We might not be in a great place right now but we should still be grateful to our new owner.
ok.
Where are the lifelong billionaire lufc supporters who don't care about frittering all their money away and have the experience to know what they are doing?
Why would an experienced businessperson who spent their life building profits choose to enter the one business that pretty much guarantees losses?
You're pretty much asking for a playboy and that is what we have had time and again - Bates was the one who tried to run it like a proper business and he did all the dodgy business deals and hid the money and didn't spend on the things that would have made us successful and treated fans as consumers. He made sure he was alright and got out at the exact time to leave the club in a bad state for someone else to pick up and for us to suffer.
I'm really not sure you know what you want, other than a geese that lays golden lufc eggs
Read Leslie Silvers Wiki Page
A war hero successful local businessman who wanted to give something back to his local community. A true gentlemen who took our club by the scruff of the neck and gave me my best memories since the Revie Years.
This was before owners on the make were thought of!
Different eta I’m afraid Eddie, but even he got loads of stick over Batty sale.
Even a Leeds fan who was an owner would need to have investors and that means making decisions based on return. Therefore can't run a football club of this size without selling their values at some point.
Just someone who understands the game or has someone running the day to day who understands the game.
The current set up stinks of following the wrong advice from the wrong people.
We need AR to learn from this season.
well at least we're not being over dramatic about it all
If I had a billion to play with, I'd still have second thoughts about taking on the club.
It wouldn't be to do with spending the money or losing money over time as most clubs do.
It would be the thought of all the bile and crap that would be thrown my way from our fans if anything went wrong for a while.
The way some of our fans treat the owners is downright disgraceful.
Some may have deserved it at the time, but there seems to be no grey area for many Leeds fans - you're either the second coming or Bates.
It's possible to be a good owner, but not have immediate success. Patience is required. There's a five-year plan for a reason.
I'm not saying that we should be quiet when we see something that's obviously wrong - we just need to not go down the path of alienating potentially the best owner we've had in decades.
You just explained Ridsdale
"There's a five-year plan for a reason."
Good to know. Can you share it with us please?
Like Dean Hoyle................
I wonder if his five year plan now still holds, and that this season was in that plan, as we see how this season as gone... I think we all remember something about being at least a top six contingent this season.
We need AR to learn from this season.
^ This
icub4me - as we both know, the mythical 5 year plan is a classic bit of bull to create the illusion that the owner has some objectives and the means to achieve these.
We should have learnt from the past to ignore owners' so called plans until they share them with us and demonstrate that progress is being made.
That is not the case here.
AR was pretty clear about the plan.
"Better than last season" this season, promotion in 2 years and who knows what for the next 3.
I'm going to be pretty clear with my plan too, I'm going to do better in the lottery this year and win it within 2 years.
I'm not going to tell anyone how I'm going to achieve it, but I want you all to buy shares in my company that is going to win the lottery.
comment by JackCharlton (U19203)
posted 2 hours, 53 minutes ago
"There's a five-year plan for a reason."
Good to know. Can you share it with us please?
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Obviously none of us are party to the details, but in simple terms:
Our team is such a mess that it's going to take that long to turn it around.
43, see that HNC in Business studies you did in 1981 was worth it!!
comment by JackCharlton (U19203)
posted 41 minutes ago
icub4me - as we both know, the mythical 5 year plan is a classic bit of bull to create the illusion that the owner has some objectives and the means to achieve these.
We should have learnt from the past to ignore owners' so called plans until they share them with us and demonstrate that progress is being made.
That is not the case here.
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A poster that can see the future? Nice to know we have Nostradamus on these boards.
Lubo - I'm not claiming to see the future. But apparently AR has a plan.
If you can send a link, I will take it seriously.
Why would I know what the five year plan is? These sorts of thing aren't made public knowledge.
On the contrary. Most high street businesses publish their business plan with their accounts each year. AR's plan for Leeds is a mystery because either he doesn't have a plan or he is unwilling to share it with the supporters.
What concerns me is that some posters give the guy some credibility because he once mentioned a 5 year plan. Personally I share the view of others on this thread that AR has made a poor start to his ownership both on and off the pitch and I don't see any evidence that he will turn things round. But time will tell.
Or because he makes it public how much money we have to spend then teams are going to start charging more than they might have otherwise.
Running a football club is completely different to running a high street business.
On the contrary, running a sports club has the same principles as any commercial enterprise. You have a strategy, objectives and a plan to achieve those objectives. You employ people and you have sources of funding and you manage them to achieve the objectives.
What are AR's objectives and how is he planning to achieve them?
We can assume that buying ER was one of them. So well done for that. Apart from that, the appointment of managers, the buying and selling of players and results? Not impressive. The badge fiasco was embarrassing. Season ticket prices still too high. A Q&A without an audience?
Sorry, but I had high hopes but now I'm resigned to more years without success. You're entitled to give the guy the benefit of the doubt but I think you will be disappointed.
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posted on 9/3/18
No they don't. Next!
posted on 9/3/18
Wrong next
posted on 9/3/18
We might not be in a great place right now but we should still be grateful to our new owner.
posted on 9/3/18
ok.
Where are the lifelong billionaire lufc supporters who don't care about frittering all their money away and have the experience to know what they are doing?
