Wonder if he's an Arsenal fan
Fined for a poor performance??? Seriously
They are human and make mistakes. Yes maybe demoting them for consistent poor performances but fined is a bit much
Yep, putting more pressure on someone in an already high pressured job, which includes numerous discussions by high-profile managers, national media and fans in pubs, message boards and social media, is bound to lead to improved performances from them.
This is a well-thought out idea.
Didn't referees used to get demoted to a lower league for poor performances?
The problem is half the time it's down to opinions, rather than concrete decisions. There's a lot of grey areas in refereeing, largely as you don't know what another person is thinking.
comment by If anyone can, Emre Can (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
A petition!?
Grow up!
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Why not??
When you continuously see obvious decisions being ignored and dubious decisions being given, season after season, what do you do? Just accept that they re human? Ha!
Too many times stupid decisions are costing points for teams every year.
When u see mike dean celebrating a spurs goal, you've gotta ask questions!
The standard is a joke
comment by (U21433)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by If anyone can, Emre Can (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
A petition!?
Grow up!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why not??
When you continuously see obvious decisions being ignored and dubious decisions being given, season after season, what do you do? Just accept that they re human? Ha!
Too many times stupid decisions are costing points for teams every year.
When u see mike dean celebrating a spurs goal, you've gotta ask questions!
The standard is a joke
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How about we run a concurrent petition to have the FA come down hard on every player who tries to cheat an official.
Every player who dives - banned
Every player who claims a throw-in when they know it came off them last - banned
Every player who shouts at refs to pressure them - banned
That would help the refs, no?
Bored of whiney managers moaning about refs. Wrong decisions are going to happen, its part of the game. Deal with it.
Imagine the effect that Wenger's behaviour had on children watching.
Football has a real mess on its hands with the level of dissent that goes on.
If you want perfection, petition for video technology.
You won't get it, but you'll at least make some progress to eliminating errors.
But if you want referees who don't make errors, you'll asking for an impossibility.
Tbf officials get around 98% of decisions "correct", even though with rules being interpreted differently it's difficult to accurate with that IMO.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11096/10808860/referee-myth-busting-how-many-decisions-do-officials-get-right
What doesn't help is the immaturity and seeming fragility of footballers psyche's, it'd be great for managers to criticise their players when they've done something wrong, or take responsibility themselves, but they can't, or believe they can't, so blame the ref.
The Mike Dean petition got 106k signatures. If you start one on gov.uk and it reaches 100k signatures it has to be discussed in parliament. I'm sure if someone put a petition on there as a more general petition about ref deciding the outcome of the PL it would get far more signatures and could end up with the PL and FA being officially investigated.
Having become an FA-qualified ref whilst at uni to pay off some of my overdraft(!!), I do feel for them - it's hard!
I had the privilege of attending Liverpool Uni and, in the Merseyside league there, you weren't allowed to give the linesman flags to a trusted by-stander or either managers due to - guess what? - people kicking-off and berating the (temporary) officials!
Do you want to do offsides, throw-ins, corners etc. for a full-sized pitch with no assistance!?
Anyway, rant over but, as many have said above, I do not believe the facilitation of an ever-more hostile environment is the way to improve officiating. I play rugby as well as football and I honestly think we could take more than one or two lessons from their book.
I used to drill my (footy) team if they swore at the ref or complained, and I think that sort of attitude puts the official more at ease and with that (even if just ostensible) respect comes a much more confident manner of dealing with incidents, like the Howard Webb-esque putting your arm around a clearly riled up player and trying to empathise with him, as opposed to getting card-happy.
The microphoned-up ref I have always found really good too, as at least we the onlooker ascertain an understanding of the ref's thinking, whether or not we agree.
I do think it's mad that managers can't criticise refs, however fining them isn't the answer. They should have regular performance reviews (like anyone else in employment) and if they don't meet the required standards the are either retrained or demoted.
"They should have regular performance review"
You think they don't?
They are scrutinised more than most professions I can think of.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
"They should have regular performance review"
You think they don't?
They are scrutinised more than most professions I can think of.
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Some refs make mistake after mistake yet continue to get big games. If they are having a review already it clearly isn't working.
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vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
Do they?
I think you're grossly exaggerating.
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comment by wearethefamousTHFC (U19211)
posted 35 seconds ago
In the modern game where bribes are going on in all sports then its a joke that refs are untouchable
Is anyone really going to think no ref is ever approached or tempted with the money involved
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 minutes ago
Imagine the effect that Wenger's behaviour had on children watching.
Football has a real mess on its hands with the level of dissent that goes on.
If you want perfection, petition for video technology.
You won't get it, but you'll at least make some progress to eliminating errors.
But if you want referees who don't make errors, you'll asking for an impossibility.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody is asking for perfection. Thats ridiculous and impossible. All we're asking for is the correct and basic decision being made. I.e obvious offside goals by 2 or more yards. A clear penalty being awarded, a clear second bookable offence, an accidental handball being acknowledged (chambers vs west brom), a.clear dive being punished instead of a penalty given, a clear foul being awarded. These basic calls have been consistent poor for ages now!
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posted on 5/1/18
A petition!?
Grow up!
posted on 5/1/18
Wonder if he's an Arsenal fan
posted on 5/1/18
Fined for a poor performance??? Seriously
They are human and make mistakes. Yes maybe demoting them for consistent poor performances but fined is a bit much
posted on 5/1/18
Yep, putting more pressure on someone in an already high pressured job, which includes numerous discussions by high-profile managers, national media and fans in pubs, message boards and social media, is bound to lead to improved performances from them.
