Hence why I bring up the farmer protests that had the exact same impact.
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I get why you bring it up, but as has been mentioned; this trial involved a jury did it not? I’m genuinely not sure and have very little interest in this to be honest. I expected jail time sooner or later for these activists.
posted on 18/7/24
comment by Onana what's my name? (U14210)
posted 7 minutes ago
Riot police now in Leeds
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Y?
posted on 18/7/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 10 minutes ago
Environmentalists imprisoned for causing public nuisance.
Meanwhile, water companies that dump sewage into our waters earn record profits.
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Sadly we don’t have the same accountability for senior executives as they have in the States. I wish we did.
In my view; no company should be legally allowed to award dividends unless paid entirely from profits for that partial year and for public services and utilities an additional caveat that they surpass minimum standards set by an entirely separate governing body.
Again, just my view
posted on 18/7/24
comment by #4zA (U22472)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Onana what's my name? (U14210)
posted 7 minutes ago
Riot police now in Leeds
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Y?
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https://x.com/j98str/status/1814037362973786545?t=woUpP9zuVP_pUtX764pOIA&s=19
posted on 18/7/24
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 11 minutes ago
The judge is a Tory
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And this from?
Readiness of which; it’s the jury that establishes guilt or not.
posted on 18/7/24
Regardless of which
Even
posted on 18/7/24
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 11 minutes ago
The judge is a Tory
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And this from?
Readiness of which; it’s the jury that establishes guilt or not.
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n r directed nye the judge who guide em on the purrtynent laws
posted on 18/7/24
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 11 minutes ago
The judge is a Tory
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And this from?
Readiness of which; it’s the jury that establishes guilt or not.
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But not sentencing
posted on 18/7/24
comment by #4zA (U22472)
posted about a minute ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by CrouchEndGooner (U13531)
posted 11 minutes ago
The judge is a Tory
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And this from?
Readiness of which; it’s the jury that establishes guilt or not.
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n r directed nye the judge who guide em on the purrtynent laws
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The jury decides. That’s it.
Fwiw; I believe they’ve lost all public sympathy and support so can see why a jury would convict and I’m firmly of the belief they will welcome a jail sentence. Not as hefty as this perhaps but that’s the risk they took.
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