I think this is a much closer fight for various reasons. AJ is coming in lighter so it's less likely he's going to gas. He was utterly spent at the end of the 12th in the first fight and was close to collapse. Hopefully that's somewhat negated if he's carrying less timber and less muscle mass that requires huge amounts of oxygen.
In terms of strategy it's not rocket science, just keep it simple. It looks like Garcia knows what he's doing and so AJ will undoubtedly have a better gameplan. I'm expecting a lot more body shots from AJ when they're in close and when they're at distance AJ is going to use his natural reach, jab and size advantage more than he did before.
I'm also expecting to see less of this trying to outbox Usyk nonsense that we saw in the first fight. Garcia's fighters go for it so I'm expecting AJ to take the fight to Usyk this time round where he'll work Usyk's body more and probably aim to take his head off with one of those uppercuts should the opportunity present itself.
In terms of verdict hardly anyone gave Usyk much chance in their first fight. So with most people backing Usyk in the rematch it leads me to believe that AJ is going to win. Just seems to me that this match up brings up the unexpected.
Either way one thing is for definite is that at least one of these fighters is hitting the canvas in this fight in my opinion. Maybe even both of them and it's not going the distance. I'll go AJ to get the knockout in the 6th or 7th.
AJ certainly needs to target the body. Headhunting against a guy like Usyk will only cause him to miss and waste energy.
I watched an interview AJ done with Michelle Joy Phelps and he mentioned that his trainer, Angel, was given the authority to decide who AJs next trainer would be. This is concerning for me because Angel might have just picked Robert Garcia because both speak spanish.
Shouldn’t matter, AJ needs to go in there bully him use his superior weight and power and try and knock him out
shouldn’t even be entertaining boxing or a boxing style.
Should of gone with booth
comment by Oscar #TeamFury. Champion of NBA Predictions and 2021/2022 Winner (U12980)
posted 16 minutes ago
Shouldn’t matter, AJ needs to go in there bully him use his superior weight and power and try and knock him out
shouldn’t even be entertaining boxing or a boxing style.
Should of gone with booth
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this
AJ tries to outbox Usyk , he'll lose again
has to go in there throwing bombs looking to KO him
comment by Oscar #TeamFury. Champion of NBA Predictions and 2021/2022 Winner (U12980)
posted about an hour ago
Shouldn’t matter, AJ needs to go in there bully him use his superior weight and power and try and knock him out
shouldn’t even be entertaining boxing or a boxing style.
Should of gone with booth
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It does and should matter.
I find it amusing when people say beating Usyk is a simple case of using AJs power/size. It isn't as straightforward as that because Usyk is a high IQ fighter who will not just stand there and allow AJ to walk him down. Also, AJ has never been a fighter who uses his lhysicality and pressure, he isn't Chisora. If he just starts throwing bombs from the first round, he will be gassed by the 2nd and then he's in trouble.
The key to victory for AJ is getting to Usyks body and slowing him down. Now how he gets to the body is something his team hopefully worked on. I would assume the jab will be key and using feints and not biting on Usyks feints.
Also can't do any of this resetting he done last fight. The few times he hurt Usyk he just reset rather than put any pressure on, we need AJ of old with the killer instinct. Unfortunately I think this AJ no longer exists and we have this more cautious AJ who is gonna get out boxed again.
Good point Simon. This version of AJ has tasted defeat at the hands of Ruiz and since then, his taste for finishes has dried up. That's all mental.
Ruiz made him realise he has no chin and ever since then he has been terrified to fight like he used to
AJ definitely has a chin. The Ruiz punch that scrambled his brain and that he never recovered from in that fight was to the side of the head.
And I think that AJ definitely still knows how to ko mofos. Just ask Pulev.
AJ gets wobbled massively. the guy has a pretty poor chin as far as HW go
Anyone gets wobbled if they get tagged on the chin, especially if the punch comes from another HW, these guys hit like sledgehammers.
If AJ has no chin then it's miraculous that he's fought many of the best in the division spanning many years and only lost by ko once.
I don't think AJ has chin issues but he doesn't have a granite chin either.
Usyk doesn't carry big power so if AJ loses, it won't be from one punch, it will be a combination of fatigue and volume punching.
An interesting statistic for anyone that thinks AJ will stop Usyk early:
AJs last stoppage win, within the first 6 rounds was in 2016 against Eric Molina.
Is it just me or does anyone else have a nagging suspicion that Tyson Fury doesn't want anything to do with a fight with Usyk ? As in deep down he's worried about Usyk having something that could really trouble him if they fight.
