comment by Chelsea_since_summer_1969 ✯ (U1561)
posted 10 minutes ago
Thanks mate. Are you keeping OK? I would normally apologise for going off topic but I won't bother on this one.
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Yep keeping good. Looking forward but slightly bricking it to these big games coming up.
Hope your well buddy
You'll b fine mate. U got a good team playing well. I just wish we were.
Such a poor, whiny article. I don’t mind city and whilst I despise Chelsea, it is what it is regarding the money. Just because I have to save up for my own house, I don’t start crying when others get big lump sum deposits or gifts from their parents for theirs.
Also you could argue teams like city and Chelsea have been beneficial in that it has broken United's hold on the league. While they earned their money how is a team always winning due to good commercial deals any better from a fan perspective than a rich person doing it? There's been a lot more competition since when you think about it.
We need stronger financial constraints though. To stop both these problems. (and my own team aren't exactly doing badly in the current set up so it's not bias)
comment by Chelsea_since_summer_1969 ✯ (U1561)
posted 14 hours, 32 minutes ago
Mate compared to me you are a nonentity fan. I have forgotten more about Chelsea and Spurs than you ever knew your the one that needs to do some reading. You can start with my profile.
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Reading your profile tells me you have been a chelsea fan for a long time. It doesn't explain why you don't have any concerns about where the money came from when Chelsea 'won the lottery'.
I am no expert but see e.g.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Abramovich#Controversies.
For both City and Chelsea, you have money made mostly from the exploitation of a country's natural resources spent on another country's privately owned football club. Some Russians/Emiratis might have an issue with their country's wealth being transferred in this way.
But aside from whether you think the source of City/Chelsea's money is dubious, broader point was that football clubs should be self-sufficient and not rely on external funding, it is unfair and distorts the competition.
comment by ツ Hєиgу+ (U9129)
posted 14 hours, 36 minutes ago
This is pretty embarrassing tbh
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Why?
comment by Eatmygoal (U15786)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by ツ Hєиgу+ (U9129)
posted 14 hours, 36 minutes ago
This is pretty embarrassing tbh
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Why?
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Because it is reminiscent of 'please sir, the big boys won't let me play'. Spurs had a load of money when they sold Bale, did it help them? No. They will get more in the summer when Kane goes to Madrid but will it help them? Probably not, because Levy would rather spend on a 'bargain' who won't quite do what is needed, than on someone who will. It is not financial dopers you should moan about, it is financial dopes.
comment by bomdia (U13941)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Eatmygoal (U15786)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by ツ Hєиgу+ (U9129)
posted 14 hours, 36 minutes ago
This is pretty embarrassing tbh
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Why?
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Because it is reminiscent of 'please sir, the big boys won't let me play'. Spurs had a load of money when they sold Bale, did it help them? No. They will get more in the summer when Kane goes to Madrid but will it help them? Probably not, because Levy would rather spend on a 'bargain' who won't quite do what is needed, than on someone who will. It is not financial dopers you should moan about, it is financial dopes.
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You think Levy is a financial dope? Seriously?
Eat my Article
First things first. Chelsea didn't as you claim "Win the Lottery". Whether you like it or not our ground has a certain uniqueness amongst all the other London Club's in that we are very fortunate to be situated in an area of some of the most expensive real estate in the Country. In my view there are 3 massive Clubs in London, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs. However in my view both Arsenal and Spurs, big as they are, have NEVER been able to replicate the fact that we just happen to be situated in what a lot of the rich and famous around the World perceive as the sexyist part of London. If it hadn't been Abramovich who stepped in when we were living beyond our means, it would have just been somebody else because it's nothing to do with lottery wins, it is because Chelsea purely because of it's geographical location IS and always has been (even when we were shii ite) a very attractive proposition. Bates built the ground up to make it an even more attractive propostion for rich investors which is ultimately what attracted Abramovich's attention. If our ground had still looked like it did in the '80's then he wouldn't have touched us with a bargepole.