Why would an experienced businessperson who spent their life building profits choose to enter the one business that pretty much guarantees losses?
You're pretty much asking for a playboy and that is what we have had time and again - Bates was the one who tried to run it like a proper business and he did all the dodgy business deals and hid the money and didn't spend on the things that would have made us successful and treated fans as consumers. He made sure he was alright and got out at the exact time to leave the club in a bad state for someone else to pick up and for us to suffer.
I'm really not sure you know what you want, other than a geese that lays golden lufc eggs
posted on 9/3/18
Bates.....playboy?
posted on 9/3/18
Read Leslie Silvers Wiki Page
A war hero successful local businessman who wanted to give something back to his local community. A true gentlemen who took our club by the scruff of the neck and gave me my best memories since the Revie Years.
This was before owners on the make were thought of!
posted on 9/3/18
Different eta I’m afraid Eddie, but even he got loads of stick over Batty sale.
posted on 9/3/18
Even a Leeds fan who was an owner would need to have investors and that means making decisions based on return. Therefore can't run a football club of this size without selling their values at some point.
Just someone who understands the game or has someone running the day to day who understands the game.
The current set up stinks of following the wrong advice from the wrong people.
We need AR to learn from this season.
posted on 9/3/18
well at least we're not being over dramatic about it all
posted on 9/3/18
If I had a billion to play with, I'd still have second thoughts about taking on the club.
It wouldn't be to do with spending the money or losing money over time as most clubs do.
It would be the thought of all the bile and crap that would be thrown my way from our fans if anything went wrong for a while.
The way some of our fans treat the owners is downright disgraceful.
Some may have deserved it at the time, but there seems to be no grey area for many Leeds fans - you're either the second coming or Bates.
It's possible to be a good owner, but not have immediate success. Patience is required. There's a five-year plan for a reason.
I'm not saying that we should be quiet when we see something that's obviously wrong - we just need to not go down the path of alienating potentially the best owner we've had in decades.
posted on 9/3/18
You just explained Ridsdale
posted on 9/3/18
"There's a five-year plan for a reason."
Good to know. Can you share it with us please?
posted on 9/3/18
Like Dean Hoyle................
posted on 9/3/18
I wonder if his five year plan now still holds, and that this season was in that plan, as we see how this season as gone... I think we all remember something about being at least a top six contingent this season.
posted on 9/3/18
We need AR to learn from this season.
^ This
posted on 9/3/18
icub4me - as we both know, the mythical 5 year plan is a classic bit of bull to create the illusion that the owner has some objectives and the means to achieve these.
We should have learnt from the past to ignore owners' so called plans until they share them with us and demonstrate that progress is being made.
That is not the case here.
posted on 9/3/18
AR was pretty clear about the plan.
"Better than last season" this season, promotion in 2 years and who knows what for the next 3.
I'm going to be pretty clear with my plan too, I'm going to do better in the lottery this year and win it within 2 years.
I'm not going to tell anyone how I'm going to achieve it, but I want you all to buy shares in my company that is going to win the lottery.
posted on 9/3/18
comment by JackCharlton (U19203)
posted 2 hours, 53 minutes ago
"There's a five-year plan for a reason."
Good to know. Can you share it with us please?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Obviously none of us are party to the details, but in simple terms:
Our team is such a mess that it's going to take that long to turn it around.
posted on 9/3/18
43, see that HNC in Business studies you did in 1981 was worth it!!
posted on 9/3/18
comment by JackCharlton (U19203)
posted 41 minutes ago
icub4me - as we both know, the mythical 5 year plan is a classic bit of bull to create the illusion that the owner has some objectives and the means to achieve these.
We should have learnt from the past to ignore owners' so called plans until they share them with us and demonstrate that progress is being made.
That is not the case here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A poster that can see the future? Nice to know we have Nostradamus on these boards.
posted on 9/3/18
Lubo - I'm not claiming to see the future. But apparently AR has a plan.
If you can send a link, I will take it seriously.
posted on 9/3/18
Why would I know what the five year plan is? These sorts of thing aren't made public knowledge.
posted on 9/3/18
On the contrary. Most high street businesses publish their business plan with their accounts each year. AR's plan for Leeds is a mystery because either he doesn't have a plan or he is unwilling to share it with the supporters.
What concerns me is that some posters give the guy some credibility because he once mentioned a 5 year plan. Personally I share the view of others on this thread that AR has made a poor start to his ownership both on and off the pitch and I don't see any evidence that he will turn things round. But time will tell.
posted on 9/3/18
Or because he makes it public how much money we have to spend then teams are going to start charging more than they might have otherwise.
Running a football club is completely different to running a high street business.
posted on 9/3/18
On the contrary, running a sports club has the same principles as any commercial enterprise. You have a strategy, objectives and a plan to achieve those objectives. You employ people and you have sources of funding and you manage them to achieve the objectives.
What are AR's objectives and how is he planning to achieve them?
We can assume that buying ER was one of them. So well done for that. Apart from that, the appointment of managers, the buying and selling of players and results? Not impressive. The badge fiasco was embarrassing. Season ticket prices still too high. A Q&A without an audience?
Sorry, but I had high hopes but now I'm resigned to more years without success. You're entitled to give the guy the benefit of the doubt but I think you will be disappointed.
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