AJ beat Takam who then lost to Chisora

He beat Breazale in 9 who lost to Wilder in round 1

He lost to Usyk twice and couldn’t even make him flinch yet Dubois put him on his ass

And old klitschhko and an old pulev and an old povetkin

On that basis Parker is the only credible win on AJ’s record

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That’s more like it wilder
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So..you were saying?
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Wilder finished mentally thought he’d come back in this fight evidently not
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He's always been overrated. Don't think AJ would chicken out of a fight with him now.
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Can’t be that bad given he’s won about 40 fights by knockout and He knocked fury the best in the world down 3 times, Klitschko couldn’t land a glove on fury, is he over rated?
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Fury was at his best in both the Klit and second Wilder fight and neither opponent landed a glove.

Wilder has been overrated though. Padded his record out with a load of bums but when fighting any particularly decent fighter he got exposed. His 3 best opponents he's lost against.
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The thing I don’t get is why it’s so important to you to try put someone down?
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I'm just speaking what I believe is true. It's why I thought Zhang was going to beat him and that's what happened.
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But you thought Hrgovic would win and that isn’t what happened so why didn’t CV count in that fight?

It’s like CV only matters when you’re trying to put someone down that’s all I’m saying

As on CV basis Dubois was always going to win

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Malik Scott
Stiverne
Ortiz
Molina
Washington
Arreola
Helenius
Brezeale

It’s not a great record but he still knocked them all out

also far better than Hrgovic’s record who you and Superb were literally licking earlier saying how he was gonna beat Dubois and Dubois so CV didn’t matter then Lol

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In fairness I switched to Dubois before the fight started so my prediction was correct.

That list just shows how weak Wilder's resume was though. Who's Malik Scott ? He's a nobody who became Wilder's trainer for some reason. Stiverne the worst WBC Champ in decades. Helenius was almost pulled out of retirement to fight Wilder. It's a totally unconvincing list apart from Ortiz.

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Malik Scott
Stiverne
Ortiz
Molina
Washington
Arreola
Helenius
Brezeale

It’s not a great record but he still knocked them all out

also far better than Hrgovic’s record who you and Superb were literally licking earlier saying how he was gonna beat Dubois and Dubois so CV didn’t matter then Lol

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In fairness I switched to Dubois before the fight started so my prediction was correct.

That list just shows how weak Wilder's resume was though. Who's Malik Scott ? He's a nobody who became Wilder's trainer for some reason. Stiverne the worst WBC Champ in decades. Helenius was almost pulled out of retirement to fight Wilder. It's a totally unconvincing list apart from Ortiz.

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But why does it matter so much to you? Let’s just enjoy the boxing for what it is, too many people care about records and Chisora will always have the best heavyweight resume despite them all being L’s for half of them

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Malik Scott
Stiverne
Ortiz
Molina
Washington
Arreola
Helenius
Brezeale

It’s not a great record but he still knocked them all out

also far better than Hrgovic’s record who you and Superb were literally licking earlier saying how he was gonna beat Dubois and Dubois so CV didn’t matter then Lol

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In fairness I switched to Dubois before the fight started so my prediction was correct.

That list just shows how weak Wilder's resume was though. Who's Malik Scott ? He's a nobody who became Wilder's trainer for some reason. Stiverne the worst WBC Champ in decades. Helenius was almost pulled out of retirement to fight Wilder. It's a totally unconvincing list apart from Ortiz.

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Was no different level of calibre to the majority of the first 20 people Tyson knocked out if we want to nit pick, it’s still impressive knocking them all out

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That’s more like it wilder
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So..you were saying?
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Wilder finished mentally thought he’d come back in this fight evidently not
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He's always been overrated. Don't think AJ would chicken out of a fight with him now.
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Can’t be that bad given he’s won about 40 fights by knockout and He knocked fury the best in the world down 3 times, Klitschko couldn’t land a glove on fury, is he over rated?
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Fury was at his best in both the Klit and second Wilder fight and neither opponent landed a glove.

Wilder has been overrated though. Padded his record out with a load of bums but when fighting any particularly decent fighter he got exposed. His 3 best opponents he's lost against.
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The thing I don’t get is why it’s so important to you to try put someone down?
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I'm just speaking what I believe is true. It's why I thought Zhang was going to beat him and that's what happened.
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But you thought Hrgovic would win and that isn’t what happened so why didn’t CV count in that fight?
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Well there were a few reasons why I thought Hrgovic would win, part of that was the CV. I'm probably in the minority thinking Hrgovic nicked it against Zhang. So yeah I didn't expect that result.

Mike Tyson fought and beat much better fighters than Wilder though.

