If we are talking expensive flops it has to be
Xhaka
Laca
Mustafi
Jeffers
Welbeck
We actually made a profit on Jeffers and broke even on Reyes.
Whatever metric you use most of the flops have been in the last 5 years. Basically after Wenger was allowed to spend freely without David Dein holding his hands.
Unless Xhaka improves a lot next season, he’s got to be contender for one of worse Wenger signings considering his price tag, and especially taking into account he chose him over Kante. Not like he doesn’t get given a chance either.
Wengers signings on the whole have been bad. He’s had a lot of awful signings. Silvestre, Santos, Park, chamakh, squilaci, Gervinho, Welbeck, Almunia, denilson, Cygan, Xhaka ect. Many got plenty of game time before they were finally shipped out.
Then he gives lots of game time to dross, and ignore players almost from day one after signing them, like podolski and Perez
Xhaka for sure. He’s awful, should be sold in the summer.
Chambers, Welbeck, Jeffers, Ozil and Aubamyang soon will be 5th.
comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 2 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 3 minutes ago
Played a handful of games. 3 assists in his first game
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You're just proving assist stats are useless. Also anyone could get 3 assists against that Everton side.
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Yes agree, Everton are sh:t and stats should not be counted against them besides Arsenal always thrash them
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 8 minutes ago
Would you lot put Reyes in that category?
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No.
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why not?
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His contribution to the Invincibles season alone is reason enough for him not to be considered a flop.
Gervinho has got to be up there. That game you lost on penalties to Bradford (?) I remember him missing a couple of open nets. The number of times he used to run the ball out of play for a goal kick was hilarious too.
Wenger: "When you see all the fees around you become dizzy. We do what we want and we look first at the quality of the player and after if we have the money we spend it.
"Gervinho will be a breath of fresh air. He looks a great talent.
"You can tell he can bring goals, he has got plenty of pace about him and he is very comfortable on the ball."
Great scouting, guys...
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wenger: "When you see all the fees around you become dizzy. We do what we want and we look first at the quality of the player and after if we have the money we spend it.
"Gervinho will be a breath of fresh air. He looks a great talent.
"You can tell he can bring goals, he has got plenty of pace about him and he is very comfortable on the ball."
Great scouting, guys...
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Don't know how they could look themselves in the mirror after that signing.
Well, to be fair, they didn't need a mirror, they just used Gervinho's forehead.
I don't see how Ozil is a flop. In his 5 years here, only Alexis has been a better performer than him.
Ozil has been very inconsistent. Has a good two month period here or there but nothing other then that. Constant flop against the big boys away from home and not the guy for the big occasion
He's been inconsistent. That doesn't make him a "flop". He flops about as much as the rest of the team in big games. You cannot say that someone who has easily been one of our best players and first names on the team sheet over the last 5 years is a flop. Even this season until the last couple of weeks, I thought he was by far our best performer.
This doesn't mean I'm his biggest fan, but you can't be creating a list that has wastes of space like Xhaka, Mustafi and Welbeck and including Ozil among them.
He was doing well a few months ago but ever since he signed the new contract, his form has once again dipped. He cost 42M which at the time was fairly substantial but he has hardly set the world alight during his time with us. If he left in Jan he wouldn't have gone down as a player that succeeded at Arsenal
it depends if you take transfer fee and reputation into account, he hasn't had much competition for top performers. Attacking midfielders in the league Silva, De Bruyne, Eriksen, Coutinho, Hazard have all been comfortably better than him not really close. He's played better than the likes of Elneny but that doesn't make Elneny more of a flop
comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
Gervinho has got to be up there. That game you lost on penalties to Bradford (?) I remember him missing a couple of open nets. The number of times he used to run the ball out of play for a goal kick was hilarious too.
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I have never hated an Arsenal player like I hated Gervinho. I devised him so much - the only other player who came close for me was Silvestre. I swear each time I watched either of them play, I actually wished injury or misfortune on them, as disgusting as that sounds - I simply could not bear to look at them.
OP - I don't think Özil can be considered a flop, as he is clearly a gifted footballer. I consider him a disappointment, limited by the teams he does well against (he never, ever performs against big teams which is when we need him most), and an incredibly sulky, emotional player who managed to hide in plain sight at Madrid because he was surrounded by winners.
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 11 minutes ago
it depends if you take transfer fee and reputation into account, he hasn't had much competition for top performers. Attacking midfielders in the league Silva, De Bruyne, Eriksen, Coutinho, Hazard have all been comfortably better than him not really close. He's played better than the likes of Elneny but that doesn't make Elneny more of a flop
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Eriksen hasn't been better, nevermind it not being close. Coutinho and Silva in the last 5 years were barely better. Hazard is the only one you could claim has been far better.
