"Wenger
Doesn't
Negotiate
Transfer
Deals
The Arsenal board are laughing at you clowns laying the blame for absolutely everything you can think of at Arsene's feet."
Yeah. Wenger is the silent, Batman type, hero who is taking all this flack for the top guys.
Cool story cuz.
Wenger ain't the only one to blame. We are all very aware of that.
comment by DubbedTheNewWenger90 (U19529)
posted 6 seconds ago
"A side step for Sanchez, Arsenal and Man u are about the same level."
It is a sidestep. But United, as rubbish as they are, are actively trying to get better.
You have to take that into consideration.
I think Sanchez was frustrated and just wanted out no matter what.
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He's got no chance winning the league at utd
You're stupid.
Supported Arsenal all my life, got the kids kit when i was 4/5 years old, my Dad supported them all his life too.
Brighton i follow because i went to see them play a fair few times when i was younger. Hardly gunning for glory having just gotten into the Premier League for the first time in their history are they/?
I didn't need to check your profile to know you were a Man Utd fan, you sounded just like one.
comment by DubbedTheNewWenger90 (U19529)
posted 1 minute ago
"A side step for Sanchez, Arsenal and Man u are about the same level."
It is a sidestep. But United, as rubbish as they are, are actively trying to get better.
You have to take that into consideration.
I think Sanchez was frustrated and just wanted out no matter what.
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Yes I can see where you're coming from, still, at this point in time he's at the same level club, both two big clubs about the same level. ps I am not in anyway saying Spurs are bigger, Obviously not!
"He's got no chance winning the league at utd "
More chance than at Arsenal that's for sure.
It's a deal that sees Wenger taking the Mkhi. Enough said.
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
Disagree, he's been trying hard to "turn it on" for us all season when played. It hasn't worked because:
A) He's a yard slower.
B) He's predictable - rarely wants to pass, likes to try and beat the same player 3x.
c) Premier League defenders know his game well enough by now.
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And if he'd have decided to stay and sign a new contract you don't believe any of that BS.
comment by WengersNearlyMen (U5041)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by DubbedTheNewWenger90 (U19529)
posted 6 seconds ago
"A side step for Sanchez, Arsenal and Man u are about the same level."
It is a sidestep. But United, as rubbish as they are, are actively trying to get better.
You have to take that into consideration.
I think Sanchez was frustrated and just wanted out no matter what.
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He's got no chance winning the league at utd
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Not this season he hasn't. Then again he wouldn't have really won it for City. Only 15 games left and they've already won it. It would have never felt like he'd won it there this year.
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
Disagree, he's been trying hard to "turn it on" for us all season when played. It hasn't worked because:
A) He's a yard slower.
B) He's predictable - rarely wants to pass, likes to try and beat the same player 3x.
c) Premier League defenders know his game well enough by now.
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And if he'd have decided to stay and sign a new contract you don't believe any of that BS.
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Why would him deciding to stay and sign a new contract affect my assessment of his current ability (and the deterioration of it) based on having watched every minute of every Arsenal Match this season and for as long as i can remember?
You think i'm saying that to wind you up or out of spite, yet i'm not. I suppose that is more worrying for you than the former but it's just my opinion. You'd better hope i'm wrong.
He's been in limbo for 5 months you melon and apparently not too popular among the players. Of course it's going to affect the player.
Sanchez is a world class player and you lot are trying to kid yourselves that he's past it. You do know Miki is only 4 months younger don't you?
I'm sorry You Cant Buy Class.
But Sanchez not playing well was down to his head not being in the game.
He's still got a lot in his tank. Don't get it twisted.
He's always been a greedy player who plays on instinct so it's nothing new.
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
He's been in limbo for 5 months you melon and apparently not too popular among the players. Of course it's going to affect the player.
Sanchez is a world class player and you lot are trying to kid yourselves that he's past it. You do know Miki is only 4 months younger don't you?
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That is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
Whilst i won't deny that recent ongoing's are bound to have affected his form. He still looks slower to me this season, he still looks less able to beat a player and he's still gifted possession of the ball away more so than ever before.
He's 29 and he's run his body very very hard, especially in recent seasons with the never ending Copa-America's and playing at big clubs who have been competing on multiple fronts as well.
