comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 6 minutes ago
"Real Madrid are infinitely better than anything Liverpool have faced in the CL this season"
They really aren't, luck was on their side versus both Juve and Bayern. Their form in La Liga has seriously deteriorated and their best players are pretty far off their form the past 2 years.
They have experience and confidence on their side, but Liverpool have many attributes to hurt them.
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Much luckier against Bayern than against Juve, to be fair.
What's overlooked in both cases is that we beat both sides on their own patch, extremely clearly by all accounts in Juve's case.
In Bayern's case, they played by far the better football, but it's also interesting to note that they were unable to hold onto a lead in both matches.
Against both sides though, we had the mental edge of having beaten them both last year.
We haven't faced Liverpool under Klopp, so we won't have that on them going into the final.
comment by United_kaz (U9943)
posted 17 minutes ago
Better than City?
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I think so, especially in this competition, yes they have had a few iffy games as have liverpool, but have turned it on when they've needed it, I think they knew a long time ago the league was gone to barce and the league performances showed that
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Maybe their experience is better but they're not a better team. Especially not defensively. We're better than them defensively.
Madrid will be favorites and rightly so.
They've been there and done it. Won the last 2 CLs. They have World Cups winners in their team, European Championship winners. These players are used to playing on the biggest stage and the biggest games.
And then of course they have Ronaldo, who's been on sensational goal scoring form since the turn of the year.
And yet I think we have a chance because Madrid can be got at. Munich proved it and Real Madrid really rode their luck.
Our attack is quick, skillful and direct. We're a goal threat and that gives us a genuine shot at this.
My personal opinion; I saw how nervous some of our players looked in the semi and I just think that Real Madrid might be a bit too canny and a bit too experienced so I'd give them the edge. That said, I go into the game genuinely believing we have a good chance.
Maybe their experience is better but they're not a better team. Especially not defensively. We're better than them defensively
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are you comparing your defence to city or madrids?
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I'm gonna say Madrid.
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well if that's the case then its not really needing a response
If Madrid do win, I hope Ronaldo scores the winner. He deserves it
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
I think Pool will win, and that's fine with me. If they do they will deserve the plaudits. And one good thing about football is that there is always next season.
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What about next season? I hope you are not insinuating we have a chance to win the champs league with the boring one in charge
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
If Madrid do win, I hope Ronaldo scores the winner. He deserves it
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It would also wind so many people up.
I still cringe at the memory of his shirt-off celebration of his 120th-minute penalty to make it 4-1 against Atlético in 2014.
Haha yeah, he loves the limelight. I guess from his perspective he has dedicated his life to that moment, more so than any other professional.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 6 minutes ago
If Madrid do win, I hope Ronaldo scores the winner. He deserves it
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Yeah, when will that boy finally get the recognition he deserves.
What he really deserves is a bit more glory. Aside from being lauded as one of the greatest players ever and winning a eye-watering number of prestigious awards, he's really been starved of glory.
comment by Can Solo (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 6 minutes ago
If Madrid do win, I hope Ronaldo scores the winner. He deserves it
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Yeah, when will that boy finally get the recognition he deserves.
What he really deserves is a bit more glory. Aside from being lauded as one of the greatest players ever and winning a eye-watering number of prestigious awards, he's really been starved of glory.
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Glad you agree.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
Haha yeah, he loves the limelight. I guess from his perspective he has dedicated his life to that moment, more so than any other professional.
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Can't deny that.
If he scores, it'll leave him just one shy of Di Stefano's record of scoring in 5 finals (albeit Di Stefano did it consecutively! )
comment by United_kaz (U9943)
posted 28 minutes ago
Maybe their experience is better but they're not a better team. Especially not defensively. We're better than them defensively
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are you comparing your defence to city or madrids?
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Real’s. They’ve conceded more than us.
I'm having heart failure.
Not long home from Madrid was in the airport this morning over there surrounded by them heading off to Kiev
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
I'm having heart failure.
Not long home from Madrid was in the airport this morning over there surrounded by them heading off to Kiev
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Couldn't you have crept into one of their bags?
