Funny thing is it's probably the United fans like Wahl/Erik that has put us above them in this particular table
This vote , what, when, where, and who ?
no one will ever take manu,s title of being hated the most
comment by der kloppites (U13373)
posted 2 minutes ago
no one will ever take manu,s title of being hated the most
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Hated. Adored. Never ignored.
Agreed that we are on the right track. Hate is the companion of love and how the haters would love to be us is blatantly apparent.
yeah agreed....Utd are the team to beat here
with Pool it's begrudging admiration (of late)
with $puds it's generally pity
There are two loves in my life i.e. Chelsea FC and Rafael Nadal.I want them both to succeed in life.
comment by der kloppites (U13373)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
no one will ever take manu,s title of being hated the most
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This is the truth of the pudding.
Something to do with trains and ballboys probably.
We have never been popular with the fans of other clubs and I wouldn't have it any other way.
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
We have never been popular with the fans of other clubs and I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Agreed. I don't want their love, I wouldn't know what to do with it.
comment by Chelsea_since_summer_1969 ✯ (U1561)
posted 2 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
We have never been popular with the fans of other clubs and I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Agreed. I don't want their love, I wouldn't know what to do with it.
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Just toy with their affections 69!
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 20 hours, 28 minutes ago
We have never been popular with the fans of other clubs and I wouldn't have it any other way.
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That's because you have a history of racism, violence, idiots like Ken Bates and then egotists like Mourinho oh and greasy divers like Drogba
comment by The Gin Palace (U21084)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 20 hours, 28 minutes ago
We have never been popular with the fans of other clubs and I wouldn't have it any other way.
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That's because you have a history of racism,
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/oct/06/gayrights
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/englands-ledley-king-arrested-over-assault-1682413.html
"Former Spurs and Real Madrid star Rafael van der Vaart (a player universally adored by Spurs fans) and model wife Sylvie have split up after the midfielder admitted to hitting her."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2255950/Rafael-van-der-Vaart-splits-wife-Sylvie.html
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/jan/23/harry-redknapp-tax-evasion-trial
As a gooner I'm, glad that you've also pointed out how awful Spurs are as well. Thanks for that
I assumed you were a Spurs fan as you don't declare your team and 3 of your last 5 articles are on their board.
I won't even bother going into Arsenals rapsheet as a club though, will be here till Christmas.
comment by ------- (U21614)
posted 37 minutes ago
I assumed you were a Spurs fan as you don't declare your team and 3 of your last 5 articles are on their board.
I won't even bother going into Arsenals rapsheet as a club though, will be here till Christmas.
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Obviously reading isn't your strong point. I state in my intro that I'm a Gooner. And as for our rapsheet, Arsenal as a club have traditionally been supported by a mix of races and have rarely been associated with either racist or violent support.
Yours however, racially abused Paul Canoville when he played for you and had electric fences installed to stop your fans attacking the away end.
Stay classy
Did we really have electric fences?
And I also saw Paul Canoville getting abused at Highbury, monkey noises etc...
comment by CFC: FFP Champions (U20729)
posted 11 minutes ago
Did we really have electric fences?
And I also saw Paul Canoville getting abused at Highbury, monkey noises etc...
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That's a lie and you know it. Arsenal had several black players at that time, Paul Davis, Raphael Meade, Chris Whyte, Viv Anderson and none of them were ever abused. And yes Chelsea did have electric fences for a period in the early 80s. Look it up.
Chelsea's young support were also targeted by far right groups like the National Front at that time due to their largely white crowd as a potential recruitment area and leaflets were handed out.
By the way, I wasn't a regular at SB but was told this by Tommy Langley who is an ex player of yours and is also a distant relative of mine.
comment by The Gin Palace (U21084)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by ------- (U21614)
posted 37 minutes ago
I assumed you were a Spurs fan as you don't declare your team and 3 of your last 5 articles are on their board.
I won't even bother going into Arsenals rapsheet as a club though, will be here till Christmas.
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Obviously reading isn't your strong point. I state in my intro that I'm a Gooner. And as for our rapsheet, Arsenal as a club have traditionally been supported by a mix of races and have rarely been associated with either racist or violent support.
Yours however, racially abused Paul Canoville when he played for you and had electric fences installed to stop your fans attacking the away end.
Stay classy
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Well if reducing your own players to tears passes for classy over at Highbury, I'll stick with what we have Thanks!
The electric fence was installed (but never used) as a means to combat hooliganism that was rife at the time and we had a bad reputation but no team was innocent back then.
Also football grounds around the country were targeted by far right organisations, I used to see them all over the country.
Chelsea has always been multi cultural as well, Summer and Brummie can both tell you I have a healthy tan that never fades. Sure I've met some less savoury folk in my time at Chelsea but received far more abuse growing up at school than football (including other fans).
Hate us by all but don't pretend to know us, you never have and you never will due to the hate within you, bigotry does that to people.