He has been average this season, but Sanchez is clearly still one of the best players in the league and if Arsenal fans try to claim otherwise we are deluding ourselves. I don’t think he’ll be enough of a difference to United to get them anywhere close to City, or to do anything in the CL, but he’ll probably be enough to keep them in second. Not sure that’s worth half a mil a week, and I also can’t imagine him working particularly well for someone like Jose who is big on structure and players fitting in to his particular style.
All in all it’s a bit of a weird one, but the fact that Arsenal apparently aren’t getting any cash out of the deal is pretty shocking.
comment by TheSkins (U3865)
posted 3 hours, 36 minutes ago
He has been average this season, but Sanchez is clearly still one of the best players in the league and if Arsenal fans try to claim otherwise we are deluding ourselves. I don’t think he’ll be enough of a difference to United to get them anywhere close to City, or to do anything in the CL, but he’ll probably be enough to keep them in second. Not sure that’s worth half a mil a week, and I also can’t imagine him working particularly well for someone like Jose who is big on structure and players fitting in to his particular style.
All in all it’s a bit of a weird one, but the fact that Arsenal apparently aren’t getting any cash out of the deal is pretty shocking.
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Why is it? He's free in 4 months and City won't pay him what we will a week so we'd have got him for nothing.
He's 29 and he's run his body very very hard, especially in recent seasons with the never ending Copa-America's and playing at big clubs who have been competing on multiple fronts as well.
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Ahhh ok..
So him signing for Arsenal was like a sabbatical - move to extend his career.
Fair play.. he's got a 4.5yr contract at £400k a week out of it, so it seems to have worked.
this is my take on it.
Was very excited when we signed him and he is a top quality player. He does have a tendency to give the ball away a lot which will infuriate Utd fans in big games. I watched Utd yesterday and they couldn't kill off Burnley on the counter. Sanchez will probably make better decisions on those situations compared to what I saw yesterday.
Overall we failed Sanchez in terms of challenging for league and CL. The lack of ambition shown by the club has probably frustrated him and he was never going to sign a new deal. No one's fault really apart from underachieving on the pitch.
Rather get a player in Mikhi than lose Sanchez for nothing. Mikhi showed in the Bundesliga and Europa league last season that he has the talent but whether he is suited to the EPL is still questionable.
I don't agree that Sanchez is on a downhill trajectory like some people have said in this thread. I haven't seen it at all.
Yes, he may be 29 years old, but he is still a phenomenal player. He hasn't replicated his form from last season because he quite clearly had his head turned by richer, more ambitious clubs than us.
Despite him being half the player this season, wasn't he our joint top goalscorer prior to yesterday? That says it all really.
He's also made some valuable contributions this season, such as the stunning equaliser against Koln in the Europa, the assist for our late equaliser against Southampton, doubling our advantage against Spurs, leading the comeback against Liverpool, match-winning goals against Burnley and Crystal Palace away...
We will miss his goal-threat, creativity and tenacity. Although we may get frustrated with how easily he could lose the ball, he made up for that through his ability to take games by the scruff of the neck.
Whether he was a divisive player in the dressing room or not, he was capable of single-handedly winning matches by himself. These types of players are invaluable because of how rare they are.
Let's just be honest with ourselves and say United are getting the better end of this deal. Mkhitaryan's a talented and technically proficient player, but he's had a very troubled time at United, so him coming to us is more of a risk than Sanchez going to United.
Exactly all that Samir
Very well put.
Let's just be honest with ourselves and say United are getting the better end of this deal. Mkhitaryan's a talented and technically proficient player, but he's had a very troubled time at United, so him coming to us is more of a risk than Sanchez going to United.
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Disagree with this. Mkhitaryan under Wenger is a much better combination than with Jose. He is very restricted at Utd and still managed to shine in the Europa League last season. Even Messi would struggle upfront for Jose. I expect Mikhi to be one of our best players.
Sanchez on the other hand will soon fall out with Jose. He won't accept loss of possession 20 times during a game.
Both signings are risky for both clubs.
Didn't see Pep making a move to sign Mkhitaryan
Mkhitaryan under Wenger may well fare better than he did under Mourinho, but that remains to be seen. We can only base this deal on how they've performed at their respective clubs and, right now, United are getting the better end of this deal. There's no getting away form it.
They are getting a player who can score 25-30 goals a season, who works hard for the team and can create chances by himself. He is an all-round player. Mkhitaryan is not and hasn't even come close to hitting the numbers Sanchez has since joining United. The only time when Mkhitaryan has consistently looked outstanding was in the Europa League, where he was up against teams of far inferior quality.