Moving on to your faux concern for the poor downtrodden people that Abramovich and the Shieks have allegedly stepped on, it reeks of jealousy and sour grapes. If the boot was on the other foot I have no doubt that you would be singing a very different song.
I don't condone bad behaviour by anyone be they a rich oligarch or someone like Ken Bates who I didn't particularly like, but I personally have no control over who owns my chosen Club, so why should I care that someone like you feels agrieved, that for the last 2 decades we are winning things and you are not.
Moving on to the money factor there is nothing NEW about the richest Club's getting the lions share. It has been that way since Football began. The only difference now is the sheer scale of it. I remember being envious of Spurs at the start of the '80's when Keith Burkinshaw had them playing sexy football and they were winning things while my Club were shii ite and in the 2nd Division. If I had put an article out like yours then, I would have looked exactly like you do now. Bitter and twisted.
I supported my Club when we didn't have a lot of luck so I don't feel that I need to seek your approval now that we do.
Sad article in my opinion.
comment by Eatmygoal (U15786)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by bomdia (U13941)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Eatmygoal (U15786)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by ツ Hєиgу+ (U9129)
posted 14 hours, 36 minutes ago
This is pretty embarrassing tbh
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Why?
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Because it is reminiscent of 'please sir, the big boys won't let me play'. Spurs had a load of money when they sold Bale, did it help them? No. They will get more in the summer when Kane goes to Madrid but will it help them? Probably not, because Levy would rather spend on a 'bargain' who won't quite do what is needed, than on someone who will. It is not financial dopers you should moan about, it is financial dopes.
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You think Levy is a financial dope? Seriously?
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Penny wise, pound foolish. No point buying shoddy goods. Poor man can't afford cheap clothes. The quality will remain when the price is forgotten.
There are enough there to make you think.
comment by Chelsea_since_summer_1969 ✯ (U1561)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
Eat my Article
First things first. Chelsea didn't as you claim "Win the Lottery". Whether you like it or not our ground has a certain uniqueness amongst all the other London Club's in that we are very fortunate to be situated in an area of some of the most expensive real estate in the Country. In my view there are 3 massive Clubs in London, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs. However in my view both Arsenal and Spurs, big as they are, have NEVER been able to replicate the fact that we just happen to be situated in what a lot of the rich and famous around the World perceive as the sexyist part of London. If it hadn't been Abramovich who stepped in when we were living beyond our means, it would have just been somebody else because it's nothing to do with lottery wins, it is because Chelsea purely because of it's geographical location IS and always has been (even when we were shii ite) a very attractive proposition. Bates built the ground up to make it an even more attractive propostion for rich investors which is ultimately what attracted Abramovich's attention. If our ground had still looked like it did in the '80's then he wouldn't have touched us with a bargepole.
Moving on to your faux concern for the poor downtrodden people that Abramovich and the Shieks have allegedly stepped on, it reeks of jealousy and sour grapes. If the boot was on the other foot I have no doubt that you would be singing a very different song.
I don't condone bad behaviour by anyone be they a rich oligarch or someone like Ken Bates who I didn't particularly like, but I personally have no control over who owns my chosen Club, so why should I care that someone like you feels agrieved, that for the last 2 decades we are winning things and you are not.
Moving on to the money factor there is nothing NEW about the richest Club's getting the lions share. It has been that way since Football began. The only difference now is the sheer scale of it. I remember being envious of Spurs at the start of the '80's when Keith Burkinshaw had them playing sexy football and they were winning things while my Club were shii ite and in the 2nd Division. If I had put an article out like yours then, I would have looked exactly like you do now. Bitter and twisted.
I supported my Club when we didn't have a lot of luck so I don't feel that I need to seek your approval now that we do.
Sad article in my opinion.
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Vey sad and misinformed.
Yoonited won their lottery in1902 - no doubt Burnley, Preston, Blackburn and Notts County fans would have been putting articles like this up in 1903.
