I’ve never said this before - but I completely agree with everything you’ve just said Nev

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Nev, I've been disagreeing with you about goalkeepers for as long as we've been on 606 forums together.

But guess what?

I'm not going to start agreeing now either.

That's not to say I don't think Kasper's in good form, because he isn't. Quite why this is, I can't say. World Cup? Transitional defence in front of him? Knowing that his chance of a big move is probably gone regardless? Some sort of personal issue? Just poor form that happens sometimes? Combination thereof? Couldn't say. But I'm confident saying that he's better than his performance this season because I've seen him across the previous five or so.

I do think now he needs some decent competition for his place, and if Jakupovic isn't going to provide it then we will need to go goalie hunting in the summer.

Thank you BS i'm sure others will even it up. Dung the issues of his decision making and command in the air has always been there and i hope we don't just get left with him because no one else will mean our defense will never get better as they will have to cover for his weekness's

Nev is right. Kaspers always had outrageous clangers in him. He’s been worse this season than I can remember but that doesn’t mean if he gets back to form he’s suddenly going to be able to command his area. He isn’t

The Leeds fans used to say the same thing about him in 2010 - poor decision making, costs goals as well as saving goals. That side isn’t going to get any better at his age

True, but it's a case of his positives outweighing his negatives as it is for most players.

As for clangers, there really aren't that many. He's not like Heurelho Gomes for instance, who would make some great saves but throw in a clanger almost every other match. Over the last two seasons he's been in fine form, and I recall a stat that said he made the least mistakes leading to goals of all keepers in the league in the year we won it.

As I say, I don't know what's up with him this year though. He had a slow start and just hasn't caught up.

A fairly reasonable Monday thread Nev.

I agree with most of what you say but not all.

I do think these next batch of games will decide Puel’s future, you are convinced he’s here for good but knowing how ruthless our owners are I feel he’s now auditioning to keep his job.

I hope he succeeds because I do prefer Evolution over Revolution and another change now could well take us into a spiral of descent both on and off the pitch.

Unless we got Rafa of course or Dyche, both could work wonders with our funds.

I swear TB's had an opinion transplant.

comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 7 minutes ago
I swear TB's had an opinion transplant.
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Please explain ?

All this agreeing with Nev and BS. I preferred it when you all wanted to kill each other.

I’ve always agreed with Nev in parts, just like now but there is just as much we don’t agree about.

comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
True, but it's a case of his positives outweighing his negatives as it is for most players.

As for clangers, there really aren't that many. He's not like Heurelho Gomes for instance, who would make some great saves but throw in a clanger almost every other match. Over the last two seasons he's been in fine form, and I recall a stat that said he made the least mistakes leading to goals of all keepers in the league in the year we won it.

As I say, I don't know what's up with him this year though. He had a slow start and just hasn't caught up.
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I don’t buy this whole ‘yeah the positives outweigh the negatives’ thing people raise about Kasper time and again.

It’s very easy to hide behind that because there’s no stats you can really point to that prove or disprove what you say. He had an excellent season as did all the team in the title winning season but was given outstanding ariel protection also. He didn’t need to command his box

Since that season, he’s simply been all over the place nearly every time a ball comes into the area. That’s been a problem since he was a kid. We don’t have the central defence to be covering it now

"It’s very easy to hide behind that because there’s no stats you can really point to that prove or disprove what you say."

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To be fair, could I not use essentially the same assessment of your and Nev's position? And surely pretty much every potential signing in the world as to be considered by considering whether the positive outweigh the negatives?

I think it's a case of the grass looking greener but we'd find ourselves complaining about some other goalkeeper in a different way. Like Zieler for instance, who came with decent credentials yet ultimately had all of Kasper's negatives but worse.

comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 2 minutes ago
"It’s very easy to hide behind that because there’s no stats you can really point to that prove or disprove what you say."

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To be fair, could I not use essentially the same assessment of your and Nev's position? And surely pretty much every potential signing in the world as to be considered by considering whether the positive outweigh the negatives?

I think it's a case of the grass looking greener but we'd find ourselves complaining about some other goalkeeper in a different way. Like Zieler for instance, who came with decent credentials yet ultimately had all of Kasper's negatives but worse.
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Not really Dunge no. What I said yesterday was backed up by stats posted by Foxy Boy. He’s worse than Mignolet and Hennessey right now, he’s right near the bottom of Sky’s GK performance index.

I’m not making a subjective stab at positives outweighing negatives - im telling you that he is costing us points based on expected saves, GK mistakes and shots against etc. Nick Pope is absolutely miles ahead of him

Zieler is irrelevant in the same way Musa is. They were bad signings. That’s no reason to not assess the GK position....

Just had a look at those stats. Interesting reading, but he is around about the middle, and that's in a poor season. (I wouldn't call 13th out of 21 right near the bottom.)

Incidentally, those stats don't make very good reading for English hopes in the World Cup...

comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
Just had a look at those stats. Interesting reading, but he is around about the middle, and that's in a poor season. (I wouldn't call 13th out of 21 right near the bottom.)

Incidentally, those stats don't make very good reading for English hopes in the World Cup...
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Are you sure he’s 13th? I’ll have another look sounded high to me.

Did you know his stats last season weren’t much more impressive? This poor season you talk about might extend beyond that.....

Either way, it’s time to look at other options if the club want to go anywhere other than Kaspers position in that goalkeeping table

Kasper's got his good and bad points, unfortunately the bad ones seem to be coming more to the fore at present.

Hopefully he'll recover some form but I don't expect any miraculous change to commanding his area, at his age, that aspect won't improve - always been pants, always will be pants.

Kaspers form is beginning to return to where it was pre great-escape run. The biggest single thing that transformed this form which carried on through the following season was Robert Huth.

Man... Kaspers form was due to Morgan and Huff wrestling with attackers during corners preventing them getting to the ball remove than and Kaspers weakness has been exposed again.
Dung me old mucker you walked straight in to my trap. Kasper has made the least mistakes leading up to a goal. Well thats him hoisted by his own petard if you stay on your line and don't come out you don't make mistakes just watch the ball wizz past you and yell at others.

Just for Dunge.

What a load of cobblers, the stats completely blow your assertion out the window.

Even this Season Kasper has something like the 3rd highest high ball takes of all the keepers.

You're saying that dropping a high ball is the only type of mistake a goalkeeper can make that leads to a goal?

comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 4 minutes ago
You're saying that dropping a high ball is the only type of mistake a goalkeeper can make that leads to a goal?
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Who you responding to?

Nev.

No Dung any commitment to come for the ball on the ground that can be said to be a mistake to lead to a goal. While kasper stands on his line a defender misses a header and the ball goes past the keeper

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Really TB
Even this Season Kasper has something like the 3rd highest high ball takes of all the keepers.
The Bournmouth took 10 at the kingpower in one match how many has Kasper taken all season?

From memory about 38

8th highest on saves

10th on clean sheets.

Not bad for a carp keeper having a carp season.

Although he did win is 3 points with that save against WBA.

How many more points won or saved over the Season by Kasper the Viking?