People keep talking about Mourinho stifling attacking talent, when Lukaku has double the goals Lacazette has, Lingard has come on leaps and bounds, and Martial is making vital contributions too. Ibrahimovic last season also hit 20+ goals for them.
I have a feeling Sanchez will be just fine at United.
comment by DubbedTheNewWenger90 (U19529)
posted 9 hours, 45 minutes ago
Why sell to United period? That's my point. Everything has to be a profit.
United would never ever sell a top player in the same situation.
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Since the oil money came into football there is no morale in football anymore.
When you can't deal with it this sport is not for you.
comment by DubbedTheNewWenger90 (U19529)
posted 9 hours, 34 minutes ago
"Wenger
Doesn't
Negotiate
Transfer
Deals
The Arsenal board are laughing at you clowns laying the blame for absolutely everything you can think of at Arsene's feet."
Yeah. Wenger is the silent, Batman type, hero who is taking all this flack for the top guys.
Cool story cuz.
Wenger ain't the only one to blame. We are all very aware of that.
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I wasn't saying that.
I just find it hilarious that when any given team puts in a brilliant performance against you, you all blame Wenger.
When a player decides he wants to move on from the club, it's 100% Wenger's fault.
When the club won't break its wage structure or shell out big money to bring in world class talent, Wenger is the one who is holding you back.
One silver lining to this situation it already seems to be destabilizing United in terms of other players moaning about not being paid enough given what Sanchez is now on.
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 10 hours, 10 minutes ago
Wenger
Doesn't
Negotiate
Transfer
Deals
The Arsenal board are laughing at you clowns laying the blame for absolutely everything you can think of at Arsene's feet.
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This. It's so obvious too but people are too stupid
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posted on 21/1/18
"Wenger
Doesn't
Negotiate
Transfer
Deals
The Arsenal board are laughing at you clowns laying the blame for absolutely everything you can think of at Arsene's feet."
Yeah. Wenger is the silent, Batman type, hero who is taking all this flack for the top guys.
Cool story cuz.
Wenger ain't the only one to blame. We are all very aware of that.
posted on 21/1/18
comment by DubbedTheNewWenger90 (U19529)
posted 6 seconds ago
"A side step for Sanchez, Arsenal and Man u are about the same level."
It is a sidestep. But United, as rubbish as they are, are actively trying to get better.
You have to take that into consideration.
I think Sanchez was frustrated and just wanted out no matter what.
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He's got no chance winning the league at utd
posted on 21/1/18
You're stupid.
Supported Arsenal all my life, got the kids kit when i was 4/5 years old, my Dad supported them all his life too.
Brighton i follow because i went to see them play a fair few times when i was younger. Hardly gunning for glory having just gotten into the Premier League for the first time in their history are they/?
I didn't need to check your profile to know you were a Man Utd fan, you sounded just like one.
posted on 21/1/18
comment by DubbedTheNewWenger90 (U19529)
posted 1 minute ago
"A side step for Sanchez, Arsenal and Man u are about the same level."
It is a sidestep. But United, as rubbish as they are, are actively trying to get better.
You have to take that into consideration.
I think Sanchez was frustrated and just wanted out no matter what.
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Yes I can see where you're coming from, still, at this point in time he's at the same level club, both two big clubs about the same level. ps I am not in anyway saying Spurs are bigger, Obviously not!
posted on 21/1/18
"He's got no chance winning the league at utd "
More chance than at Arsenal that's for sure.
posted on 21/1/18
It's a deal that sees Wenger taking the Mkhi. Enough said.
posted on 21/1/18
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
Disagree, he's been trying hard to "turn it on" for us all season when played. It hasn't worked because:
A) He's a yard slower.
B) He's predictable - rarely wants to pass, likes to try and beat the same player 3x.
c) Premier League defenders know his game well enough by now.
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And if he'd have decided to stay and sign a new contract you don't believe any of that BS.
posted on 21/1/18
comment by WengersNearlyMen (U5041)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by DubbedTheNewWenger90 (U19529)
posted 6 seconds ago
"A side step for Sanchez, Arsenal and Man u are about the same level."
It is a sidestep. But United, as rubbish as they are, are actively trying to get better.
You have to take that into consideration.
