Well there is, as none of the match reports thought he was poor, particularly in comparison to others. There’s only no getting it away from it from your perception, which is why I asked what you think hes being asked to do, rather than judging him as generically as you are (or any player, for that matter. This is a football forum, after all...)
Everyone thinks he was poor, don't care what these so called match reports say. If you can't make up your own opinion and think he was poor that would lead to bias.
There's no real debate to have.
I would stick with Alli, but obviously look to keep a close eye on his fitness during a game, but for me, Sterling simply isn't international standard, and should be dropped from the starting 11.
It's one thing tapping in goals off the back of great players like KDB, Sane and Silva, bit quite another when your expected to produce around less talented players, and singularly fail to deliver.
They didn’t though. Even on here, people were saying he was playing well. All of the pundits said he was too. You don’t want to have the debate, I’m assuming because you can’t differentiate between issues with the system and issues with the player
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So, and I know this will be controversial, I don’t think the system has that big a detrimental impact on Sterling, I think the fact that he has Kane alongside him does. Sterling has to have someone either in front of him or if they are behind, then feeding the balls through.
If the system doesn't suit Sterling then even more reason to drop him surely,or are you suggesting we drop Captain and World Cup top scorer Harry Kane instead?
I’m suggesting that whoever we play won’t look good (in fact, worse) and that we should change the system.
Even Kane hasn’t looked good in open play at all, it’s not as if he’s missed chances, he hasn’t had any.
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posted 6 hours, 28 minutes ago
think alli needs to be taken out..
alli, stelring and lingard are all similar players, need to take one out
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They also have similar whining skills!
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posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
So, and I know this will be controversial, I don’t think the system has that big a detrimental impact on Sterling, I think the fact that he has Kane alongside him does. Sterling has to have someone either in front of him or if they are behind, then feeding the balls through.
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But Sterling has never been about playing on the shoulder of defenders so I don't think someone behind him playing those balls through is a big deal. He does dovetail with Kane pretty well and they seem to rotate who is the furthest forward. Essentially his job is to help create the space for the runners to go beyond him, which he does actually do very well. Maybe in that role he is never going to be someone that is going to hurt the opposition as much.
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I agree, which is why for the system to work, it needs the midfield runners to run past the line, which didn’t happen at all aside from once with Lingard last night. Given there were no options out wide either, we’re back full circle to me asking earlier in the thread why Sterling was being judged to have had a poor game.
Now if he had Vardy along side him, that alters the system again as then he has got someone that is stretching the defence back rather than the same direction he is and it isn’t solely reliant on the midfield runners.
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I agree with that too.
Can I just check though Great, I’m assuming you don’t think Sterling played badly or was the worst player last night either? If so, then we’re arguing similar perspectives I think.
My biggest issue with the system btw (and what will solve a lot of it) is width from the fullbacks. They have to get further forward and stay wide.
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England are probably not the most talented team at this World Cup but we showed against Colombia why we have now got a great chance of winning it. (Alan Shearer)
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First of all, congratulations to England for making it this far in the World Cup. Many doubted this, including myself, but what is really scary is that Alan Shearer is jumping on the band wagon!
Not quite sure what he means by "what we showed against Columbia"? We showed how to give up a tying goal in overtime on a corner. Where was the coverage in the box? Perhaps he was talking about the fact that we missed a penalty in the shoot-out and still managed to win? "Thank-you" Columbia!
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posted on 4/7/18
Well there is, as none of the match reports thought he was poor, particularly in comparison to others. There’s only no getting it away from it from your perception, which is why I asked what you think hes being asked to do, rather than judging him as generically as you are (or any player, for that matter. This is a football forum, after all...)
posted on 4/7/18
Everyone thinks he was poor, don't care what these so called match reports say. If you can't make up your own opinion and think he was poor that would lead to bias.
There's no real debate to have.
posted on 4/7/18
I would stick with Alli, but obviously look to keep a close eye on his fitness during a game, but for me, Sterling simply isn't international standard, and should be dropped from the starting 11.
It's one thing tapping in goals off the back of great players like KDB, Sane and Silva, bit quite another when your expected to produce around less talented players, and singularly fail to deliver.
posted on 4/7/18
They didn’t though. Even on here, people were saying he was playing well. All of the pundits said he was too. You don’t want to have the debate, I’m assuming because you can’t differentiate between issues with the system and issues with the player
posted on 4/7/18
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posted on 4/7/18
So, and I know this will be controversial, I don’t think the system has that big a detrimental impact on Sterling, I think the fact that he has Kane alongside him does. Sterling has to have someone either in front of him or if they are behind, then feeding the balls through.
posted on 4/7/18
If the system doesn't suit Sterling then even more reason to drop him surely,or are you suggesting we drop Captain and World Cup top scorer Harry Kane instead?
posted on 4/7/18
I’m suggesting that whoever we play won’t look good (in fact, worse) and that we should change the system.
Even Kane hasn’t looked good in open play at all, it’s not as if he’s missed chances, he hasn’t had any.
posted on 4/7/18
comment by enlightened hippo - here for da game and all d... (U1301)
posted 6 hours, 28 minutes ago
think alli needs to be taken out..
alli, stelring and lingard are all similar players, need to take one out
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They also have similar whining skills!
posted on 4/7/18
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posted on 4/7/18
comment by Greatteamswinit4times- a terrible enemy (U6008)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
So, and I know this will be controversial, I don’t think the system has that big a detrimental impact on Sterling, I think the fact that he has Kane alongside him does. Sterling has to have someone either in front of him or if they are behind, then feeding the balls through.
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But Sterling has never been about playing on the shoulder of defenders so I don't think someone behind him playing those balls through is a big deal. He does dovetail with Kane pretty well and they seem to rotate who is the furthest forward. Essentially his job is to help create the space for the runners to go beyond him, which he does actually do very well. Maybe in that role he is never going to be someone that is going to hurt the opposition as much.
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I agree, which is why for the system to work, it needs the midfield runners to run past the line, which didn’t happen at all aside from once with Lingard last night. Given there were no options out wide either, we’re back full circle to me asking earlier in the thread why Sterling was being judged to have had a poor game.
posted on 4/7/18
Now if he had Vardy along side him, that alters the system again as then he has got someone that is stretching the defence back rather than the same direction he is and it isn’t solely reliant on the midfield runners.
posted on 4/7/18
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posted on 4/7/18
I agree with that too.
Can I just check though Great, I’m assuming you don’t think Sterling played badly or was the worst player last night either? If so, then we’re arguing similar perspectives I think.
My biggest issue with the system btw (and what will solve a lot of it) is width from the fullbacks. They have to get further forward and stay wide.
posted on 5/7/18
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England are probably not the most talented team at this World Cup but we showed against Colombia why we have now got a great chance of winning it. (Alan Shearer)
***************************************************
First of all, congratulations to England for making it this far in the World Cup. Many doubted this, including myself, but what is really scary is that Alan Shearer is jumping on the band wagon!
Not quite sure what he means by "what we showed against Columbia"? We showed how to give up a tying goal in overtime on a corner. Where was the coverage in the box? Perhaps he was talking about the fact that we missed a penalty in the shoot-out and still managed to win? "Thank-you" Columbia!
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