Le Ar$e won their lottery in 1912.
Both of those clubs wouldn't even exist now if it wasn't for the lucky breaks that befell them.
Tottenham tried to buy success in the 70s and 80s and ended up not being able to beat poor Chelsea sides for generations.
Put your toys back in the pram, man up and carry on!
He's an article explaining about the regime that funds Manchester city https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jul/30/manchester-city-human-rights-accusations
And here's an article about Abramovich being investigated by litvinenko when he was assassinated!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/16/litvinenko-investigating-abramovich-money-laundering-claims-court-told
You can try and convince yourself that there's nothing wrong with the money both these club's has received, but everyone else knows otherwise.
comment by Eatmygoal (U15786)
posted 3 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by ツ Hєиgу+ (U9129)
posted 14 hours, 36 minutes ago
This is pretty embarrassing tbh
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Why?
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Because you’ve come across as a whiny little cry baby
Even this week Abramovich has been added to a US government list of business men who may have financial sanctions against them because of his dodgey dealings!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/30/putin-calls-us-potential-sanctions-list-unfriendly-act/
Regardless of where the money comes from IMO the game has gone money crazy and it has not done the game any good whatsoever.
Players have too much power, rich chairman have clubs as playthings none of it is good for the game in general.
Not so long back football was the working mans sport but that has changed to a ridiculous degree. Back in the 80's I remember taking my eldest to home and away games and him developing into another fanatical Spurs fans. Nowadays the game is so expensive a lot of people could not afford to do that which is sad for the game IMO.
The fact that whether we like it or not the game has become elitist with seeded competitions etc is another factor that is not good for the game.
There are many problems in football, the abuse of the loan system is one for sure.
Still it is what it is and it wont be changing for a long while for sure.
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posted on 3/2/18
comment by Chelsea_since_summer_1969 ✯ (U1561)
posted 10 minutes ago
Thanks mate. Are you keeping OK? I would normally apologise for going off topic but I won't bother on this one.
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Yep keeping good. Looking forward but slightly bricking it to these big games coming up.
Hope your well buddy
posted on 3/2/18
You'll b fine mate. U got a good team playing well. I just wish we were.
posted on 4/2/18
Such a poor, whiny article. I don’t mind city and whilst I despise Chelsea, it is what it is regarding the money. Just because I have to save up for my own house, I don’t start crying when others get big lump sum deposits or gifts from their parents for theirs.
posted on 4/2/18
Also you could argue teams like city and Chelsea have been beneficial in that it has broken United's hold on the league. While they earned their money how is a team always winning due to good commercial deals any better from a fan perspective than a rich person doing it? There's been a lot more competition since when you think about it.
We need stronger financial constraints though. To stop both these problems. (and my own team aren't exactly doing badly in the current set up so it's not bias)
posted on 4/2/18
comment by Chelsea_since_summer_1969 ✯ (U1561)
posted 14 hours, 32 minutes ago
Mate compared to me you are a nonentity fan. I have forgotten more about Chelsea and Spurs than you ever knew your the one that needs to do some reading. You can start with my profile.
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Reading your profile tells me you have been a chelsea fan for a long time. It doesn't explain why you don't have any concerns about where the money came from when Chelsea 'won the lottery'.
I am no expert but see e.g.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Abramovich#Controversies.
For both City and Chelsea, you have money made mostly from the exploitation of a country's natural resources spent on another country's privately owned football club. Some Russians/Emiratis might have an issue with their country's wealth being transferred in this way.