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
I'm having heart failure.
Not long home from Madrid was in the airport this morning over there surrounded by them heading off to Kiev
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Couldn't you have crept into one of their bags?
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I would not have minded inspecting the contents of some of the female fans under garments
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 19 minutes ago
Haha yeah, he loves the limelight. I guess from his perspective he has dedicated his life to that moment, more so than any other professional.
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why 'more so than any other professional' ?!
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by United_kaz (U9943)
posted 28 minutes ago
Maybe their experience is better but they're not a better team. Especially not defensively. We're better than them defensively
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are you comparing your defence to city or madrids?
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Real’s. They’ve conceded more than us.
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By the way I was referring to City in the first part of my comment, they are a better team than Real.
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by United_kaz (U9943)
posted 28 minutes ago
Maybe their experience is better but they're not a better team. Especially not defensively. We're better than them defensively
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are you comparing your defence to city or madrids?
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Real’s. They’ve conceded more than us.
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In fairness they've played PSG, Juve and Bayern in the knock out rounds though where as you've played Porto, Roma n City.
Liverpool have conceded 5 to Sevilla and 6 to Roma over two games. That won't be good enough versus Madrid. They'll have to defend much much better as this is the first genuine top European team you've faced all season. City aren't quite there in the CL for whatever reason despite the PL form.
Everything points to a Madrid win which is why I think Liverpool will win.
Madrid have that big game winning mentality and always seem to win no matter what league form they have.
I hope we don’t give them respect and attack and press them as they are not used to that. Bayern missed a hat full of chances I hope we convert ours.
Heart is pumping today can’t wait for tomorrow
If it doesn’t happen, I bet the first article after the game has the title;
“Jurgen klopp...”
comment by United_kaz (U9943)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
Maybe their experience is better but they're not a better team. Especially not defensively. We're better than them defensively
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are you comparing your defence to city or madrids?
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Easily comparable to either.
Our defence was better than City's for the last 29 games of a 38 game premier league season.
And in terms of clean sheets, City had 18, we had 17.
We also conceded less goals than Madrid, in a much more competitive league.
So not that much of a stretch to be fair.
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by United_kaz (U9943)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
Maybe their experience is better but they're not a better team. Especially not defensively. We're better than them defensively
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are you comparing your defence to city or madrids?
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Easily comparable to either.
Our defence was better than City's for the last 29 games of a 38 game premier league season.
And in terms of clean sheets, City had 18, we had 17.
We also conceded less goals than Madrid, in a much more competitive league.
So not that much of a stretch to be fair.
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From the time that VVD joined us Liverpool has the BEST defensive record in the league and Karius (with 0.7) has the best goals conceded/game ratio in the league
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 4 hours, 36 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 29 seconds ago
Things like retaining the CL in its current format just didn't happen until last season either.
As I see it the final could go either way. Both sides hold clear advantages over the other in certain areas. Personally, I find it impossible to predict which of those aspects will eventually tip the scales.
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I think it'll be 3-1 Madrid but with us dominating a chunk of the game. They just have so many players that have been there and done it, that know how to win, that I think it will be enough for them. I think that the one thing we can guarantee is goals.
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We're still essentially the same side that struggled against Klopp's Dortmund sides.
We're obviously more experienced now, but we always had trouble adapting to their game and pace, and our key players are undeniably ageing.
On pure footballing terms you'v got the upper hand, imo. We have experience and individual quality.
All in all, it seems finely balanced although, somewhat ironically, you still can't discount either side blowing the other way depending on how heavily each of the factors at play weigh come the night.
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fair point IOAG
but Liverpool are not as good as that Dortmund team imo..not even close ..esp in the critical midfield dept
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posted on 25/5/18
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 6 minutes ago
"Real Madrid are infinitely better than anything Liverpool have faced in the CL this season"
They really aren't, luck was on their side versus both Juve and Bayern. Their form in La Liga has seriously deteriorated and their best players are pretty far off their form the past 2 years.
They have experience and confidence on their side, but Liverpool have many attributes to hurt them.