I think Sanchez was frustrated and just wanted out no matter what.
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He's got no chance winning the league at utd
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Not this season he hasn't. Then again he wouldn't have really won it for City. Only 15 games left and they've already won it. It would have never felt like he'd won it there this year.
posted on 21/1/18
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by You Can't Buy Class (U12019)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
Disagree, he's been trying hard to "turn it on" for us all season when played. It hasn't worked because:
A) He's a yard slower.
B) He's predictable - rarely wants to pass, likes to try and beat the same player 3x.
c) Premier League defenders know his game well enough by now.
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And if he'd have decided to stay and sign a new contract you don't believe any of that BS.
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Why would him deciding to stay and sign a new contract affect my assessment of his current ability (and the deterioration of it) based on having watched every minute of every Arsenal Match this season and for as long as i can remember?
You think i'm saying that to wind you up or out of spite, yet i'm not. I suppose that is more worrying for you than the former but it's just my opinion. You'd better hope i'm wrong.
posted on 21/1/18
He's been in limbo for 5 months you melon and apparently not too popular among the players. Of course it's going to affect the player.
Sanchez is a world class player and you lot are trying to kid yourselves that he's past it. You do know Miki is only 4 months younger don't you?
posted on 21/1/18
I'm sorry You Cant Buy Class.
But Sanchez not playing well was down to his head not being in the game.
He's still got a lot in his tank. Don't get it twisted.
He's always been a greedy player who plays on instinct so it's nothing new.
posted on 21/1/18
comment by Eric_the_king (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
He's been in limbo for 5 months you melon and apparently not too popular among the players. Of course it's going to affect the player.
Sanchez is a world class player and you lot are trying to kid yourselves that he's past it. You do know Miki is only 4 months younger don't you?
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That is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
Whilst i won't deny that recent ongoing's are bound to have affected his form. He still looks slower to me this season, he still looks less able to beat a player and he's still gifted possession of the ball away more so than ever before.
He's 29 and he's run his body very very hard, especially in recent seasons with the never ending Copa-America's and playing at big clubs who have been competing on multiple fronts as well.
posted on 21/1/18
He has been average this season, but Sanchez is clearly still one of the best players in the league and if Arsenal fans try to claim otherwise we are deluding ourselves. I don’t think he’ll be enough of a difference to United to get them anywhere close to City, or to do anything in the CL, but he’ll probably be enough to keep them in second. Not sure that’s worth half a mil a week, and I also can’t imagine him working particularly well for someone like Jose who is big on structure and players fitting in to his particular style.
All in all it’s a bit of a weird one, but the fact that Arsenal apparently aren’t getting any cash out of the deal is pretty shocking.
posted on 21/1/18
comment by TheSkins (U3865)
posted 3 hours, 36 minutes ago
He has been average this season, but Sanchez is clearly still one of the best players in the league and if Arsenal fans try to claim otherwise we are deluding ourselves. I don’t think he’ll be enough of a difference to United to get them anywhere close to City, or to do anything in the CL, but he’ll probably be enough to keep them in second. Not sure that’s worth half a mil a week, and I also can’t imagine him working particularly well for someone like Jose who is big on structure and players fitting in to his particular style.
All in all it’s a bit of a weird one, but the fact that Arsenal apparently aren’t getting any cash out of the deal is pretty shocking.
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Why is it? He's free in 4 months and City won't pay him what we will a week so we'd have got him for nothing.
posted on 21/1/18
He's 29 and he's run his body very very hard, especially in recent seasons with the never ending Copa-America's and playing at big clubs who have been competing on multiple fronts as well.
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Ahhh ok..
So him signing for Arsenal was like a sabbatical - move to extend his career.
Fair play.. he's got a 4.5yr contract at £400k a week out of it, so it seems to have worked.
posted on 21/1/18
this is my take on it.
Was very excited when we signed him and he is a top quality player. He does have a tendency to give the ball away a lot which will infuriate Utd fans in big games. I watched Utd yesterday and they couldn't kill off Burnley on the counter. Sanchez will probably make better decisions on those situations compared to what I saw yesterday.
Overall we failed Sanchez in terms of challenging for league and CL. The lack of ambition shown by the club has probably frustrated him and he was never going to sign a new deal. No one's fault really apart from underachieving on the pitch.