But aside from whether you think the source of City/Chelsea's money is dubious, broader point was that football clubs should be self-sufficient and not rely on external funding, it is unfair and distorts the competition.
posted on 4/2/18
comment by ツ Hєиgу+ (U9129)
posted 14 hours, 36 minutes ago
This is pretty embarrassing tbh
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why?
posted on 4/2/18
comment by Eatmygoal (U15786)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by ツ Hєиgу+ (U9129)
posted 14 hours, 36 minutes ago
This is pretty embarrassing tbh
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because it is reminiscent of 'please sir, the big boys won't let me play'. Spurs had a load of money when they sold Bale, did it help them? No. They will get more in the summer when Kane goes to Madrid but will it help them? Probably not, because Levy would rather spend on a 'bargain' who won't quite do what is needed, than on someone who will. It is not financial dopers you should moan about, it is financial dopes.
posted on 4/2/18
comment by bomdia (U13941)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Eatmygoal (U15786)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by ツ Hєиgу+ (U9129)
posted 14 hours, 36 minutes ago
This is pretty embarrassing tbh
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because it is reminiscent of 'please sir, the big boys won't let me play'. Spurs had a load of money when they sold Bale, did it help them? No. They will get more in the summer when Kane goes to Madrid but will it help them? Probably not, because Levy would rather spend on a 'bargain' who won't quite do what is needed, than on someone who will. It is not financial dopers you should moan about, it is financial dopes.
------------------------------------------------------------------
You think Levy is a financial dope? Seriously?
posted on 4/2/18
Eat my Article
First things first. Chelsea didn't as you claim "Win the Lottery". Whether you like it or not our ground has a certain uniqueness amongst all the other London Club's in that we are very fortunate to be situated in an area of some of the most expensive real estate in the Country. In my view there are 3 massive Clubs in London, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs. However in my view both Arsenal and Spurs, big as they are, have NEVER been able to replicate the fact that we just happen to be situated in what a lot of the rich and famous around the World perceive as the sexyist part of London. If it hadn't been Abramovich who stepped in when we were living beyond our means, it would have just been somebody else because it's nothing to do with lottery wins, it is because Chelsea purely because of it's geographical location IS and always has been (even when we were shii ite) a very attractive proposition. Bates built the ground up to make it an even more attractive propostion for rich investors which is ultimately what attracted Abramovich's attention. If our ground had still looked like it did in the '80's then he wouldn't have touched us with a bargepole.
Moving on to your faux concern for the poor downtrodden people that Abramovich and the Shieks have allegedly stepped on, it reeks of jealousy and sour grapes. If the boot was on the other foot I have no doubt that you would be singing a very different song.
I don't condone bad behaviour by anyone be they a rich oligarch or someone like Ken Bates who I didn't particularly like, but I personally have no control over who owns my chosen Club, so why should I care that someone like you feels agrieved, that for the last 2 decades we are winning things and you are not.
Moving on to the money factor there is nothing NEW about the richest Club's getting the lions share. It has been that way since Football began. The only difference now is the sheer scale of it. I remember being envious of Spurs at the start of the '80's when Keith Burkinshaw had them playing sexy football and they were winning things while my Club were shii ite and in the 2nd Division. If I had put an article out like yours then, I would have looked exactly like you do now. Bitter and twisted.
I supported my Club when we didn't have a lot of luck so I don't feel that I need to seek your approval now that we do.
Sad article in my opinion.
posted on 4/2/18
comment by Eatmygoal (U15786)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by bomdia (U13941)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Eatmygoal (U15786)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by ツ Hєиgу+ (U9129)
posted 14 hours, 36 minutes ago
This is pretty embarrassing tbh
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because it is reminiscent of 'please sir, the big boys won't let me play'. Spurs had a load of money when they sold Bale, did it help them? No. They will get more in the summer when Kane goes to Madrid but will it help them? Probably not, because Levy would rather spend on a 'bargain' who won't quite do what is needed, than on someone who will. It is not financial dopers you should moan about, it is financial dopes.
------------------------------------------------------------------
You think Levy is a financial dope? Seriously?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Penny wise, pound foolish. No point buying shoddy goods. Poor man can't afford cheap clothes. The quality will remain when the price is forgotten.
