Not sure you'll find many defending him hairy. I'm still hoping he'd do something reasonable if given time and resources. Will he get that though?
The counter argument though is that you have to give him time?
Has he just been taking the safety period to sound out the squad, see their mettle and what they're made of?
Anyone from the Continent insists we should give him more time and it'll come good,I understand he's had impressive results when given time.
He's shown he can get us playing really well for some considerable time until we effectively achieved safety then he experimented with the squad.
Of course this has all resulted in turgid football, missing out on European Football and probably cost us some really important Players who will now look to move away and attracting new players will be that much harder we'll just end up with mercenaries after their pot of gold.
Add in the spiral in form, lack of confidence and Club disunity for a long period to the end of a Season bodes poorly for the next Season.
Oh, which way to go?
His football may work on the continent but it’s not suitable for the PL - it’s horribly outdated. The slow sideways passing has never gathered any momentum in England where physicality, pace and winning the ball back are key.
Teams should be looking at Man City and Liverpool as a template on how to play the game - not Lazio.
He’s killing the club, we have no identity and his needless turgid football has cost us 7th place. Worse than that it’s bred a toxic atmosphere at the ground and left the owners in a total mess
If he stays we are down. If he goes, we are still up against it next season - such is the damage that’s been done
I’ve got three words to describe our club now:
Broken
Lost
Toxic
I think we’re screwed. I think whoever is in charge next year it may be too late, we’re broken. After Ranieri we needed a strong manager to come in and stamp his new personality on the team.
Pearson built us, Ranieri made us, but we needed someone to change us.
The owners thought we’d made it, but success takes years to build and seconds to destroy. And right now their choice of manager to take us to our new era has backfired. Their first mistake since the sacking of Sven.
But we now have a set of players that have got above their station, a manager out of control, and owners with advisors that are more clueless about football than Peter Taylor.
It’s bad. Our title win was the greatest thing to ever happen to our club but it’s also been the downfall of us. Our owners now have the toughest task possible - find a manager who can rebuild a whole club in a summer.
I think whether Puel stays or not, that task is too big and we’re down next year.
Am I just being too negative?
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 1 minute ago
I’ve got three words to describe our club now:
Broken
Lost
Toxic
I think we’re screwed. I think whoever is in charge next year it may be too late, we’re broken. After Ranieri we needed a strong manager to come in and stamp his new personality on the team.
Pearson built us, Ranieri made us, but we needed someone to change us.
The owners thought we’d made it, but success takes years to build and seconds to destroy. And right now their choice of manager to take us to our new era has backfired. Their first mistake since the sacking of Sven.
But we now have a set of players that have got above their station, a manager out of control, and owners with advisors that are more clueless about football than Peter Taylor.
It’s bad. Our title win was the greatest thing to ever happen to our club but it’s also been the downfall of us. Our owners now have the toughest task possible - find a manager who can rebuild a whole club in a summer.
I think whether Puel stays or not, that task is too big and we’re down next year.
Am I just being too negative?
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Nope you’re spot on and I was getting vilified for saying this both last season and for much of this season. Even when things were good I knew deep down there were much bigger problems at the club and they are all coming home to roost
I take no pleasure in saying that - it makes me really depressed. But our owners are taking us into the championship, no question.
I think both of you (BS and Mersey) are being too negative about next season. Goals keep you up and we should keep Vardy. We still have some good players.
However, I honestly believe that if we stick with Puel then next season will be another write-off as they'll have to sack him in October. So I want him out after next week, then let someone else have a transfer window and prepare the new season, much like Ranieri did.
I agree BS, but I hope they have the patience and support to bring us back. Their next Pearson is out there.
They need to find him and fast.
And for the record, I don’t think it’s pearson!!! That ship has long sailed.
I hope you’re right Dunge, but it feels little Rome is crumbling to me.
I think you’re ignoring the much deeper problems at the club Dunge with all due respect. This goes well beyond Puel, it’s from the DoF down - Leicester are a mess footballing wise. There’s only so long Vardy can keep bailing us out and when Mahrez goes it will be much harder for him to do
I still see a lot of good about the club. Wealthy owners willing to put their money where their mouth is across the board, still some fine players for this league including one of the best strikers in it. I'd agree there could be a relegation battle if we make the wrong appointment like Southampton did with Pellegrini, but I also see the potential for continued improvement with the right manager, and another shot at Europa League qualification.
I can see why you'd be worried about the owners making decisions that are not informed enough, but they have also got some things very right as well.