Rather get a player in Mikhi than lose Sanchez for nothing. Mikhi showed in the Bundesliga and Europa league last season that he has the talent but whether he is suited to the EPL is still questionable.
posted on 21/1/18
I don't agree that Sanchez is on a downhill trajectory like some people have said in this thread. I haven't seen it at all.
Yes, he may be 29 years old, but he is still a phenomenal player. He hasn't replicated his form from last season because he quite clearly had his head turned by richer, more ambitious clubs than us.
Despite him being half the player this season, wasn't he our joint top goalscorer prior to yesterday? That says it all really.
He's also made some valuable contributions this season, such as the stunning equaliser against Koln in the Europa, the assist for our late equaliser against Southampton, doubling our advantage against Spurs, leading the comeback against Liverpool, match-winning goals against Burnley and Crystal Palace away...
We will miss his goal-threat, creativity and tenacity. Although we may get frustrated with how easily he could lose the ball, he made up for that through his ability to take games by the scruff of the neck.
Whether he was a divisive player in the dressing room or not, he was capable of single-handedly winning matches by himself. These types of players are invaluable because of how rare they are.
Let's just be honest with ourselves and say United are getting the better end of this deal. Mkhitaryan's a talented and technically proficient player, but he's had a very troubled time at United, so him coming to us is more of a risk than Sanchez going to United.
posted on 21/1/18
Exactly all that Samir
Very well put.
posted on 21/1/18
Let's just be honest with ourselves and say United are getting the better end of this deal. Mkhitaryan's a talented and technically proficient player, but he's had a very troubled time at United, so him coming to us is more of a risk than Sanchez going to United.
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Disagree with this. Mkhitaryan under Wenger is a much better combination than with Jose. He is very restricted at Utd and still managed to shine in the Europa League last season. Even Messi would struggle upfront for Jose. I expect Mikhi to be one of our best players.
Sanchez on the other hand will soon fall out with Jose. He won't accept loss of possession 20 times during a game.
Both signings are risky for both clubs.
posted on 21/1/18
Didn't see Pep making a move to sign Mkhitaryan
posted on 21/1/18
Mkhitaryan under Wenger may well fare better than he did under Mourinho, but that remains to be seen. We can only base this deal on how they've performed at their respective clubs and, right now, United are getting the better end of this deal. There's no getting away form it.
They are getting a player who can score 25-30 goals a season, who works hard for the team and can create chances by himself. He is an all-round player. Mkhitaryan is not and hasn't even come close to hitting the numbers Sanchez has since joining United. The only time when Mkhitaryan has consistently looked outstanding was in the Europa League, where he was up against teams of far inferior quality.
People keep talking about Mourinho stifling attacking talent, when Lukaku has double the goals Lacazette has, Lingard has come on leaps and bounds, and Martial is making vital contributions too. Ibrahimovic last season also hit 20+ goals for them.
I have a feeling Sanchez will be just fine at United.
posted on 21/1/18
comment by DubbedTheNewWenger90 (U19529)
posted 9 hours, 45 minutes ago
Why sell to United period? That's my point. Everything has to be a profit.
United would never ever sell a top player in the same situation.
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Since the oil money came into football there is no morale in football anymore.
When you can't deal with it this sport is not for you.
posted on 21/1/18
comment by DubbedTheNewWenger90 (U19529)
posted 9 hours, 34 minutes ago
"Wenger
Doesn't
Negotiate
Transfer
Deals
The Arsenal board are laughing at you clowns laying the blame for absolutely everything you can think of at Arsene's feet."
Yeah. Wenger is the silent, Batman type, hero who is taking all this flack for the top guys.
Cool story cuz.
Wenger ain't the only one to blame. We are all very aware of that.
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I wasn't saying that.
I just find it hilarious that when any given team puts in a brilliant performance against you, you all blame Wenger.
When a player decides he wants to move on from the club, it's 100% Wenger's fault.
When the club won't break its wage structure or shell out big money to bring in world class talent, Wenger is the one who is holding you back.
posted on 21/1/18
One silver lining to this situation it already seems to be destabilizing United in terms of other players moaning about not being paid enough given what Sanchez is now on.
posted on 21/1/18
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 10 hours, 10 minutes ago
Wenger
Doesn't
Negotiate
Transfer
Deals
The Arsenal board are laughing at you clowns laying the blame for absolutely everything you can think of at Arsene's feet.
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This. It's so obvious too but people are too stupid
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