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"The fact that Braod\Bresnon and Swann are handy with the bat, is a Massive bonus"
spot on Neon. England have always had a long tail & followed the "wickets in hand" strategy... Now they seem to have a much more balanced team & they're enjoying their cricket.
Not sure yet mate. I can't remember the last time England won a away one day tour if you exclude Bangladesh. I think on flat tracks Anderson stuggles and batsman like Bell, Trott and Bopara and too slow especially against quality spinners. A big plus is Cook mind u who looks a good all round batman now.
I also agree with you there Kash. I must admit though, it's very exciting indeed.
If we beat India in their back yard then will the world implode?
Kash, try Sa 2010 before going to Bangladesh.
Do you think that we can beat India in India?
The next cricket world cup in in Oz and NZ, so I think England have a good chance.
In Oz the pitches will suit us and although they are a little slower in NZ I think we will do well there too.
What we do now is decide in the next year who are best team are and from 2013 pick the same 11 barring injuries and stick with them. This was they can get used to playing with each other and a settled side always wins the world cup.
If you look at the strength in depth we have, we have the potential to be number 1 in the world and win the next world cup.
"If you look at the strength in depth we have, we have the potential to be number 1 in the world and win the next world cup."
NO WAY! England will probably lose in the group stages
If England can climb the mountain in Test cricket, then there is no reason why they shouldn't be able to do the same thing in ODI's. Another question mght be; can England win a cricket World Cup?
Im not sure that "many" laughed - we had turned a corner a few years before - and we definately had potential.
I dont really watch the ODIs much - but obviously I follow it a bit - but can someone educate me? This series has been won - but won well? when was the last time we won well? and have we strung a few series wins on the bounce? the last ODI cricket I watched was the World Cup and we looked terrible (bear in mind Im going off memory not fact - and I naturally have a cynical eye on ODIs)
I mentioned that already Wazy but you're right, it's about time England lifted that cup!
As bcfc stated, the next WC is in Oz & NZ which will suit England better than the sub con teams
kieswetter seems to be a really good addition for england , they can reach number one but i dont see them ruling the roost in odi's given their inability to win many on flat pitches or turning pitches
As bcfc stated, the next WC is in Oz & NZ which will suit England better than the sub con teams
saying that pakistan reached finals in england 1999, india in 2003 when it was held in SA and srilanka in 2007 in WI
last time i checked indian won the odi series in australia in 2008 where as england lost 6-1 !
I would say that kieswetter is an ok player but not a really good addition.
His shot selection is poor at times resulting in losing an early wicket for little runs.
Who knows, he may progress into a top ODI player in time.
Cricket-fan your talking about the past, i'm talking about the future.
The article states that England have been a poor ODI team but can they change & become a force?
Since begining 2009 our record in ODI is
W L W W W L W W
Beating WI home, losing twice to Oz home and away, beating SA away, beating Banga twice away and home, beating Pakistan home, beating SL home and now beating India home.
I would say that kieswetter is an ok player but not a really good addition.???
i thought he is an impact player who gets off to a flier and lets others play at their own pace. which he has done very well in everymatch ,
i thought recent past would always be a good indication of the future!!
dont forget that you have played essentially a second string indian team and 9 of the 11 players who played in the wc finals or semis are not there .
if morgan gets injured who is ur lower order hitter??
we have got yuvraj/raina/dhoni/pathan?
with robin uthappa and tiwary waiting in the wings
India are still better than England and thats a fact! plain and simple. We will win tomorrow if the english climate doesnt get in the damn way!!!!
looking forward to playing you guys in INDIA
Don't agree that Ttott is too slow. He doesn't increase his RR toward the end of the innings, which I'd argue might be done by other players anyway. Might score more singles. He could improve, which is encouraging, but he's our most valuable ODI player, and without him we struggle to get the top 6 still batting after 40 overs.
Trott scoring runs is a massive statistical factor in England winning, and him failing is a big signifier of a defeat. So slow scoring isn't costing us games. And he does score at very different rates depending on the match conditions, so he is not as one paced as some say.
When people criticise Trott, they basically are saying he's not perfect. Which is true. It'd be nice if he could bowl ten overs of high quality legspin as well. But what he does offer is indispensable.