Arsenal as a club have traditionally been supported by a mix of races and have rarely been associated with either racist or violent support.
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You don't know what you're talking about, Arsenal Skinheads regularly used to infiltrate and take the Shed in the late sixties and early seventies. They were one of the most violent mobs in London at that time. They actually took the Shed about 4 times during that period.
Also there never was an Electric fence "Period" of the early eighties. The truth is that Bates installed an Electric low-voltage fence around about 1985 but Ken Livingstone's GLC never gave him permission to ever turn the thing on and he had to take it down again soon after. It was obvious that he was never gna be allowed to do something like that.
...........and just to prove it.
https://www.google.com/search?q=arsenal+in+the+chelsea+shed&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=ubGKKYTUnfYruM%253A%252CY4bpzgmCEHeSvM%252C_&usg=__tYYcNhW4lYcjU2MhgaScE2OYHDY%3D&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiY_Zm8_cncAhWsDcAKHcBtA-EQ9QEwD3oECAcQBA#imgrc=ubGKKYTUnfYruM:
Fair enough. It would be daft to pretend that any large mainly working class crowd wouldn't have an element of hooliganism within it. however, Arsenal don't have the reputation for violence and racism that the likes of Chelsea and Millwall do and Leeds for example up north.
Here's 'one of your own' saying pretty much the same thing about Chelsea and the 1980s
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/a-trip-down-chelseas-hooligan-lane/16708#.W2FYfKDTU0M
By the way, I don't go to away games any more but I'm sure your crowd is different now. But the original post concerned why other fans don't like you and Chelsea's unsavoury past is one of those reasons.
I take your point about the perception with Club's like Chelsea, Leeds etc. but just to add some balance, some of the most high profile, much admired, followed and extremely relevant (leaders or top boys if you like) came from ethnic backgrounds and were (and still are) universally known and highly respected amongst ALL Chelsea fans. Slang names to protect identities for them are Kojak (god rest his soul), Babsy, Black Jimmy, Black Willie, Braith, Del and Panther.
I often used to go with my West Indian school mate and we had no problems with other supporters. He often would say hello to and converse with the likes of Hickey etc. and JFDI has already explained his experiences on here earlier.
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posted on 30/7/18
Funny thing is it's probably the United fans like Wahl/Erik that has put us above them in this particular table
posted on 30/7/18
This vote , what, when, where, and who ?
posted on 30/7/18
no one will ever take manu,s title of being hated the most
posted on 30/7/18
comment by der kloppites (U13373)
posted 2 minutes ago
no one will ever take manu,s title of being hated the most
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Hated. Adored. Never ignored.
posted on 30/7/18
Agreed that we are on the right track. Hate is the companion of love and how the haters would love to be us is blatantly apparent.
posted on 30/7/18
yeah agreed....Utd are the team to beat here
with Pool it's begrudging admiration (of late)
with $puds it's generally pity
posted on 30/7/18
There are two loves in my life i.e. Chelsea FC and Rafael Nadal.I want them both to succeed in life.
posted on 30/7/18
comment by der kloppites (U13373)
posted 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
no one will ever take manu,s title of being hated the most
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This is the truth of the pudding.
posted on 30/7/18
Something to do with trains and ballboys probably.
posted on 30/7/18
We have never been popular with the fans of other clubs and I wouldn't have it any other way.
posted on 30/7/18
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
We have never been popular with the fans of other clubs and I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Agreed. I don't want their love, I wouldn't know what to do with it.
posted on 30/7/18
comment by Chelsea_since_summer_1969 ✯ (U1561)
posted 2 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
We have never been popular with the fans of other clubs and I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Agreed. I don't want their love, I wouldn't know what to do with it.
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Just toy with their affections 69!
posted on 31/7/18
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 20 hours, 28 minutes ago
We have never been popular with the fans of other clubs and I wouldn't have it any other way.
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That's because you have a history of racism, violence, idiots like Ken Bates and then egotists like Mourinho oh and greasy divers like Drogba
posted on 31/7/18
comment by The Gin Palace (U21084)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 20 hours, 28 minutes ago
We have never been popular with the fans of other clubs and I wouldn't have it any other way.
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That's because you have a history of racism,
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/oct/06/gayrights
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/englands-ledley-king-arrested-over-assault-1682413.html
"Former Spurs and Real Madrid star Rafael van der Vaart (a player universally adored by Spurs fans) and model wife Sylvie have split up after the midfielder admitted to hitting her."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2255950/Rafael-van-der-Vaart-splits-wife-Sylvie.html
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/jan/23/harry-redknapp-tax-evasion-trial
posted on 31/7/18
As a gooner I'm, glad that you've also pointed out how awful Spurs are as well. Thanks for that
posted on 31/7/18
I assumed you were a Spurs fan as you don't declare your team and 3 of your last 5 articles are on their board.
I won't even bother going into Arsenals rapsheet as a club though, will be here till Christmas.
posted on 31/7/18
comment by ------- (U21614)
posted 37 minutes ago
I assumed you were a Spurs fan as you don't declare your team and 3 of your last 5 articles are on their board.