* much better fighters than Wilder beat

Mike Tyson was fearsome because he was brutal, a savage and knocked so many people out quickly

Wilder was the exact same

The level of opposition they both knocked out wasnt elite but the impressiveness came from knocking them all out brutally and so quickly

Calzaghe’s first 20-25 fights were mediocre but it was impressive the way he did it, same with a lot of fighters

You can still have an impressive boxing record even if the opposition for a lot were not elite is the point i’m making

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Mike Tyson fought and beat much better fighters than Wilder though.
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Absolutely, but what made him first become fearsome and feared was brutal knock outs of mediocre opponents

Wilder’s nowhere near the level Tyson was

I’m just trying to say your record can still be found impressive even if it wasn’t against top tier opponents

Wilder hasn’t suddenly “always been” mediocre just because he’s lost a few fights

Mike Tyson beat Holmes, Spinks, Bruno, Bonecrusher Smith, Golota, Ruddock etc. All much better fighters than anyone Wilder ever beat. It's not even close mate, there's no comparison at all.

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Wilder’s nowhere near the level Tyson was

I’m just trying to say your record can still be found impressive even if it wasn’t against top tier opponents

Wilder hasn’t suddenly “always been” mediocre just because he’s lost a few fights
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Well I called him overrated rather than mediocre. He's good (mainly because of that right hand power) but he's never been that good.

Hopefully AJ v Dubios for IBF next

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Mike Tyson beat Holmes, Spinks, Bruno, Bonecrusher Smith, Golota, Ruddock etc. All much better fighters than anyone Wilder ever beat. It's not even close mate, there's no comparison at all.
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You’re missing my point. I said wilder’s nowhere near what Tyson was. I’m saying The comparison was with what made him fearsome was the brutal and savage KO’s in his first 20-25 fights where he fought absolute nobodies, like Wilder did. But the way they knocked them out is what got their reputation and it was impressive from both

And I’m saying we could easily nit-pick Mike Tyson’s record for mediocre opposition or old opposition

Everyone’s record can be nit picked to try shine negative on it

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Wilder’s nowhere near the level Tyson was

I’m just trying to say your record can still be found impressive even if it wasn’t against top tier opponents

Wilder hasn’t suddenly “always been” mediocre just because he’s lost a few fights
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Don't think anyone is saying that Wilder was mediocre but his win record doesn't stand up to much scrutiny at all when you compare him to most other WBC Champs. And in hindsight he was an overrated Champion even if he had a massive punch.

History isn't going to remember Wilder as top tier and I imagine he'll get forgotten about over the decades apart from his admittedly exciting trilogy against Fury.

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Wilder’s nowhere near the level Tyson was

I’m just trying to say your record can still be found impressive even if it wasn’t against top tier opponents

Wilder hasn’t suddenly “always been” mediocre just because he’s lost a few fights
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Well I called him overrated rather than mediocre. He's good (mainly because of that right hand power) but he's never been that good.
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The thing is he’s 38 years old and has had 45+ fights including 3 absolute wars and tough fights with Fury, plus he’s now got more money than he’s ever seen and his set for life

Would the hungry fearless savage Wilder of 5 years ago have lost to Zhang and Parker, or lost so meekly and without even barely throwing a punch? We don’t know. But I don’t think we can call someone over rated just because of it

He’s got money, had loads of fights and is nearly 40. He’s not going to be the same fighter he was a decade ago

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Wilder’s nowhere near the level Tyson was

I’m just trying to say your record can still be found impressive even if it wasn’t against top tier opponents

Wilder hasn’t suddenly “always been” mediocre just because he’s lost a few fights
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Don't think anyone is saying that Wilder was mediocre but his win record doesn't stand up to much scrutiny at all when you compare him to most other WBC Champs. And in hindsight he was an overrated Champion even if he had a massive punch.

History isn't going to remember Wilder as top tier and I imagine he'll get forgotten about over the decades apart from his admittedly exciting trilogy against Fury.
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Exactly my point, it’s not the people on the record that was impressive, it was that his first 40 fights he knocked out all of them and won 39 of them by knockout

Regardless of opposition that’s impressive, and if he wasn’t that good or actually that powerful he wouldn’t have won pretty much all of them by knock out

Superb, Frank Bruno is considered a legend by most

Who did he ever actually beat of any note? Everytime he came up against someone good he lost, even when he won his world title McCall was mediocre, had lost countless times and Bruno didn’t even win by knockout in that one

But would anyone in this day and age argue Bruno wasn’t a legend?

Chisora’s got a far better record than Bruno, but will he be classed as a legend? Not likely. Back then was a different logic to this day and age

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And I’m saying we could easily nit-pick Mike Tyson’s record for mediocre opposition or old opposition

Everyone’s record can be nit picked to try shine negative on it
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I'm never shy of nitpicking Mike Tyson's record because there aren't enough wins against truly top class fighters in their prime for my liking. But it's leagues better than Wilder's. Comparing their win record is like comparing Premiership with League 1 or 2 quite honestly.

I don't think Wilder even ever beat a fighter as good as Trevor Berbick who Tyson destroyed.

Bruno and Wilder have similar resumes yet Wilder probably wins overall. Bruno’s considered a legend but Wilder’s considered over rated and was never that good and will be forgotten about

That’s where I find no sense Lol

Superb, Frank Bruno is considered a legend by most
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Not by me he isn't. A very loved fighter at the time by the British public but that doesn't make him a legend. Not even close. A good Heavyweight fighter though no doubt, he gave Lennox Lewis a very tough fight in Cardiff.

Bruno fought much better fighters than Wilder. We'll have to continue this tomorrow.