Again, I'm hardly Ozil's biggest fan, but people have a highly distorted view of him that I simply can't understand. To merely say he has just been "better than Elneny" is ridiculous. Other than Alexis, he has been by far our best performer over the last 5 years. For a team that has finished 2nd, 3rd and 4th in that span and won 3 FA cups and been CL regulars, you can't be suggesting we were merely a team of Elnenys, who probably wouldn't get into West Brom's 11.
Alexis was a million miles better performer than anyone else in our team, nobody else has been great in the last 5 years, and wouldn't put Ozil 2nd best. Giroud was better. Koscielny probably better until his physical decline last couple of years. Monreal, Cazorla (even with his two year absence) arguably better. We played better football with Santi as our no.10, since Ozil has joined we've become worse to watch because he can't control games. I'm critical of him because of his level of talent and what I expect from him, based on that he's been a huge let down. He plays well for a month and his fanboys come out the woodwork about how amazing he is and proved everyone wrong until he disappears again for another few months. The guys on 350k a week more double anyone else in our squad and for me he's more of a liability than anything positive he brings to our game.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 4 hours, 34 minutes ago
We actually made a profit on Jeffers and broke even on Reyes.
Whatever metric you use most of the flops have been in the last 5 years. Basically after Wenger was allowed to spend freely without David Dein holding his hands.
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A profit on Jeffers? Erm, no we didn't.
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
Alexis was a million miles better performer than anyone else in our team, nobody else has been great in the last 5 years, and wouldn't put Ozil 2nd best. Giroud was better. Koscielny probably better until his physical decline last couple of years. Monreal, Cazorla (even with his two year absence) arguably better. We played better football with Santi as our no.10, since Ozil has joined we've become worse to watch because he can't control games. I'm critical of him because of his level of talent and what I expect from him, based on that he's been a huge let down. He plays well for a month and his fanboys come out the woodwork about how amazing he is and proved everyone wrong until he disappears again for another few months. The guys on 350k a week more double anyone else in our squad and for me he's more of a liability than anything positive he brings to our game.
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Losing Cazorla has affected Arsenal massively imo especially after loaning out Wilshere. It's effected everything from control to transitions.
The demise started after Santi and Coq both got injured. They probably formed the best partnership we had in years and Cazorla was comfortably one of the leading players in the league.
Cazorla for me was miles ahead of Cazorla. He was better than Ozil in every position on the field and just connected our Mf far better. Even Ozil game improved with Santi
Ask most players at Arsenal who is the best player they have played with and Santi is the most common answer
"Cazorla for me was miles ahead of *Ozil
To coin a phrase from my mate GT "I do not wonder about some of the people on here ".
Ozil, Reyes and Arshavin on the flop list? Clearly you have no idea.
My top 5 flops would be Mustafi, Xhaka, Jeffers, Cech, Welbeck. Lacazette is not on the list solely because he was only bought 6 months ago, but given he was £50m+ and within that 6 months was effectively replaced by Aubameyang means he's not far of the flop list.
We paid a lot of money for Jeffers back in the day and he was facking awful. Completely out of his depth. Fact we might have broke even on him is irrelevant.
Cech is there simply because of the reputation is came with, rather than his price tag. Remember when he was meant to save us 15 points a season?? But tbf even a tenner would have been too much for him.
Not much to discuss about Xhaka, Mustafi & Welbeck. I struggle to believe how they made it as professional footballers, let alone are first teamers for a club like Arsenal. We've have some right stinkers over the years but somehow those three managed to stick out.
Fact we might have broke even on him is irrelevant.
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It is relevant because it is a reflection of the player's worth in the market and not just a subjective dislike of the player by the fanbase.
So many players have come through Arsenal but because they didn't cost much, they aren't counted as flops. I mean who would care abt Xhaka, Mustafi etc. if they didn't cost £35m+. If they had been £5m-£10m Arsenal could have easily moved them on and they would be part of the list that people didn't even think played for Arsenal. Remember Stepenovs? or Cygan or Kaba Diawara or how abt Park or Inamoto?
And would Anelka be considered a success even though he was only briefly at Arsenal but we made a humongous profit on him?
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posted on 6/3/18
If we are talking expensive flops it has to be
Xhaka
Laca
Mustafi
Jeffers
Welbeck
posted on 6/3/18
We actually made a profit on Jeffers and broke even on Reyes.