Funnily enough, does anyone else now think the probability of having a third tenure of Nigel Pearson is now non-zero...? (Sorry Nev)
I'm with Dunge here, it'll be a critical Summer with players but if Puel hadn't of experimented for the second half of the Season we'd have been challenging for 6th, our squad is that good when played the right way.
We'll lose a couple now probably but no one ( Vardy apart ) is critical to the Team.
Interesting that Everton fans have exactly the same arguments, from the outside we’re both nuts after finishing top half.
At least they’re still going strong and won’t finish the Season in despair.
I'm still hopeful Claude could take us forward. Not sure he'll be given that opportunity though.
I just can’t agree there Dunge. As brilliant as the owners have been for the club investment wise, things worked on the footballing side when they listened to the right people
For example they leaned heavily on the advice of Andrew Neville when re-appointing Pearson. They didn’t know him. They had never met him before but were aware of what he had begun to put in place at the club before their arrival.
They leaned heavily on Sir Dave Richards to navigate FFP and in my view things started to unravel once they stopped taking advice from these people and started to trust their own judgment. Jon Rudkin inexplicably being given the DoF job is a fine example. It’s had and continues to have a detrimental effect
The Pearson appointment brought with it Walsh and Dhakespeare and almost everything else. The Claudio appointment (again their own decision) was a huge gamble - and one that paid off brilliantly, rather than a shrewd choice. There were few candidates available and O’Neill was the preferred option before he ruled himself out
No one could have imagined what would follow but much of it is owed to that first re-appointment of Pearson where they leaned on advice from someone who knew the club well.
We have now lost everyone who made that title win possible (key senior staff) and the decision making has started to suffer badly. A once proud recruitment record is being littered with expensive flops. Rudkin blames Macia (allegedly), but the huge money wasted on the likes of Musa, Slimani and Ian stems from the wrong appointments by the owners at senior levels. It stems from not listening to external advice or even the right internal advice.
Then there’s the Shakespeare episode which leads us to Puel. An appointment driven by a false belief that we should change our style completely, like Palace under DeBoer, and become a continental powerhouse of European football.
They don’t get it Dunge. The good decisions they have made are largely down to listening to others. Not Rudkin. Time will I’m afraid prove myself and Mersey right on this one
I think the big question they (the owners) have to answer is that of style of football. I can see why they appointed Puel, and there are certain boxes he ticks that I entirely agree with. I can see that they're trying to put together a top-to-bottom structure within the club that would, if successful, have us challenging higher up the table. They recognise that that is needed to stop us turning into a Southampton, who are constantly getting their best players taken from them. So I believe we have the same kind of vision that way.
What they need to ask themselves is whether possession-based football is the way to do that, and the evidence from Puel suggests that maybe it isn't. Not so much from what's happening on the field as what's happening in the stands and the lukewarm reception at best that Puel and his brand have had. God forgive me but I'm finding myself agreeing with Arro that having a fast-paced, direct style of football gives us an identity that is exciting for fans and not seen enough for opponents to deal with comfortably.
You don't believe that they can or will realise all this. I still have faith that they will, although granted that faith may be shaken depending on their next appointment. (Assuming there is one and it comes soon.)
Wow such a convincing almost unanimous opinion.
Did anyone else notice MON at the match !!!
Sadly his presence would also be too late.
Dear owners please give us our belief back.
You're interested in Wagner. If he keeps us up, you can have him I'll probably be in the minority saying that, but you're welcome to him.
comment by hydywirralterrier (U3097)
posted 6 minutes ago
You're interested in Wagner. If he keeps us up, you can have himI'll probably be in the minority saying that, but you're welcome to him.
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Surprised by this. Hasn’t he done an unbelievable job at Huddersfield if he keeps you up?
Yes and no. He's been a breath of fresh air, but he doesn't seem to learn or have plan B. We could have been well clear by now, but his late substitutions and dire tactics, means we have two games to save us.
Granted, that's a great situation to be in for " little Huddersfield", but it's been a frustrating season, mainly of our own doing.
comment by hydywirralterrier (U3097)
posted 30 minutes ago
You're interested in Wagner. If he keeps us up, you can have himI'll probably be in the minority saying that, but you're welcome to him.
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On the verge of two miraculous seasons out of two and you're wanting him out...give your head a wobble Hydy. Our football might not be pretty at times and we've struggled in attack, but come on. Most had us to be down before the Christmas decorations and yet here we are, 2 games to go and looking good for survival and another £100M in the bank.
Be careful what you wish for.
I’m stunned by that - however other fans were shocked when we got rid of Ranieri and to me it was a necessary thing to do. I guess not being close to a club, looking from the outside, you only get half the picture.