There are enough there to make you think.
posted on 4/2/18
comment by Chelsea_since_summer_1969 ✯ (U1561)
posted 2 hours, 13 minutes ago
Eat my Article
First things first. Chelsea didn't as you claim "Win the Lottery". Whether you like it or not our ground has a certain uniqueness amongst all the other London Club's in that we are very fortunate to be situated in an area of some of the most expensive real estate in the Country. In my view there are 3 massive Clubs in London, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs. However in my view both Arsenal and Spurs, big as they are, have NEVER been able to replicate the fact that we just happen to be situated in what a lot of the rich and famous around the World perceive as the sexyist part of London. If it hadn't been Abramovich who stepped in when we were living beyond our means, it would have just been somebody else because it's nothing to do with lottery wins, it is because Chelsea purely because of it's geographical location IS and always has been (even when we were shii ite) a very attractive proposition. Bates built the ground up to make it an even more attractive propostion for rich investors which is ultimately what attracted Abramovich's attention. If our ground had still looked like it did in the '80's then he wouldn't have touched us with a bargepole.
Moving on to your faux concern for the poor downtrodden people that Abramovich and the Shieks have allegedly stepped on, it reeks of jealousy and sour grapes. If the boot was on the other foot I have no doubt that you would be singing a very different song.
I don't condone bad behaviour by anyone be they a rich oligarch or someone like Ken Bates who I didn't particularly like, but I personally have no control over who owns my chosen Club, so why should I care that someone like you feels agrieved, that for the last 2 decades we are winning things and you are not.
Moving on to the money factor there is nothing NEW about the richest Club's getting the lions share. It has been that way since Football began. The only difference now is the sheer scale of it. I remember being envious of Spurs at the start of the '80's when Keith Burkinshaw had them playing sexy football and they were winning things while my Club were shii ite and in the 2nd Division. If I had put an article out like yours then, I would have looked exactly like you do now. Bitter and twisted.
I supported my Club when we didn't have a lot of luck so I don't feel that I need to seek your approval now that we do.
Sad article in my opinion.
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Vey sad and misinformed.
Yoonited won their lottery in1902 - no doubt Burnley, Preston, Blackburn and Notts County fans would have been putting articles like this up in 1903.
Le Ar$e won their lottery in 1912.
Both of those clubs wouldn't even exist now if it wasn't for the lucky breaks that befell them.
Tottenham tried to buy success in the 70s and 80s and ended up not being able to beat poor Chelsea sides for generations.
Put your toys back in the pram, man up and carry on!
posted on 4/2/18
He's an article explaining about the regime that funds Manchester city https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jul/30/manchester-city-human-rights-accusations
And here's an article about Abramovich being investigated by litvinenko when he was assassinated!
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/16/litvinenko-investigating-abramovich-money-laundering-claims-court-told
You can try and convince yourself that there's nothing wrong with the money both these club's has received, but everyone else knows otherwise.
posted on 4/2/18
comment by Eatmygoal (U15786)
posted 3 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by ツ Hєиgу+ (U9129)
posted 14 hours, 36 minutes ago
This is pretty embarrassing tbh
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Why?
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Because you’ve come across as a whiny little cry baby
posted on 4/2/18
Even this week Abramovich has been added to a US government list of business men who may have financial sanctions against them because of his dodgey dealings!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/30/putin-calls-us-potential-sanctions-list-unfriendly-act/
posted on 4/2/18
Regardless of where the money comes from IMO the game has gone money crazy and it has not done the game any good whatsoever.
Players have too much power, rich chairman have clubs as playthings none of it is good for the game in general.
Not so long back football was the working mans sport but that has changed to a ridiculous degree. Back in the 80's I remember taking my eldest to home and away games and him developing into another fanatical Spurs fans. Nowadays the game is so expensive a lot of people could not afford to do that which is sad for the game IMO.
The fact that whether we like it or not the game has become elitist with seeded competitions etc is another factor that is not good for the game.
There are many problems in football, the abuse of the loan system is one for sure.
Still it is what it is and it wont be changing for a long while for sure.
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