Getting a plausible hitter at six has long been England's problem. And a death bowler. Basically, Andrew Flintoff.
Well said Mildred - I'm really looking forward to the away fixture in India
They CWC should have taught England that a different kind of team is more likely to be successful in India/SL. They began to address this with the selection of Dernbach. Shahzad might come back. Meaker is worth looking at.
We could do with an A team tour of Asian countries to look at emerging talent, and conditions. We needed this before the WC.
And an attack of tall fast bowlers hitting short of a length isn't going to work. And we need spinning options.
For the winter, how about:
Kieswetter/Cook/Trott/Pietersen/Morgan/Stokes/
Patel/Broad/Swann/Borthwick/Dernbach.
Reserves: Bopara/Buttler/Bresnan/Shahzad or Meaker.
When they are all fit. Slokes is only in if he bowls.
Anyway, winning at home and being competitive away, isn't bad. Especially as ODI cricket isn't valued here. It feels like England get kicked around when they lose ODIs, but no one really cares when they win.
I've only seen Stokes play since he got picked for England but apart from being left handed I don't see him as better than Woakes. Woakes is a beautiful clean ball striker and a genuine bowler, he's well on the way to batting as an all rounder.
I've only seen Woakes playing for England, so not at all with a red ball. His batting looks pretty useful for a number seven. But we have a lot a better bowlers than him, surely? Though his stats are great for Warks. Is he someone who could do well in India? He's not a slingy, skiddy reverse swinger. He's a bit quicker than medium. He reminds me stylistically of Liam Plunkett.
Stokes and Borthwick are speculative picks. I've said on an another post about inexperienced players taking a long time to find their feet at international level for England. Yet the alternatives (go back to Wright, Tredwell) don't feel ideal either. Which is why Lions tours are useful.
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posted on 15/9/11
"The fact that Braod\Bresnon and Swann are handy with the bat, is a Massive bonus"
spot on Neon. England have always had a long tail & followed the "wickets in hand" strategy... Now they seem to have a much more balanced team & they're enjoying their cricket.
posted on 15/9/11
Not sure yet mate. I can't remember the last time England won a away one day tour if you exclude Bangladesh. I think on flat tracks Anderson stuggles and batsman like Bell, Trott and Bopara and too slow especially against quality spinners. A big plus is Cook mind u who looks a good all round batman now.
posted on 15/9/11
I also agree with you there Kash. I must admit though, it's very exciting indeed.
If we beat India in their back yard then will the world implode?
posted on 15/9/11
Kash, try Sa 2010 before going to Bangladesh.
posted on 15/9/11
Do you think that we can beat India in India?
posted on 15/9/11
The next cricket world cup in in Oz and NZ, so I think England have a good chance.
In Oz the pitches will suit us and although they are a little slower in NZ I think we will do well there too.
What we do now is decide in the next year who are best team are and from 2013 pick the same 11 barring injuries and stick with them. This was they can get used to playing with each other and a settled side always wins the world cup.
If you look at the strength in depth we have, we have the potential to be number 1 in the world and win the next world cup.
posted on 15/9/11
"If you look at the strength in depth we have, we have the potential to be number 1 in the world and win the next world cup."
NO WAY! England will probably lose in the group stages
posted on 15/9/11
If England can climb the mountain in Test cricket, then there is no reason why they shouldn't be able to do the same thing in ODI's. Another question mght be; can England win a cricket World Cup?
posted on 15/9/11
Im not sure that "many" laughed - we had turned a corner a few years before - and we definately had potential.
I dont really watch the ODIs much - but obviously I follow it a bit - but can someone educate me? This series has been won - but won well? when was the last time we won well? and have we strung a few series wins on the bounce? the last ODI cricket I watched was the World Cup and we looked terrible (bear in mind Im going off memory not fact - and I naturally have a cynical eye on ODIs)
posted on 15/9/11
I mentioned that already Wazy but you're right, it's about time England lifted that cup!