I would welcome Wagner but not if he’s tactically hopeless. Marco Silva would be my preferred option
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 9 hours, 14 minutes ago
I think the big question they (the owners) have to answer is that of style of football. I can see why they appointed Puel, and there are certain boxes he ticks that I entirely agree with. I can see that they're trying to put together a top-to-bottom structure within the club that would, if successful, have us challenging higher up the table. They recognise that that is needed to stop us turning into a Southampton, who are constantly getting their best players taken from them. So I believe we have the same kind of vision that way.
What they need to ask themselves is whether possession-based football is the way to do that, and the evidence from Puel suggests that maybe it isn't. Not so much from what's happening on the field as what's happening in the stands and the lukewarm reception at best that Puel and his brand have had. God forgive me but I'm finding myself agreeing with Arro that having a fast-paced, direct style of football gives us an identity that is exciting for fans and not seen enough for opponents to deal with comfortably.
You don't believe that they can or will realise all this. I still have faith that they will, although granted that faith may be shaken depending on their next appointment. (Assuming there is one and it comes soon.)
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Good points there Dunge. No doubting the owners ambitions or intentions, which are logical, but that’s only half the battle. I seriously doubt they have the tools to implement this vision on their own and I believe recent decisions show that to be the case.
Interesting that you mention Southampton - they have followed a similar path in terms of style of football. Granted they sold their best players, but the turgid slow paced possession football, outdated in the PL, is what started them on their path. Playing that way in the premier league gets you caught in no mans land, you’re neither one or the other
The biggest failings of the owners for me come down to that. As arro says, why abandon the very thing that made you successful in pursuit of a continental Frank DeBoer style of football that’s never taken hold in this country?
Id still prefer raffa
We can afford him and should have £200 m for transfers esp with mahrez going,
But he'll probably go to arsenal
Rafa wouldn’t touch us with a barge pole.
Who's going to want to come to manage this bag of frogs. DoF out of his depth and aging squad who will hang on for grim death. and knowing even if you win the premier league you will get fired the next season.
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posted on 6/5/18
Not sure you'll find many defending him hairy. I'm still hoping he'd do something reasonable if given time and resources. Will he get that though?
posted on 6/5/18
The counter argument though is that you have to give him time?
Has he just been taking the safety period to sound out the squad, see their mettle and what they're made of?
Anyone from the Continent insists we should give him more time and it'll come good,I understand he's had impressive results when given time.
He's shown he can get us playing really well for some considerable time until we effectively achieved safety then he experimented with the squad.
Of course this has all resulted in turgid football, missing out on European Football and probably cost us some really important Players who will now look to move away and attracting new players will be that much harder we'll just end up with mercenaries after their pot of gold.
Add in the spiral in form, lack of confidence and Club disunity for a long period to the end of a Season bodes poorly for the next Season.
Oh, which way to go?
posted on 6/5/18
His football may work on the continent but it’s not suitable for the PL - it’s horribly outdated. The slow sideways passing has never gathered any momentum in England where physicality, pace and winning the ball back are key.
Teams should be looking at Man City and Liverpool as a template on how to play the game - not Lazio.
He’s killing the club, we have no identity and his needless turgid football has cost us 7th place. Worse than that it’s bred a toxic atmosphere at the ground and left the owners in a total mess
If he stays we are down. If he goes, we are still up against it next season - such is the damage that’s been done
posted on 6/5/18
I’ve got three words to describe our club now:
Broken
Lost
Toxic
I think we’re screwed. I think whoever is in charge next year it may be too late, we’re broken. After Ranieri we needed a strong manager to come in and stamp his new personality on the team.
Pearson built us, Ranieri made us, but we needed someone to change us.
The owners thought we’d made it, but success takes years to build and seconds to destroy. And right now their choice of manager to take us to our new era has backfired. Their first mistake since the sacking of Sven.
But we now have a set of players that have got above their station, a manager out of control, and owners with advisors that are more clueless about football than Peter Taylor.
It’s bad. Our title win was the greatest thing to ever happen to our club but it’s also been the downfall of us. Our owners now have the toughest task possible - find a manager who can rebuild a whole club in a summer.
I think whether Puel stays or not, that task is too big and we’re down next year.
Am I just being too negative?
posted on 6/5/18
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 1 minute ago
I’ve got three words to describe our club now:
Broken
Lost
Toxic
I think we’re screwed. I think whoever is in charge next year it may be too late, we’re broken. After Ranieri we needed a strong manager to come in and stamp his new personality on the team.
Pearson built us, Ranieri made us, but we needed someone to change us.
