While I agree to some extent with what your saying with regards changing things up I don't agree with the tone of the article. At the moment we are in a slump and while that's not great they happen and I would rather slump against the teams we aren't meant to get anything from.
I admit a loss to Norwich is not exactly what we needed or expected. However with regards to the players we cannot judge their performance on any game other than the QPR and Norwich games as At the moment ManU are tearing everyone apart and we aren't the only team they have made to look poor and Liverpool were flying when we played them. Our performance against Man City was also top drawer with players in the team you say should be dropped. Yes we were poor yesterday but we had a bad day at the office and they happen.
And I know what the retorts are going to be but honestly their is no way to say how well we are doing until we have played at minimum 10 games this season as 6 of our first 10 I really expected us to get nothing from so really we are in an expected position.
The performance yesterday was a worry I grant you but It IS an isolated incident the ManU and Pool games cant be taken as an indicator of our level or ability to play as a team.
Just echoes my thoughts after yesterday's game.
Don't blame Owen for the side he put out V Norwich,
Davies aside, I thought it fair enough as it was hard to judge after playing United, as they are making mugs of everybody.
Time for change now, though.
We have lost our last 5 games at home. We have won 2 out of our last 10. The players mentioned have all featured regularly. The players mentioned have shown indifferent amd inconsistent form to say the least. How many chamces do you give them????
"Ditch the dogged resistance to stand by the old guard and make some poper decisions on team selection."
I think that's a fair comment.
BUT
I only agree on the Knight and Davies comments..
Jussi & Robinson need to stay in for now, because there is no one better to replace them..
....Yes...Jussi will HAVE to stay between the sticks now, seein' as we sold the only other (better) keeper option we had, to Wigan
You don't have to have a team of 11 star players to make a big impression in the Prem (our 4 Top 8 finishes prove that) but you have to be able to put out a team that's tough and very well drilled ..and KNOWS how to deal effectively with the opposition of the day, by counteracting their strengths, and exploiting their weaknesses.
OC needs to do extra homework on that, and try n' foster a bit more ' seige mentality ' back into the Reebok camp. It's no coincidence that when Bolton were one of the most disliked (and feared) teams in the Premiership ..we were also the most successful
Can't fault that logic FOTG, but its also our job as supporters to do our part in creating that siege mentality feel to the Reebok. And we can only do that by getting behind the team 100% and out singing the opposition fans week in, week out. You only have to look at Stoke over the last few seasons to see the difference that the fans as the proverbial 12th man can make.
....Yes...Jussi will HAVE to stay between the sticks now, seein' as we sold the only other (better) keeper option we had, to Wigan.
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My thoughts exactly.
Without selling Al Habsi our attacking options would be Blake, Davies, Klasnic and Tuncay.
N'Gog is more vital than Ali IMO, also Ali isn't that great. He's capable, but No better than Jussi, poor distribution, makes silly mistakes, poor handling also.
HH, I don't think you can say that. Jus because we sold a player for £4m and bought one for the same value. If the right player came along, we might have still been able to find £4m from somewhere.
Good article Shantonwhites. And good reply from Firstof. About time we had a bit of realism on here.
Evidently not as we are about to post £30m losses again this year, we broke even with transfers for a reason, because we had to.
It's like Everton signing Seamus Coleman, they asked moyes if he thought Coleman was a bargain at £100k, he said no because he cost £60k, they had to get it that low or otherwise they couldn't afford him, if they cannot find £40k then were hardly gonna find £4m
It's been well documented by Deloitte Sports Accountants that nealy 70% of this years summer transfer spending was spent by City, ManU, L'pool & Chelsea.
All spending, except in City's case, ahead of the expected Champions League bounty.
Also HH, I dont expect our losses to be so severe.
We're still in the process of doing our accounts for the last financial period, then they have to be audited by Deloitte, usally early November.
Being a shareholder, I usually get some advanced nod on our financial afairs, especially if they're dire.
Reports & accounts are usually sent out to shareholders between the beginning of December or as late as February if we decide to opt for the 15 month reporting cycle.
At the forum Coyle said huge losses will be made again.. I'm sure my friend who went said it would be £30m.. God knows why but I'm positive that's what he said to me..
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posted on 18/9/11
While I agree to some extent with what your saying with regards changing things up I don't agree with the tone of the article. At the moment we are in a slump and while that's not great they happen and I would rather slump against the teams we aren't meant to get anything from.
