Did he not mention falling asleep for the first goal?
Him and Karius will be two of the worst players ever to grace a Champions League final.
Though Djimi Traore can sleep easy, his crown is still safe
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comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 3 minutes ago
Him and Karius will be two of the worst players ever to grace a Champions League final.
Though Djimi Traore can sleep easy, his crown is still safe
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I don't think there will be any player worse than Traore who even played the full game in the final. Lovren is a star comparing to Traore, Carson (played in QF), Josemi, Biscan, Nunez, Le Talle, Sinama Pongolle
Think a lot of our fans are very harsh on Lovren. Been better than Matip, and actually been quite good this season. Definitely a confidence player.
He's already cost us top four last season and this and now we're out of the CL too.
Get rid!
comment by EL-TORO (U13505)
posted 12 minutes ago
Think a lot of our fans are very harsh on Lovren. Been better than Matip, and actually been quite good this season. Definitely a confidence player.
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Whilst I agree to an extent, it’s arguably not enough to be very good most of the time. Lovren is prone to mistakes. Just the way it is. And whilst all defenders make mistakes from time to time, he does seem to make more than his fair share.
So whilst I don’t think he’s the disaster/liability some seem to, I would like to see him replaced with a more consistent performer.
We need to sell all our scapegoats to bring in a fresh batch of scapegoats.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 21 minutes ago
We need to sell all our scapegoats to bring in a fresh batch of scapegoats.
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I know you’re taking the p but the general aim of a club is to improve the team year on year. Generally speaking the scapegoats (primarily Karius and Lovren) are probably the weakest in our first 11. So yeah, wouldn’t mind us replacing the scapegoats actually. As long as it’s an upgrade.
IMO Lovern has only been better than Matip due to Matip getting injured all the time and has struggled to get a run of games.
Lovern has cost us more points/goals than any outfield player in recent history.
Defo need another CB this summer.. Just say Salah didn't play the other night and say we were 1/2/3 up, then it could be a very different game next week
Going forward we need better than Lovren but think people go way over the top with him. He's largely been faultless and played very good since the clamaity against spurs way back in October. He was immense against both City and Roma and think it's a little harsh to blame the goal on him as the pass was excellent.
He makes alot of.mistakea even in game where he has 'playwd well's they just have punished the mistakes therefore people think he had a good game when really it was average
I'm not saying that the likes of Lovren and Karius need to be improved upon, but we can't go over the top when they make a mistake. They are two very good squad players, and you need those to win the league. To be honest, both have been very good the last couple of months.
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comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by EL-TORO (U13505)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
Think a lot of our fans are very harsh on Lovren. Been better than Matip, and actually been quite good this season. Definitely a confidence player.
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He's only been better as he's played alongside VvD more. I think if Matip had been fit, he would improved as he would have been alongside quality.
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Fair point. Having a CB of VVD’s quality would help any player.
Two years of injury niggles for Matip now. Nothing serious but very stop-start. Stating the obvious perhaps but he needs an injury free year.
Last season Matip absences were more political to do with him not wanting to play for Cameroon.
Lovren gets injured alot aswell, has never played more than 6 games in a row
or he averages an injury every 6 games, something like that
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posted on 26/4/18
Did he not mention falling asleep for the first goal?
posted on 26/4/18
Him and Karius will be two of the worst players ever to grace a Champions League final.
Though Djimi Traore can sleep easy, his crown is still safe
posted on 26/4/18
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 26/4/18
comment by RonaldVilliers (U21490)
posted 3 minutes ago
Him and Karius will be two of the worst players ever to grace a Champions League final.
Though Djimi Traore can sleep easy, his crown is still safe
__________________________________
I don't think there will be any player worse than Traore who even played the full game in the final. Lovren is a star comparing to Traore, Carson (played in QF), Josemi, Biscan, Nunez, Le Talle, Sinama Pongolle
posted on 26/4/18
Think a lot of our fans are very harsh on Lovren. Been better than Matip, and actually been quite good this season. Definitely a confidence player.
posted on 26/4/18
He's already cost us top four last season and this and now we're out of the CL too.
Get rid!
posted on 26/4/18
comment by EL-TORO (U13505)
posted 12 minutes ago
Think a lot of our fans are very harsh on Lovren. Been better than Matip, and actually been quite good this season. Definitely a confidence player.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whilst I agree to an extent, it’s arguably not enough to be very good most of the time. Lovren is prone to mistakes. Just the way it is. And whilst all defenders make mistakes from time to time, he does seem to make more than his fair share.
So whilst I don’t think he’s the disaster/liability some seem to, I would like to see him replaced with a more consistent performer.
posted on 26/4/18
We need to sell all our scapegoats to bring in a fresh batch of scapegoats.
posted on 26/4/18
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 21 minutes ago
We need to sell all our scapegoats to bring in a fresh batch of scapegoats.
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I know you’re taking the p but the general aim of a club is to improve the team year on year. Generally speaking the scapegoats (primarily Karius and Lovren) are probably the weakest in our first 11. So yeah, wouldn’t mind us replacing the scapegoats actually. As long as it’s an upgrade.
posted on 26/4/18
IMO Lovern has only been better than Matip due to Matip getting injured all the time and has struggled to get a run of games.
Lovern has cost us more points/goals than any outfield player in recent history.
Defo need another CB this summer.. Just say Salah didn't play the other night and say we were 1/2/3 up, then it could be a very different game next week
posted on 26/4/18
Going forward we need better than Lovren but think people go way over the top with him. He's largely been faultless and played very good since the clamaity against spurs way back in October. He was immense against both City and Roma and think it's a little harsh to blame the goal on him as the pass was excellent.
posted on 26/4/18
He makes alot of.mistakea even in game where he has 'playwd well's they just have punished the mistakes therefore people think he had a good game when really it was average
posted on 26/4/18
I'm not saying that the likes of Lovren and Karius need to be improved upon, but we can't go over the top when they make a mistake. They are two very good squad players, and you need those to win the league. To be honest, both have been very good the last couple of months.
posted on 26/4/18
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posted on 26/4/18
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by EL-TORO (U13505)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
Think a lot of our fans are very harsh on Lovren. Been better than Matip, and actually been quite good this season. Definitely a confidence player.
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He's only been better as he's played alongside VvD more. I think if Matip had been fit, he would improved as he would have been alongside quality.
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Fair point. Having a CB of VVD’s quality would help any player.
Two years of injury niggles for Matip now. Nothing serious but very stop-start. Stating the obvious perhaps but he needs an injury free year.
posted on 26/4/18
Last season Matip absences were more political to do with him not wanting to play for Cameroon.
posted on 26/4/18
Lovren gets injured alot aswell, has never played more than 6 games in a row
posted on 26/4/18
or he averages an injury every 6 games, something like that
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