He keeps referring to him as a middleweight which is of course ridiculous. I just get the feeling that Tyson definitely won't fight Usyk should he win this weekend. Hope I'm proven wrong.
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 3 seconds ago
Is it just me or does anyone else have a nagging suspicion that Tyson Fury doesn't want anything to do with a fight with Usyk ? As in deep down he's worried about Usyk having something that could really trouble him if they fight.
He keeps referring to him as a middleweight which is of course ridiculous. I just get the feeling that Tyson definitely won't fight Usyk should he win this weekend. Hope I'm proven wrong.
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If AJ wins Fury will be out of retirement quick smart to fight him.. If Usyk wins Fury's "mental health problems" may return, or he might want to face new "challenges" in other sports ... using the old "iv achieved everything in the sport" , "there will always be a new challenger to face" as he fights in some hyrid fight exhibition type.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 3 seconds ago
Is it just me or does anyone else have a nagging suspicion that Tyson Fury doesn't want anything to do with a fight with Usyk ? As in deep down he's worried about Usyk having something that could really trouble him if they fight.
He keeps referring to him as a middleweight which is of course ridiculous. I just get the feeling that Tyson definitely won't fight Usyk should he win this weekend. Hope I'm proven wrong.
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If AJ wins Fury will be out of retirement quick smart to fight him.. If Usyk wins Fury's "mental health problems" may return, or he might want to face new "challenges" in other sports ... using the old "iv achieved everything in the sport" , "there will always be a new challenger to face" as he fights in some hyrid fight exhibition type.
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Yeah this is how I see it as well with the exception of using mental health as an excuse.
Tyson knows that AJ is a fairly straightforward fight for him in terms of what he can expect. Usyk however presents all sorts of skills and boxing IQ that Fury hasn't faced before. And that worries him I suspect.
As boxing fans it's better if AJ wins at the weekend as my gut tells me that Fury won't get in a ring with Usyk.
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 3 seconds ago
Is it just me or does anyone else have a nagging suspicion that Tyson Fury doesn't want anything to do with a fight with Usyk ? As in deep down he's worried about Usyk having something that could really trouble him if they fight.
He keeps referring to him as a middleweight which is of course ridiculous. I just get the feeling that Tyson definitely won't fight Usyk should he win this weekend. Hope I'm proven wrong.
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If AJ wins Fury will be out of retirement quick smart to fight him.. If Usyk wins Fury's "mental health problems" may return, or he might want to face new "challenges" in other sports ... using the old "iv achieved everything in the sport" , "there will always be a new challenger to face" as he fights in some hyrid fight exhibition type.
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Yeah this is how I see it as well with the exception of using mental health as an excuse.
Tyson knows that AJ is a fairly straightforward fight for him in terms of what he can expect. Usyk however presents all sorts of skills and boxing IQ that Fury hasn't faced before. And that worries him I suspect.
As boxing fans it's better if AJ wins at the weekend as my gut tells me that Fury won't get in a ring with Usyk.
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"As boxing fans it's better if AJ wins at the weekend as my gut tells me that Fury won't get in a ring with Usyk."
Agreed, if AJ wins it brings the buzz back again... Fury AJ needs to happen IMO. I really hope they dont milk the life outta it and we see the fight when they are both in their 40's
I don't believe Fury is scared of losing to Usyk.
I suspect Fury doesn't want to fight for much longer and he'd only be interested in fights that are big pay days. Usyk isn't one of those and he would probably struggle to get motivated for it. The benefits of beating Usyk aren't that great either. He would be favourite and it would be an ugly fight.
A win over AJ increases Furys stock and it makes him enough money where he can actually retire.
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 8 minutes ago
I don't believe Fury is scared of losing to Usyk.
I suspect Fury doesn't want to fight for much longer and he'd only be interested in fights that are big pay days. Usyk isn't one of those and he would probably struggle to get motivated for it. The benefits of beating Usyk aren't that great either. He would be favourite and it would be an ugly fight.
A win over AJ increases Furys stock and it makes him enough money where he can actually retire.
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scared is the wrong word.... doesnt wanna damage his legacy is better choice of words.
knows that as long he keeps his zero he can claim to be the best and command higher fees for anything he does
ps If Usyk beats AJ ... then Fury v Usyk is the 2nd biggest earner out there in boxing for him.
Nah it would be a huge fight for the Undisputed Heavyweight Championship of the World. How could Fury not get up for the biggest fight in boxing against the guy that beat AJ twice ?