I won't even bother going into Arsenals rapsheet as a club though, will be here till Christmas.
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Obviously reading isn't your strong point. I state in my intro that I'm a Gooner. And as for our rapsheet, Arsenal as a club have traditionally been supported by a mix of races and have rarely been associated with either racist or violent support.
Yours however, racially abused Paul Canoville when he played for you and had electric fences installed to stop your fans attacking the away end.
Stay classy
posted on 31/7/18
Did we really have electric fences?
And I also saw Paul Canoville getting abused at Highbury, monkey noises etc...
posted on 31/7/18
comment by CFC: FFP Champions (U20729)
posted 11 minutes ago
Did we really have electric fences?
And I also saw Paul Canoville getting abused at Highbury, monkey noises etc...
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That's a lie and you know it. Arsenal had several black players at that time, Paul Davis, Raphael Meade, Chris Whyte, Viv Anderson and none of them were ever abused. And yes Chelsea did have electric fences for a period in the early 80s. Look it up.
Chelsea's young support were also targeted by far right groups like the National Front at that time due to their largely white crowd as a potential recruitment area and leaflets were handed out.
By the way, I wasn't a regular at SB but was told this by Tommy Langley who is an ex player of yours and is also a distant relative of mine.
posted on 31/7/18
comment by The Gin Palace (U21084)
posted 2 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by ------- (U21614)
posted 37 minutes ago
I assumed you were a Spurs fan as you don't declare your team and 3 of your last 5 articles are on their board.
I won't even bother going into Arsenals rapsheet as a club though, will be here till Christmas.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Obviously reading isn't your strong point. I state in my intro that I'm a Gooner. And as for our rapsheet, Arsenal as a club have traditionally been supported by a mix of races and have rarely been associated with either racist or violent support.
Yours however, racially abused Paul Canoville when he played for you and had electric fences installed to stop your fans attacking the away end.
Stay classy
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Well if reducing your own players to tears passes for classy over at Highbury, I'll stick with what we have Thanks!
posted on 31/7/18
The electric fence was installed (but never used) as a means to combat hooliganism that was rife at the time and we had a bad reputation but no team was innocent back then.
Also football grounds around the country were targeted by far right organisations, I used to see them all over the country.
Chelsea has always been multi cultural as well, Summer and Brummie can both tell you I have a healthy tan that never fades. Sure I've met some less savoury folk in my time at Chelsea but received far more abuse growing up at school than football (including other fans).
Hate us by all but don't pretend to know us, you never have and you never will due to the hate within you, bigotry does that to people.
posted on 31/7/18
Arsenal as a club have traditionally been supported by a mix of races and have rarely been associated with either racist or violent support.
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You don't know what you're talking about, Arsenal Skinheads regularly used to infiltrate and take the Shed in the late sixties and early seventies. They were one of the most violent mobs in London at that time. They actually took the Shed about 4 times during that period.
Also there never was an Electric fence "Period" of the early eighties. The truth is that Bates installed an Electric low-voltage fence around about 1985 but Ken Livingstone's GLC never gave him permission to ever turn the thing on and he had to take it down again soon after. It was obvious that he was never gna be allowed to do something like that.
posted on 31/7/18
...........and just to prove it.
https://www.google.com/search?q=arsenal+in+the+chelsea+shed&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=ubGKKYTUnfYruM%253A%252CY4bpzgmCEHeSvM%252C_&usg=__tYYcNhW4lYcjU2MhgaScE2OYHDY%3D&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiY_Zm8_cncAhWsDcAKHcBtA-EQ9QEwD3oECAcQBA#imgrc=ubGKKYTUnfYruM:
posted on 1/8/18
Fair enough. It would be daft to pretend that any large mainly working class crowd wouldn't have an element of hooliganism within it. however, Arsenal don't have the reputation for violence and racism that the likes of Chelsea and Millwall do and Leeds for example up north.
Here's 'one of your own' saying pretty much the same thing about Chelsea and the 1980s
http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/a-trip-down-chelseas-hooligan-lane/16708#.W2FYfKDTU0M
By the way, I don't go to away games any more but I'm sure your crowd is different now. But the original post concerned why other fans don't like you and Chelsea's unsavoury past is one of those reasons.
posted on 1/8/18
I take your point about the perception with Club's like Chelsea, Leeds etc. but just to add some balance, some of the most high profile, much admired, followed and extremely relevant (leaders or top boys if you like) came from ethnic backgrounds and were (and still are) universally known and highly respected amongst ALL Chelsea fans. Slang names to protect identities for them are Kojak (god rest his soul), Babsy, Black Jimmy, Black Willie, Braith, Del and Panther.
I often used to go with my West Indian school mate and we had no problems with other supporters. He often would say hello to and converse with the likes of Hickey etc. and JFDI has already explained his experiences on here earlier.
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