Whatever metric you use most of the flops have been in the last 5 years. Basically after Wenger was allowed to spend freely without David Dein holding his hands.
posted on 6/3/18
Unless Xhaka improves a lot next season, he’s got to be contender for one of worse Wenger signings considering his price tag, and especially taking into account he chose him over Kante. Not like he doesn’t get given a chance either.
Wengers signings on the whole have been bad. He’s had a lot of awful signings. Silvestre, Santos, Park, chamakh, squilaci, Gervinho, Welbeck, Almunia, denilson, Cygan, Xhaka ect. Many got plenty of game time before they were finally shipped out.
Then he gives lots of game time to dross, and ignore players almost from day one after signing them, like podolski and Perez
posted on 6/3/18
Xhaka for sure. He’s awful, should be sold in the summer.
posted on 6/3/18
Chambers, Welbeck, Jeffers, Ozil and Aubamyang soon will be 5th.
posted on 6/3/18
comment by vidicthelegend VIVA LA REVOLUTION (U8735)
posted 2 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 3 minutes ago
Played a handful of games. 3 assists in his first game
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You're just proving assist stats are useless. Also anyone could get 3 assists against that Everton side.
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Yes agree, Everton are sh:t and stats should not be counted against them besides Arsenal always thrash them
posted on 6/3/18
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 8 minutes ago
Would you lot put Reyes in that category?
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No.
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why not?
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His contribution to the Invincibles season alone is reason enough for him not to be considered a flop.
posted on 6/3/18
Gervinho has got to be up there. That game you lost on penalties to Bradford (?) I remember him missing a couple of open nets. The number of times he used to run the ball out of play for a goal kick was hilarious too.
posted on 6/3/18
Wenger: "When you see all the fees around you become dizzy. We do what we want and we look first at the quality of the player and after if we have the money we spend it.
"Gervinho will be a breath of fresh air. He looks a great talent.
"You can tell he can bring goals, he has got plenty of pace about him and he is very comfortable on the ball."
Great scouting, guys...
posted on 6/3/18
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 2 minutes ago
Wenger: "When you see all the fees around you become dizzy. We do what we want and we look first at the quality of the player and after if we have the money we spend it.
"Gervinho will be a breath of fresh air. He looks a great talent.
"You can tell he can bring goals, he has got plenty of pace about him and he is very comfortable on the ball."
Great scouting, guys...
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Don't know how they could look themselves in the mirror after that signing.
Well, to be fair, they didn't need a mirror, they just used Gervinho's forehead.
posted on 6/3/18
I don't see how Ozil is a flop. In his 5 years here, only Alexis has been a better performer than him.
posted on 6/3/18
Ozil has been very inconsistent. Has a good two month period here or there but nothing other then that. Constant flop against the big boys away from home and not the guy for the big occasion
posted on 6/3/18
He's been inconsistent. That doesn't make him a "flop". He flops about as much as the rest of the team in big games. You cannot say that someone who has easily been one of our best players and first names on the team sheet over the last 5 years is a flop. Even this season until the last couple of weeks, I thought he was by far our best performer.
posted on 6/3/18
This doesn't mean I'm his biggest fan, but you can't be creating a list that has wastes of space like Xhaka, Mustafi and Welbeck and including Ozil among them.
posted on 6/3/18
He was doing well a few months ago but ever since he signed the new contract, his form has once again dipped. He cost 42M which at the time was fairly substantial but he has hardly set the world alight during his time with us. If he left in Jan he wouldn't have gone down as a player that succeeded at Arsenal
posted on 6/3/18
it depends if you take transfer fee and reputation into account, he hasn't had much competition for top performers. Attacking midfielders in the league Silva, De Bruyne, Eriksen, Coutinho, Hazard have all been comfortably better than him not really close. He's played better than the likes of Elneny but that doesn't make Elneny more of a flop
posted on 6/3/18
comment by Neo (U9135)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
Gervinho has got to be up there. That game you lost on penalties to Bradford (?) I remember him missing a couple of open nets. The number of times he used to run the ball out of play for a goal kick was hilarious too.
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I have never hated an Arsenal player like I hated Gervinho. I devised him so much - the only other player who came close for me was Silvestre. I swear each time I watched either of them play, I actually wished injury or misfortune on them, as disgusting as that sounds - I simply could not bear to look at them.
OP - I don't think Özil can be considered a flop, as he is clearly a gifted footballer. I consider him a disappointment, limited by the teams he does well against (he never, ever performs against big teams which is when we need him most), and an incredibly sulky, emotional player who managed to hide in plain sight at Madrid because he was surrounded by winners.
posted on 6/3/18
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 11 minutes ago
it depends if you take transfer fee and reputation into account, he hasn't had much competition for top performers. Attacking midfielders in the league Silva, De Bruyne, Eriksen, Coutinho, Hazard have all been comfortably better than him not really close. He's played better than the likes of Elneny but that doesn't make Elneny more of a flop
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Eriksen hasn't been better, nevermind it not being close. Coutinho and Silva in the last 5 years were barely better. Hazard is the only one you could claim has been far better.