This is a well-thought out idea.
posted on 5/1/18
Wtf is this rubbish
posted on 5/1/18
Didn't referees used to get demoted to a lower league for poor performances?
posted on 5/1/18
The problem is half the time it's down to opinions, rather than concrete decisions. There's a lot of grey areas in refereeing, largely as you don't know what another person is thinking.
posted on 5/1/18
comment by If anyone can, Emre Can (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
A petition!?
Grow up!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why not??
When you continuously see obvious decisions being ignored and dubious decisions being given, season after season, what do you do? Just accept that they re human? Ha!
Too many times stupid decisions are costing points for teams every year.
When u see mike dean celebrating a spurs goal, you've gotta ask questions!
The standard is a joke
posted on 5/1/18
Ref Bot 2000.1
posted on 5/1/18
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posted on 5/1/18
comment by (U21433)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by If anyone can, Emre Can (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
A petition!?
Grow up!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why not??
When you continuously see obvious decisions being ignored and dubious decisions being given, season after season, what do you do? Just accept that they re human? Ha!
Too many times stupid decisions are costing points for teams every year.
When u see mike dean celebrating a spurs goal, you've gotta ask questions!
The standard is a joke
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How about we run a concurrent petition to have the FA come down hard on every player who tries to cheat an official.
Every player who dives - banned
Every player who claims a throw-in when they know it came off them last - banned
Every player who shouts at refs to pressure them - banned
That would help the refs, no?
posted on 5/1/18
Bored of whiney managers moaning about refs. Wrong decisions are going to happen, its part of the game. Deal with it.
posted on 5/1/18
Imagine the effect that Wenger's behaviour had on children watching.
Football has a real mess on its hands with the level of dissent that goes on.
If you want perfection, petition for video technology.
You won't get it, but you'll at least make some progress to eliminating errors.
But if you want referees who don't make errors, you'll asking for an impossibility.
posted on 5/1/18
Tbf officials get around 98% of decisions "correct", even though with rules being interpreted differently it's difficult to accurate with that IMO.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11096/10808860/referee-myth-busting-how-many-decisions-do-officials-get-right
What doesn't help is the immaturity and seeming fragility of footballers psyche's, it'd be great for managers to criticise their players when they've done something wrong, or take responsibility themselves, but they can't, or believe they can't, so blame the ref.
posted on 5/1/18
The Mike Dean petition got 106k signatures. If you start one on gov.uk and it reaches 100k signatures it has to be discussed in parliament. I'm sure if someone put a petition on there as a more general petition about ref deciding the outcome of the PL it would get far more signatures and could end up with the PL and FA being officially investigated.
posted on 5/1/18
Investigated for what?
posted on 5/1/18
Having become an FA-qualified ref whilst at uni to pay off some of my overdraft(!!), I do feel for them - it's hard!
I had the privilege of attending Liverpool Uni and, in the Merseyside league there, you weren't allowed to give the linesman flags to a trusted by-stander or either managers due to - guess what? - people kicking-off and berating the (temporary) officials!
Do you want to do offsides, throw-ins, corners etc. for a full-sized pitch with no assistance!?
Anyway, rant over but, as many have said above, I do not believe the facilitation of an ever-more hostile environment is the way to improve officiating. I play rugby as well as football and I honestly think we could take more than one or two lessons from their book.
I used to drill my (footy) team if they swore at the ref or complained, and I think that sort of attitude puts the official more at ease and with that (even if just ostensible) respect comes a much more confident manner of dealing with incidents, like the Howard Webb-esque putting your arm around a clearly riled up player and trying to empathise with him, as opposed to getting card-happy.
The microphoned-up ref I have always found really good too, as at least we the onlooker ascertain an understanding of the ref's thinking, whether or not we agree.
posted on 5/1/18
I do think it's mad that managers can't criticise refs, however fining them isn't the answer. They should have regular performance reviews (like anyone else in employment) and if they don't meet the required standards the are either retrained or demoted.
posted on 5/1/18
"They should have regular performance review"
You think they don't?
They are scrutinised more than most professions I can think of.
posted on 5/1/18
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
"They should have regular performance review"
You think they don't?
They are scrutinised more than most professions I can think of.
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Some refs make mistake after mistake yet continue to get big games. If they are having a review already it clearly isn't working.
posted on 5/1/18
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posted on 5/1/18
vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
Do they?
I think you're grossly exaggerating.
posted on 5/1/18
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posted on 5/1/18
comment by wearethefamousTHFC (U19211)
posted 35 seconds ago
In the modern game where bribes are going on in all sports then its a joke that refs are untouchable
Is anyone really going to think no ref is ever approached or tempted with the money involved
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posted on 5/1/18
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 23 minutes ago
Imagine the effect that Wenger's behaviour had on children watching.
Football has a real mess on its hands with the level of dissent that goes on.
If you want perfection, petition for video technology.
You won't get it, but you'll at least make some progress to eliminating errors.
But if you want referees who don't make errors, you'll asking for an impossibility.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nobody is asking for perfection. Thats ridiculous and impossible. All we're asking for is the correct and basic decision being made. I.e obvious offside goals by 2 or more yards. A clear penalty being awarded, a clear second bookable offence, an accidental handball being acknowledged (chambers vs west brom), a.clear dive being punished instead of a penalty given, a clear foul being awarded. These basic calls have been consistent poor for ages now!
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