As bcfc stated, the next WC is in Oz & NZ which will suit England better than the sub con teams
posted on 15/9/11
kieswetter seems to be a really good addition for england , they can reach number one but i dont see them ruling the roost in odi's given their inability to win many on flat pitches or turning pitches
posted on 15/9/11
As bcfc stated, the next WC is in Oz & NZ which will suit England better than the sub con teams
saying that pakistan reached finals in england 1999, india in 2003 when it was held in SA and srilanka in 2007 in WI
last time i checked indian won the odi series in australia in 2008 where as england lost 6-1 !
posted on 15/9/11
I would say that kieswetter is an ok player but not a really good addition.
His shot selection is poor at times resulting in losing an early wicket for little runs.
Who knows, he may progress into a top ODI player in time.
posted on 15/9/11
Cricket-fan your talking about the past, i'm talking about the future.
The article states that England have been a poor ODI team but can they change & become a force?
posted on 15/9/11
Since begining 2009 our record in ODI is
W L W W W L W W
Beating WI home, losing twice to Oz home and away, beating SA away, beating Banga twice away and home, beating Pakistan home, beating SL home and now beating India home.
posted on 15/9/11
Not bad eh hopefor
posted on 15/9/11
I would say that kieswetter is an ok player but not a really good addition.???
i thought he is an impact player who gets off to a flier and lets others play at their own pace. which he has done very well in everymatch ,
i thought recent past would always be a good indication of the future!!
dont forget that you have played essentially a second string indian team and 9 of the 11 players who played in the wc finals or semis are not there .
if morgan gets injured who is ur lower order hitter??
we have got yuvraj/raina/dhoni/pathan?
with robin uthappa and tiwary waiting in the wings
posted on 15/9/11
India are still better than England and thats a fact! plain and simple. We will win tomorrow if the english climate doesnt get in the damn way!!!!
looking forward to playing you guys in INDIA
posted on 15/9/11
Don't agree that Ttott is too slow. He doesn't increase his RR toward the end of the innings, which I'd argue might be done by other players anyway. Might score more singles. He could improve, which is encouraging, but he's our most valuable ODI player, and without him we struggle to get the top 6 still batting after 40 overs.
Trott scoring runs is a massive statistical factor in England winning, and him failing is a big signifier of a defeat. So slow scoring isn't costing us games. And he does score at very different rates depending on the match conditions, so he is not as one paced as some say.
When people criticise Trott, they basically are saying he's not perfect. Which is true. It'd be nice if he could bowl ten overs of high quality legspin as well. But what he does offer is indispensable.
Getting a plausible hitter at six has long been England's problem. And a death bowler. Basically, Andrew Flintoff.
posted on 15/9/11
Well said Mildred - I'm really looking forward to the away fixture in India
posted on 15/9/11
They CWC should have taught England that a different kind of team is more likely to be successful in India/SL. They began to address this with the selection of Dernbach. Shahzad might come back. Meaker is worth looking at.
We could do with an A team tour of Asian countries to look at emerging talent, and conditions. We needed this before the WC.
And an attack of tall fast bowlers hitting short of a length isn't going to work. And we need spinning options.
For the winter, how about:
Kieswetter/Cook/Trott/Pietersen/Morgan/Stokes/
Patel/Broad/Swann/Borthwick/Dernbach.
Reserves: Bopara/Buttler/Bresnan/Shahzad or Meaker.
When they are all fit. Slokes is only in if he bowls.
Anyway, winning at home and being competitive away, isn't bad. Especially as ODI cricket isn't valued here. It feels like England get kicked around when they lose ODIs, but no one really cares when they win.
posted on 15/9/11
I've only seen Stokes play since he got picked for England but apart from being left handed I don't see him as better than Woakes. Woakes is a beautiful clean ball striker and a genuine bowler, he's well on the way to batting as an all rounder.
posted on 15/9/11
I've only seen Woakes playing for England, so not at all with a red ball. His batting looks pretty useful for a number seven. But we have a lot a better bowlers than him, surely? Though his stats are great for Warks. Is he someone who could do well in India? He's not a slingy, skiddy reverse swinger. He's a bit quicker than medium. He reminds me stylistically of Liam Plunkett.
Stokes and Borthwick are speculative picks. I've said on an another post about inexperienced players taking a long time to find their feet at international level for England. Yet the alternatives (go back to Wright, Tredwell) don't feel ideal either. Which is why Lions tours are useful.
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