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Much luckier against Bayern than against Juve, to be fair.
What's overlooked in both cases is that we beat both sides on their own patch, extremely clearly by all accounts in Juve's case.
In Bayern's case, they played by far the better football, but it's also interesting to note that they were unable to hold onto a lead in both matches.
Against both sides though, we had the mental edge of having beaten them both last year.
We haven't faced Liverpool under Klopp, so we won't have that on them going into the final.
posted on 25/5/18
comment by United_kaz (U9943)
posted 17 minutes ago
Better than City?
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I think so, especially in this competition, yes they have had a few iffy games as have liverpool, but have turned it on when they've needed it, I think they knew a long time ago the league was gone to barce and the league performances showed that
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Maybe their experience is better but they're not a better team. Especially not defensively. We're better than them defensively.
posted on 25/5/18
Madrid will be favorites and rightly so.
They've been there and done it. Won the last 2 CLs. They have World Cups winners in their team, European Championship winners. These players are used to playing on the biggest stage and the biggest games.
And then of course they have Ronaldo, who's been on sensational goal scoring form since the turn of the year.
And yet I think we have a chance because Madrid can be got at. Munich proved it and Real Madrid really rode their luck.
Our attack is quick, skillful and direct. We're a goal threat and that gives us a genuine shot at this.
My personal opinion; I saw how nervous some of our players looked in the semi and I just think that Real Madrid might be a bit too canny and a bit too experienced so I'd give them the edge. That said, I go into the game genuinely believing we have a good chance.
posted on 25/5/18
Maybe their experience is better but they're not a better team. Especially not defensively. We're better than them defensively
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are you comparing your defence to city or madrids?
posted on 25/5/18
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posted on 25/5/18
I'm gonna say Madrid.
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well if that's the case then its not really needing a response
posted on 25/5/18
If Madrid do win, I hope Ronaldo scores the winner. He deserves it
posted on 25/5/18
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
I think Pool will win, and that's fine with me. If they do they will deserve the plaudits. And one good thing about football is that there is always next season.
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What about next season? I hope you are not insinuating we have a chance to win the champs league with the boring one in charge
posted on 25/5/18
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
If Madrid do win, I hope Ronaldo scores the winner. He deserves it
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It would also wind so many people up.
I still cringe at the memory of his shirt-off celebration of his 120th-minute penalty to make it 4-1 against Atlético in 2014.
posted on 25/5/18
Haha yeah, he loves the limelight. I guess from his perspective he has dedicated his life to that moment, more so than any other professional.
posted on 25/5/18
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 6 minutes ago
If Madrid do win, I hope Ronaldo scores the winner. He deserves it
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Yeah, when will that boy finally get the recognition he deserves.
What he really deserves is a bit more glory. Aside from being lauded as one of the greatest players ever and winning a eye-watering number of prestigious awards, he's really been starved of glory.
posted on 25/5/18
comment by Can Solo (U6997)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 6 minutes ago
If Madrid do win, I hope Ronaldo scores the winner. He deserves it
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Yeah, when will that boy finally get the recognition he deserves.
What he really deserves is a bit more glory. Aside from being lauded as one of the greatest players ever and winning a eye-watering number of prestigious awards, he's really been starved of glory.
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Glad you agree.
posted on 25/5/18
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
Haha yeah, he loves the limelight. I guess from his perspective he has dedicated his life to that moment, more so than any other professional.
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Can't deny that.
If he scores, it'll leave him just one shy of Di Stefano's record of scoring in 5 finals (albeit Di Stefano did it consecutively! )
posted on 25/5/18
comment by United_kaz (U9943)
posted 28 minutes ago
Maybe their experience is better but they're not a better team. Especially not defensively. We're better than them defensively
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are you comparing your defence to city or madrids?
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Real’s. They’ve conceded more than us.
posted on 25/5/18
I'm having heart failure.
Not long home from Madrid was in the airport this morning over there surrounded by them heading off to Kiev
posted on 25/5/18
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
I'm having heart failure.