I admit a loss to Norwich is not exactly what we needed or expected. However with regards to the players we cannot judge their performance on any game other than the QPR and Norwich games as At the moment ManU are tearing everyone apart and we aren't the only team they have made to look poor and Liverpool were flying when we played them. Our performance against Man City was also top drawer with players in the team you say should be dropped. Yes we were poor yesterday but we had a bad day at the office and they happen.
And I know what the retorts are going to be but honestly their is no way to say how well we are doing until we have played at minimum 10 games this season as 6 of our first 10 I really expected us to get nothing from so really we are in an expected position.
The performance yesterday was a worry I grant you but It IS an isolated incident the ManU and Pool games cant be taken as an indicator of our level or ability to play as a team.
posted on 18/9/11
Just echoes my thoughts after yesterday's game.
Don't blame Owen for the side he put out V Norwich,
Davies aside, I thought it fair enough as it was hard to judge after playing United, as they are making mugs of everybody.
Time for change now, though.
posted on 18/9/11
We have lost our last 5 games at home. We have won 2 out of our last 10. The players mentioned have all featured regularly. The players mentioned have shown indifferent amd inconsistent form to say the least. How many chamces do you give them????
posted on 18/9/11
"Ditch the dogged resistance to stand by the old guard and make some poper decisions on team selection."
I think that's a fair comment.
BUT
I only agree on the Knight and Davies comments..
Jussi & Robinson need to stay in for now, because there is no one better to replace them..
posted on 18/9/11
....Yes...Jussi will HAVE to stay between the sticks now, seein' as we sold the only other (better) keeper option we had, to Wigan
You don't have to have a team of 11 star players to make a big impression in the Prem (our 4 Top 8 finishes prove that) but you have to be able to put out a team that's tough and very well drilled ..and KNOWS how to deal effectively with the opposition of the day, by counteracting their strengths, and exploiting their weaknesses.
OC needs to do extra homework on that, and try n' foster a bit more ' seige mentality ' back into the Reebok camp. It's no coincidence that when Bolton were one of the most disliked (and feared) teams in the Premiership ..we were also the most successful
posted on 18/9/11
Can't fault that logic FOTG, but its also our job as supporters to do our part in creating that siege mentality feel to the Reebok. And we can only do that by getting behind the team 100% and out singing the opposition fans week in, week out. You only have to look at Stoke over the last few seasons to see the difference that the fans as the proverbial 12th man can make.
posted on 18/9/11
....Yes...Jussi will HAVE to stay between the sticks now, seein' as we sold the only other (better) keeper option we had, to Wigan.
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My thoughts exactly.
posted on 18/9/11
Without selling Al Habsi our attacking options would be Blake, Davies, Klasnic and Tuncay.
N'Gog is more vital than Ali IMO, also Ali isn't that great. He's capable, but No better than Jussi, poor distribution, makes silly mistakes, poor handling also.
posted on 18/9/11
HH, I don't think you can say that. Jus because we sold a player for £4m and bought one for the same value. If the right player came along, we might have still been able to find £4m from somewhere.
posted on 19/9/11
Good article Shantonwhites. And good reply from Firstof. About time we had a bit of realism on here.
posted on 19/9/11
Evidently not as we are about to post £30m losses again this year, we broke even with transfers for a reason, because we had to.
It's like Everton signing Seamus Coleman, they asked moyes if he thought Coleman was a bargain at £100k, he said no because he cost £60k, they had to get it that low or otherwise they couldn't afford him, if they cannot find £40k then were hardly gonna find £4m
posted on 19/9/11
It's been well documented by Deloitte Sports Accountants that nealy 70% of this years summer transfer spending was spent by City, ManU, L'pool & Chelsea.
All spending, except in City's case, ahead of the expected Champions League bounty.
Also HH, I dont expect our losses to be so severe.
We're still in the process of doing our accounts for the last financial period, then they have to be audited by Deloitte, usally early November.
Being a shareholder, I usually get some advanced nod on our financial afairs, especially if they're dire.
Reports & accounts are usually sent out to shareholders between the beginning of December or as late as February if we decide to opt for the 15 month reporting cycle.
posted on 19/9/11
At the forum Coyle said huge losses will be made again.. I'm sure my friend who went said it would be £30m.. God knows why but I'm positive that's what he said to me..
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