In the meantime Fury has apparently given an offer to Hearn to fight Chisora for a third time lol. A fight he has no problem getting motivated for.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 8 minutes ago
I don't believe Fury is scared of losing to Usyk.
I suspect Fury doesn't want to fight for much longer and he'd only be interested in fights that are big pay days. Usyk isn't one of those and he would probably struggle to get motivated for it. The benefits of beating Usyk aren't that great either. He would be favourite and it would be an ugly fight.
A win over AJ increases Furys stock and it makes him enough money where he can actually retire.
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scared is the wrong word.... doesnt wanna damage his legacy is better choice of words.
knows that as long he keeps his zero he can claim to be the best and command higher fees for anything he does
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Yeah scared isn't the right word. But he's definitely concerned about his ability, iq, speed and that he's a difficult southpaw and probably thinks that Usyk is all wrong for him. Which lets be honest he probably is despite the huge size advantage Tyson would have in a fight between them.
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 8 minutes ago
I don't believe Fury is scared of losing to Usyk.
I suspect Fury doesn't want to fight for much longer and he'd only be interested in fights that are big pay days. Usyk isn't one of those and he would probably struggle to get motivated for it. The benefits of beating Usyk aren't that great either. He would be favourite and it would be an ugly fight.
A win over AJ increases Furys stock and it makes him enough money where he can actually retire.
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scared is the wrong word.... doesnt wanna damage his legacy is better choice of words.
knows that as long he keeps his zero he can claim to be the best and command higher fees for anything he does
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Yeah scared isn't the right word. But he's definitely concerned about his ability, iq, speed and that he's a difficult southpaw and probably thinks that Usyk is all wrong for him. Which lets be honest he probably is despite the huge size advantage Tyson would have in a fight between them.
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plus in his position just now he commands a higher fee when fitting guys that are not relevant that no one wants to see. If he lost to Usyk his fees drop considerably.
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posted on 16/8/22
I think this is a much closer fight for various reasons. AJ is coming in lighter so it's less likely he's going to gas. He was utterly spent at the end of the 12th in the first fight and was close to collapse. Hopefully that's somewhat negated if he's carrying less timber and less muscle mass that requires huge amounts of oxygen.
In terms of strategy it's not rocket science, just keep it simple. It looks like Garcia knows what he's doing and so AJ will undoubtedly have a better gameplan. I'm expecting a lot more body shots from AJ when they're in close and when they're at distance AJ is going to use his natural reach, jab and size advantage more than he did before.
I'm also expecting to see less of this trying to outbox Usyk nonsense that we saw in the first fight. Garcia's fighters go for it so I'm expecting AJ to take the fight to Usyk this time round where he'll work Usyk's body more and probably aim to take his head off with one of those uppercuts should the opportunity present itself.
In terms of verdict hardly anyone gave Usyk much chance in their first fight. So with most people backing Usyk in the rematch it leads me to believe that AJ is going to win. Just seems to me that this match up brings up the unexpected.
Either way one thing is for definite is that at least one of these fighters is hitting the canvas in this fight in my opinion. Maybe even both of them and it's not going the distance. I'll go AJ to get the knockout in the 6th or 7th.
posted on 16/8/22
AJ certainly needs to target the body. Headhunting against a guy like Usyk will only cause him to miss and waste energy.
posted on 16/8/22
I watched an interview AJ done with Michelle Joy Phelps and he mentioned that his trainer, Angel, was given the authority to decide who AJs next trainer would be. This is concerning for me because Angel might have just picked Robert Garcia because both speak spanish.
posted on 16/8/22
Shouldn’t matter, AJ needs to go in there bully him use his superior weight and power and try and knock him out
shouldn’t even be entertaining boxing or a boxing style.
Should of gone with booth
posted on 16/8/22
comment by Oscar #TeamFury. Champion of NBA Predictions and 2021/2022 Winner (U12980)
posted 16 minutes ago
Shouldn’t matter, AJ needs to go in there bully him use his superior weight and power and try and knock him out
shouldn’t even be entertaining boxing or a boxing style.
Should of gone with booth
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this
AJ tries to outbox Usyk , he'll lose again
has to go in there throwing bombs looking to KO him
posted on 16/8/22
comment by Oscar #TeamFury. Champion of NBA Predictions and 2021/2022 Winner (U12980)
posted about an hour ago
Shouldn’t matter, AJ needs to go in there bully him use his superior weight and power and try and knock him out
shouldn’t even be entertaining boxing or a boxing style.