Again, I'm hardly Ozil's biggest fan, but people have a highly distorted view of him that I simply can't understand. To merely say he has just been "better than Elneny" is ridiculous. Other than Alexis, he has been by far our best performer over the last 5 years. For a team that has finished 2nd, 3rd and 4th in that span and won 3 FA cups and been CL regulars, you can't be suggesting we were merely a team of Elnenys, who probably wouldn't get into West Brom's 11.
posted on 6/3/18
Alexis was a million miles better performer than anyone else in our team, nobody else has been great in the last 5 years, and wouldn't put Ozil 2nd best. Giroud was better. Koscielny probably better until his physical decline last couple of years. Monreal, Cazorla (even with his two year absence) arguably better. We played better football with Santi as our no.10, since Ozil has joined we've become worse to watch because he can't control games. I'm critical of him because of his level of talent and what I expect from him, based on that he's been a huge let down. He plays well for a month and his fanboys come out the woodwork about how amazing he is and proved everyone wrong until he disappears again for another few months. The guys on 350k a week more double anyone else in our squad and for me he's more of a liability than anything positive he brings to our game.
posted on 6/3/18
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 4 hours, 34 minutes ago
We actually made a profit on Jeffers and broke even on Reyes.
Whatever metric you use most of the flops have been in the last 5 years. Basically after Wenger was allowed to spend freely without David Dein holding his hands.
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A profit on Jeffers? Erm, no we didn't.
posted on 6/3/18
comment by 8bit (U2653)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
Alexis was a million miles better performer than anyone else in our team, nobody else has been great in the last 5 years, and wouldn't put Ozil 2nd best. Giroud was better. Koscielny probably better until his physical decline last couple of years. Monreal, Cazorla (even with his two year absence) arguably better. We played better football with Santi as our no.10, since Ozil has joined we've become worse to watch because he can't control games. I'm critical of him because of his level of talent and what I expect from him, based on that he's been a huge let down. He plays well for a month and his fanboys come out the woodwork about how amazing he is and proved everyone wrong until he disappears again for another few months. The guys on 350k a week more double anyone else in our squad and for me he's more of a liability than anything positive he brings to our game.
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Losing Cazorla has affected Arsenal massively imo especially after loaning out Wilshere. It's effected everything from control to transitions.
posted on 6/3/18
The demise started after Santi and Coq both got injured. They probably formed the best partnership we had in years and Cazorla was comfortably one of the leading players in the league.
Cazorla for me was miles ahead of Cazorla. He was better than Ozil in every position on the field and just connected our Mf far better. Even Ozil game improved with Santi
Ask most players at Arsenal who is the best player they have played with and Santi is the most common answer
posted on 6/3/18
"Cazorla for me was miles ahead of *Ozil
posted on 7/3/18
To coin a phrase from my mate GT "I do not wonder about some of the people on here ".
Ozil, Reyes and Arshavin on the flop list? Clearly you have no idea.
My top 5 flops would be Mustafi, Xhaka, Jeffers, Cech, Welbeck. Lacazette is not on the list solely because he was only bought 6 months ago, but given he was £50m+ and within that 6 months was effectively replaced by Aubameyang means he's not far of the flop list.
We paid a lot of money for Jeffers back in the day and he was facking awful. Completely out of his depth. Fact we might have broke even on him is irrelevant.
Cech is there simply because of the reputation is came with, rather than his price tag. Remember when he was meant to save us 15 points a season?? But tbf even a tenner would have been too much for him.
Not much to discuss about Xhaka, Mustafi & Welbeck. I struggle to believe how they made it as professional footballers, let alone are first teamers for a club like Arsenal. We've have some right stinkers over the years but somehow those three managed to stick out.
posted on 7/3/18
Fact we might have broke even on him is irrelevant.
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It is relevant because it is a reflection of the player's worth in the market and not just a subjective dislike of the player by the fanbase.
So many players have come through Arsenal but because they didn't cost much, they aren't counted as flops. I mean who would care abt Xhaka, Mustafi etc. if they didn't cost £35m+. If they had been £5m-£10m Arsenal could have easily moved them on and they would be part of the list that people didn't even think played for Arsenal. Remember Stepenovs? or Cygan or Kaba Diawara or how abt Park or Inamoto?
And would Anelka be considered a success even though he was only briefly at Arsenal but we made a humongous profit on him?
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