Not long home from Madrid was in the airport this morning over there surrounded by them heading off to Kiev
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Couldn't you have crept into one of their bags?
posted on 25/5/18
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
I'm having heart failure.
Not long home from Madrid was in the airport this morning over there surrounded by them heading off to Kiev
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Couldn't you have crept into one of their bags?
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I would not have minded inspecting the contents of some of the female fans under garments
posted on 25/5/18
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 19 minutes ago
Haha yeah, he loves the limelight. I guess from his perspective he has dedicated his life to that moment, more so than any other professional.
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why 'more so than any other professional' ?!
posted on 25/5/18
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by United_kaz (U9943)
posted 28 minutes ago
Maybe their experience is better but they're not a better team. Especially not defensively. We're better than them defensively
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are you comparing your defence to city or madrids?
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Real’s. They’ve conceded more than us.
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By the way I was referring to City in the first part of my comment, they are a better team than Real.
posted on 25/5/18
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by United_kaz (U9943)
posted 28 minutes ago
Maybe their experience is better but they're not a better team. Especially not defensively. We're better than them defensively
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are you comparing your defence to city or madrids?
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Real’s. They’ve conceded more than us.
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In fairness they've played PSG, Juve and Bayern in the knock out rounds though where as you've played Porto, Roma n City.
Liverpool have conceded 5 to Sevilla and 6 to Roma over two games. That won't be good enough versus Madrid. They'll have to defend much much better as this is the first genuine top European team you've faced all season. City aren't quite there in the CL for whatever reason despite the PL form.
Everything points to a Madrid win which is why I think Liverpool will win.
posted on 25/5/18
Madrid have that big game winning mentality and always seem to win no matter what league form they have.
I hope we don’t give them respect and attack and press them as they are not used to that. Bayern missed a hat full of chances I hope we convert ours.
Heart is pumping today can’t wait for tomorrow
posted on 25/5/18
If it doesn’t happen, I bet the first article after the game has the title;
“Jurgen klopp...”
posted on 25/5/18
comment by United_kaz (U9943)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
Maybe their experience is better but they're not a better team. Especially not defensively. We're better than them defensively
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are you comparing your defence to city or madrids?
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Easily comparable to either.
Our defence was better than City's for the last 29 games of a 38 game premier league season.
And in terms of clean sheets, City had 18, we had 17.
We also conceded less goals than Madrid, in a much more competitive league.
So not that much of a stretch to be fair.
posted on 25/5/18
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by United_kaz (U9943)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
Maybe their experience is better but they're not a better team. Especially not defensively. We're better than them defensively
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are you comparing your defence to city or madrids?
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Easily comparable to either.
Our defence was better than City's for the last 29 games of a 38 game premier league season.
And in terms of clean sheets, City had 18, we had 17.
We also conceded less goals than Madrid, in a much more competitive league.
So not that much of a stretch to be fair.
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From the time that VVD joined us Liverpool has the BEST defensive record in the league and Karius (with 0.7) has the best goals conceded/game ratio in the league
posted on 25/5/18
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 4 hours, 36 minutes ago
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 29 seconds ago
Things like retaining the CL in its current format just didn't happen until last season either.
As I see it the final could go either way. Both sides hold clear advantages over the other in certain areas. Personally, I find it impossible to predict which of those aspects will eventually tip the scales.
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I think it'll be 3-1 Madrid but with us dominating a chunk of the game. They just have so many players that have been there and done it, that know how to win, that I think it will be enough for them. I think that the one thing we can guarantee is goals.
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We're still essentially the same side that struggled against Klopp's Dortmund sides.
We're obviously more experienced now, but we always had trouble adapting to their game and pace, and our key players are undeniably ageing.
On pure footballing terms you'v got the upper hand, imo. We have experience and individual quality.
All in all, it seems finely balanced although, somewhat ironically, you still can't discount either side blowing the other way depending on how heavily each of the factors at play weigh come the night.
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fair point IOAG
but Liverpool are not as good as that Dortmund team imo..not even close ..esp in the critical midfield dept
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