Should of gone with booth
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It does and should matter.
I find it amusing when people say beating Usyk is a simple case of using AJs power/size. It isn't as straightforward as that because Usyk is a high IQ fighter who will not just stand there and allow AJ to walk him down. Also, AJ has never been a fighter who uses his lhysicality and pressure, he isn't Chisora. If he just starts throwing bombs from the first round, he will be gassed by the 2nd and then he's in trouble.
posted on 16/8/22
The key to victory for AJ is getting to Usyks body and slowing him down. Now how he gets to the body is something his team hopefully worked on. I would assume the jab will be key and using feints and not biting on Usyks feints.
posted on 16/8/22
Also can't do any of this resetting he done last fight. The few times he hurt Usyk he just reset rather than put any pressure on, we need AJ of old with the killer instinct. Unfortunately I think this AJ no longer exists and we have this more cautious AJ who is gonna get out boxed again.
posted on 16/8/22
Good point Simon. This version of AJ has tasted defeat at the hands of Ruiz and since then, his taste for finishes has dried up. That's all mental.
posted on 16/8/22
Ruiz made him realise he has no chin and ever since then he has been terrified to fight like he used to
posted on 16/8/22
AJ definitely has a chin. The Ruiz punch that scrambled his brain and that he never recovered from in that fight was to the side of the head.
And I think that AJ definitely still knows how to ko mofos. Just ask Pulev.
posted on 16/8/22
AJ gets wobbled massively. the guy has a pretty poor chin as far as HW go
posted on 16/8/22
Anyone gets wobbled if they get tagged on the chin, especially if the punch comes from another HW, these guys hit like sledgehammers.
If AJ has no chin then it's miraculous that he's fought many of the best in the division spanning many years and only lost by ko once.
posted on 16/8/22
I don't think AJ has chin issues but he doesn't have a granite chin either.
Usyk doesn't carry big power so if AJ loses, it won't be from one punch, it will be a combination of fatigue and volume punching.
posted on 16/8/22
An interesting statistic for anyone that thinks AJ will stop Usyk early:
AJs last stoppage win, within the first 6 rounds was in 2016 against Eric Molina.
posted on 17/8/22
Is it just me or does anyone else have a nagging suspicion that Tyson Fury doesn't want anything to do with a fight with Usyk ? As in deep down he's worried about Usyk having something that could really trouble him if they fight.
He keeps referring to him as a middleweight which is of course ridiculous. I just get the feeling that Tyson definitely won't fight Usyk should he win this weekend. Hope I'm proven wrong.
posted on 17/8/22
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 3 seconds ago
Is it just me or does anyone else have a nagging suspicion that Tyson Fury doesn't want anything to do with a fight with Usyk ? As in deep down he's worried about Usyk having something that could really trouble him if they fight.
He keeps referring to him as a middleweight which is of course ridiculous. I just get the feeling that Tyson definitely won't fight Usyk should he win this weekend. Hope I'm proven wrong.
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If AJ wins Fury will be out of retirement quick smart to fight him.. If Usyk wins Fury's "mental health problems" may return, or he might want to face new "challenges" in other sports ... using the old "iv achieved everything in the sport" , "there will always be a new challenger to face" as he fights in some hyrid fight exhibition type.
posted on 17/8/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 3 seconds ago
Is it just me or does anyone else have a nagging suspicion that Tyson Fury doesn't want anything to do with a fight with Usyk ? As in deep down he's worried about Usyk having something that could really trouble him if they fight.
He keeps referring to him as a middleweight which is of course ridiculous. I just get the feeling that Tyson definitely won't fight Usyk should he win this weekend. Hope I'm proven wrong.
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If AJ wins Fury will be out of retirement quick smart to fight him.. If Usyk wins Fury's "mental health problems" may return, or he might want to face new "challenges" in other sports ... using the old "iv achieved everything in the sport" , "there will always be a new challenger to face" as he fights in some hyrid fight exhibition type.
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Yeah this is how I see it as well with the exception of using mental health as an excuse.
Tyson knows that AJ is a fairly straightforward fight for him in terms of what he can expect. Usyk however presents all sorts of skills and boxing IQ that Fury hasn't faced before. And that worries him I suspect.
As boxing fans it's better if AJ wins at the weekend as my gut tells me that Fury won't get in a ring with Usyk.
posted on 17/8/22
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 3 seconds ago
Is it just me or does anyone else have a nagging suspicion that Tyson Fury doesn't want anything to do with a fight with Usyk ? As in deep down he's worried about Usyk having something that could really trouble him if they fight.