The owners thought we’d made it, but success takes years to build and seconds to destroy. And right now their choice of manager to take us to our new era has backfired. Their first mistake since the sacking of Sven.
But we now have a set of players that have got above their station, a manager out of control, and owners with advisors that are more clueless about football than Peter Taylor.
It’s bad. Our title win was the greatest thing to ever happen to our club but it’s also been the downfall of us. Our owners now have the toughest task possible - find a manager who can rebuild a whole club in a summer.
I think whether Puel stays or not, that task is too big and we’re down next year.
Am I just being too negative?
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Nope you’re spot on and I was getting vilified for saying this both last season and for much of this season. Even when things were good I knew deep down there were much bigger problems at the club and they are all coming home to roost
I take no pleasure in saying that - it makes me really depressed. But our owners are taking us into the championship, no question.
posted on 6/5/18
I think both of you (BS and Mersey) are being too negative about next season. Goals keep you up and we should keep Vardy. We still have some good players.
However, I honestly believe that if we stick with Puel then next season will be another write-off as they'll have to sack him in October. So I want him out after next week, then let someone else have a transfer window and prepare the new season, much like Ranieri did.
posted on 6/5/18
I agree BS, but I hope they have the patience and support to bring us back. Their next Pearson is out there.
They need to find him and fast.
And for the record, I don’t think it’s pearson!!! That ship has long sailed.
posted on 6/5/18
I hope you’re right Dunge, but it feels little Rome is crumbling to me.
posted on 6/5/18
I think you’re ignoring the much deeper problems at the club Dunge with all due respect. This goes well beyond Puel, it’s from the DoF down - Leicester are a mess footballing wise. There’s only so long Vardy can keep bailing us out and when Mahrez goes it will be much harder for him to do
posted on 6/5/18
I still see a lot of good about the club. Wealthy owners willing to put their money where their mouth is across the board, still some fine players for this league including one of the best strikers in it. I'd agree there could be a relegation battle if we make the wrong appointment like Southampton did with Pellegrini, but I also see the potential for continued improvement with the right manager, and another shot at Europa League qualification.
I can see why you'd be worried about the owners making decisions that are not informed enough, but they have also got some things very right as well.
Funnily enough, does anyone else now think the probability of having a third tenure of Nigel Pearson is now non-zero...? (Sorry Nev)
posted on 6/5/18
I'm with Dunge here, it'll be a critical Summer with players but if Puel hadn't of experimented for the second half of the Season we'd have been challenging for 6th, our squad is that good when played the right way.
We'll lose a couple now probably but no one ( Vardy apart ) is critical to the Team.
posted on 6/5/18
Interesting that Everton fans have exactly the same arguments, from the outside we’re both nuts after finishing top half.
At least they’re still going strong and won’t finish the Season in despair.
posted on 6/5/18
I'm still hopeful Claude could take us forward. Not sure he'll be given that opportunity though.
posted on 6/5/18
I just can’t agree there Dunge. As brilliant as the owners have been for the club investment wise, things worked on the footballing side when they listened to the right people
For example they leaned heavily on the advice of Andrew Neville when re-appointing Pearson. They didn’t know him. They had never met him before but were aware of what he had begun to put in place at the club before their arrival.
They leaned heavily on Sir Dave Richards to navigate FFP and in my view things started to unravel once they stopped taking advice from these people and started to trust their own judgment. Jon Rudkin inexplicably being given the DoF job is a fine example. It’s had and continues to have a detrimental effect
The Pearson appointment brought with it Walsh and Dhakespeare and almost everything else. The Claudio appointment (again their own decision) was a huge gamble - and one that paid off brilliantly, rather than a shrewd choice. There were few candidates available and O’Neill was the preferred option before he ruled himself out
No one could have imagined what would follow but much of it is owed to that first re-appointment of Pearson where they leaned on advice from someone who knew the club well.
We have now lost everyone who made that title win possible (key senior staff) and the decision making has started to suffer badly. A once proud recruitment record is being littered with expensive flops. Rudkin blames Macia (allegedly), but the huge money wasted on the likes of Musa, Slimani and Ian stems from the wrong appointments by the owners at senior levels. It stems from not listening to external advice or even the right internal advice.
Then there’s the Shakespeare episode which leads us to Puel. An appointment driven by a false belief that we should change our style completely, like Palace under DeBoer, and become a continental powerhouse of European football.
They don’t get it Dunge. The good decisions they have made are largely down to listening to others. Not Rudkin. Time will I’m afraid prove myself and Mersey right on this one
posted on 7/5/18
I think the big question they (the owners) have to answer is that of style of football. I can see why they appointed Puel, and there are certain boxes he ticks that I entirely agree with. I can see that they're trying to put together a top-to-bottom structure within the club that would, if successful, have us challenging higher up the table. They recognise that that is needed to stop us turning into a Southampton, who are constantly getting their best players taken from them. So I believe we have the same kind of vision that way.