He keeps referring to him as a middleweight which is of course ridiculous. I just get the feeling that Tyson definitely won't fight Usyk should he win this weekend. Hope I'm proven wrong.
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If AJ wins Fury will be out of retirement quick smart to fight him.. If Usyk wins Fury's "mental health problems" may return, or he might want to face new "challenges" in other sports ... using the old "iv achieved everything in the sport" , "there will always be a new challenger to face" as he fights in some hyrid fight exhibition type.
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Yeah this is how I see it as well with the exception of using mental health as an excuse.
Tyson knows that AJ is a fairly straightforward fight for him in terms of what he can expect. Usyk however presents all sorts of skills and boxing IQ that Fury hasn't faced before. And that worries him I suspect.
As boxing fans it's better if AJ wins at the weekend as my gut tells me that Fury won't get in a ring with Usyk.
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"As boxing fans it's better if AJ wins at the weekend as my gut tells me that Fury won't get in a ring with Usyk."
Agreed, if AJ wins it brings the buzz back again... Fury AJ needs to happen IMO. I really hope they dont milk the life outta it and we see the fight when they are both in their 40's
posted on 17/8/22
I don't believe Fury is scared of losing to Usyk.
I suspect Fury doesn't want to fight for much longer and he'd only be interested in fights that are big pay days. Usyk isn't one of those and he would probably struggle to get motivated for it. The benefits of beating Usyk aren't that great either. He would be favourite and it would be an ugly fight.
A win over AJ increases Furys stock and it makes him enough money where he can actually retire.
posted on 17/8/22
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 8 minutes ago
I don't believe Fury is scared of losing to Usyk.
I suspect Fury doesn't want to fight for much longer and he'd only be interested in fights that are big pay days. Usyk isn't one of those and he would probably struggle to get motivated for it. The benefits of beating Usyk aren't that great either. He would be favourite and it would be an ugly fight.
A win over AJ increases Furys stock and it makes him enough money where he can actually retire.
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scared is the wrong word.... doesnt wanna damage his legacy is better choice of words.
knows that as long he keeps his zero he can claim to be the best and command higher fees for anything he does
posted on 17/8/22
ps If Usyk beats AJ ... then Fury v Usyk is the 2nd biggest earner out there in boxing for him.
posted on 17/8/22
Nah it would be a huge fight for the Undisputed Heavyweight Championship of the World. How could Fury not get up for the biggest fight in boxing against the guy that beat AJ twice ?
In the meantime Fury has apparently given an offer to Hearn to fight Chisora for a third time lol. A fight he has no problem getting motivated for.
posted on 17/8/22
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 8 minutes ago
I don't believe Fury is scared of losing to Usyk.
I suspect Fury doesn't want to fight for much longer and he'd only be interested in fights that are big pay days. Usyk isn't one of those and he would probably struggle to get motivated for it. The benefits of beating Usyk aren't that great either. He would be favourite and it would be an ugly fight.
A win over AJ increases Furys stock and it makes him enough money where he can actually retire.
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scared is the wrong word.... doesnt wanna damage his legacy is better choice of words.
knows that as long he keeps his zero he can claim to be the best and command higher fees for anything he does
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Yeah scared isn't the right word. But he's definitely concerned about his ability, iq, speed and that he's a difficult southpaw and probably thinks that Usyk is all wrong for him. Which lets be honest he probably is despite the huge size advantage Tyson would have in a fight between them.
posted on 17/8/22
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by The Guvnor XI -Iron sharpens Iron- (U12889)
posted 8 minutes ago
I don't believe Fury is scared of losing to Usyk.
I suspect Fury doesn't want to fight for much longer and he'd only be interested in fights that are big pay days. Usyk isn't one of those and he would probably struggle to get motivated for it. The benefits of beating Usyk aren't that great either. He would be favourite and it would be an ugly fight.
A win over AJ increases Furys stock and it makes him enough money where he can actually retire.
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scared is the wrong word.... doesnt wanna damage his legacy is better choice of words.
knows that as long he keeps his zero he can claim to be the best and command higher fees for anything he does
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Yeah scared isn't the right word. But he's definitely concerned about his ability, iq, speed and that he's a difficult southpaw and probably thinks that Usyk is all wrong for him. Which lets be honest he probably is despite the huge size advantage Tyson would have in a fight between them.
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plus in his position just now he commands a higher fee when fitting guys that are not relevant that no one wants to see. If he lost to Usyk his fees drop considerably.
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