What they need to ask themselves is whether possession-based football is the way to do that, and the evidence from Puel suggests that maybe it isn't. Not so much from what's happening on the field as what's happening in the stands and the lukewarm reception at best that Puel and his brand have had. God forgive me but I'm finding myself agreeing with Arro that having a fast-paced, direct style of football gives us an identity that is exciting for fans and not seen enough for opponents to deal with comfortably.
You don't believe that they can or will realise all this. I still have faith that they will, although granted that faith may be shaken depending on their next appointment. (Assuming there is one and it comes soon.)
posted on 7/5/18
Wow such a convincing almost unanimous opinion.
Did anyone else notice MON at the match !!!
Sadly his presence would also be too late.
Dear owners please give us our belief back.
posted on 7/5/18
You're interested in Wagner. If he keeps us up, you can have him I'll probably be in the minority saying that, but you're welcome to him.
posted on 7/5/18
comment by hydywirralterrier (U3097)
posted 6 minutes ago
You're interested in Wagner. If he keeps us up, you can have himI'll probably be in the minority saying that, but you're welcome to him.
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Surprised by this. Hasn’t he done an unbelievable job at Huddersfield if he keeps you up?
posted on 7/5/18
Yes and no. He's been a breath of fresh air, but he doesn't seem to learn or have plan B. We could have been well clear by now, but his late substitutions and dire tactics, means we have two games to save us.
Granted, that's a great situation to be in for " little Huddersfield", but it's been a frustrating season, mainly of our own doing.
posted on 7/5/18
comment by hydywirralterrier (U3097)
posted 30 minutes ago
You're interested in Wagner. If he keeps us up, you can have himI'll probably be in the minority saying that, but you're welcome to him.
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On the verge of two miraculous seasons out of two and you're wanting him out...give your head a wobble Hydy. Our football might not be pretty at times and we've struggled in attack, but come on. Most had us to be down before the Christmas decorations and yet here we are, 2 games to go and looking good for survival and another £100M in the bank.
Be careful what you wish for.
posted on 7/5/18
I’m stunned by that - however other fans were shocked when we got rid of Ranieri and to me it was a necessary thing to do. I guess not being close to a club, looking from the outside, you only get half the picture.
I would welcome Wagner but not if he’s tactically hopeless. Marco Silva would be my preferred option
posted on 7/5/18
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 9 hours, 14 minutes ago
I think the big question they (the owners) have to answer is that of style of football. I can see why they appointed Puel, and there are certain boxes he ticks that I entirely agree with. I can see that they're trying to put together a top-to-bottom structure within the club that would, if successful, have us challenging higher up the table. They recognise that that is needed to stop us turning into a Southampton, who are constantly getting their best players taken from them. So I believe we have the same kind of vision that way.
What they need to ask themselves is whether possession-based football is the way to do that, and the evidence from Puel suggests that maybe it isn't. Not so much from what's happening on the field as what's happening in the stands and the lukewarm reception at best that Puel and his brand have had. God forgive me but I'm finding myself agreeing with Arro that having a fast-paced, direct style of football gives us an identity that is exciting for fans and not seen enough for opponents to deal with comfortably.
You don't believe that they can or will realise all this. I still have faith that they will, although granted that faith may be shaken depending on their next appointment. (Assuming there is one and it comes soon.)
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Good points there Dunge. No doubting the owners ambitions or intentions, which are logical, but that’s only half the battle. I seriously doubt they have the tools to implement this vision on their own and I believe recent decisions show that to be the case.
Interesting that you mention Southampton - they have followed a similar path in terms of style of football. Granted they sold their best players, but the turgid slow paced possession football, outdated in the PL, is what started them on their path. Playing that way in the premier league gets you caught in no mans land, you’re neither one or the other
The biggest failings of the owners for me come down to that. As arro says, why abandon the very thing that made you successful in pursuit of a continental Frank DeBoer style of football that’s never taken hold in this country?
posted on 7/5/18
Id still prefer raffa
We can afford him and should have £200 m for transfers esp with mahrez going,
But he'll probably go to arsenal
posted on 7/5/18
Rafa wouldn’t touch us with a barge pole.
posted on 7/5/18
Who's going to want to come to manage this bag of frogs. DoF out of his depth and aging squad who will hang on for grim death. and knowing even if you win the premier league you will get fired the next season.
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