Was great against United on Monday so unless he's had a sudden change of heart I doubt it mate
The guy is class, we need to pay the wages to keep him.
I missed the first half but the second I'm not sure he did too much wrong.
No he played reasonably well tbf, Poch took him off for a striker
It's in no ones interest for Toby to play bad on purpose.
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 13 minutes ago
Was great against United on Monday so unless he's had a sudden change of heart I doubt it mate
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Maybe he wanted to impress his eventual suitors
comment by ism (U20893)
posted 15 minutes ago
No he played reasonably well tbf, Poch took him off for a striker
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possibly maybe it is unfair for me to judge as i am used to watching VVD every week so my standards for a CB are to high
comment by CANuLEIVA (U18359)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 13 minutes ago
Was great against United on Monday so unless he's had a sudden change of heart I doubt it mate
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Maybe he wanted to impress his eventual suitors
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Ah yeah that would explain it
United were crap and below average. He was exposed against an average attack today.
comment by Naby W@n Kenabiyoko - Soon moving to Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
United were crap and below average. He was exposed against an average attack today.
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Sound like Sandy
Have you started worshipping him too?
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CANuLEIVA (U18359)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 13 minutes ago
Was great against United on Monday so unless he's had a sudden change of heart I doubt it mate
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Maybe he wanted to impress his eventual suitors
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Ah yeah that would explain it
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Im being serious
comment by CANuLEIVA (U18359)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CANuLEIVA (U18359)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 13 minutes ago
Was great against United on Monday so unless he's had a sudden change of heart I doubt it mate
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Maybe he wanted to impress his eventual suitors
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Ah yeah that would explain it
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Im being serious
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The idea that you think I'm not being serious shakes me to my very core sir
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 13 minutes ago
Awful article
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good job your here to save it with your fantastic insights!
I have no problem with critisim but it would help if you were constructive in the future
Pathetic article there were at least 7 players worse than he was
comment by Mighty Reds (U11768)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment byism (U20893)
posted 15 minutes ago
No he played reasonably well tbf, Poch took him off for a striker
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possibly maybe it is unfair for me to judge as i am used to watching VVD every week so my standards for a CB are to high
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Doesn’t Lovren play for you too? 😂😂😂😂
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Mighty Reds (U11768)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment byism (U20893)
posted 15 minutes ago
No he played reasonably well tbf, Poch took him off for a striker
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possibly maybe it is unfair for me to judge as i am used to watching VVD every week so my standards for a CB are to high
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Doesn’t Lovren play for you too? 😂😂😂😂
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Plus greats like Sakho 😂😂😂😂
You must’ve seen some seriously sub standard defenders in your lifetime watching your side
MoreSpunk with a double bite as usual.
Poch decided to publically slga him off and say he'd just as rather play an U23 player this week, in response to Toby's excellent performance at old Trafford.
He's probably had enough of playing for a manager who treats him like a cntu no matter how much he gives to the team
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Mighty Reds (U11768)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment byism (U20893)
posted 15 minutes ago
No he played reasonably well tbf, Poch took him off for a striker
----------------------------------------------------------------------
possibly maybe it is unfair for me to judge as i am used to watching VVD every week so my standards for a CB are to high
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Doesn’t Lovren play for you too? 😂😂😂😂
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Plus greats like Sakho 😂😂😂😂
You must’ve seen some seriously sub standard defenders in your lifetime watching your side
----------------------------------------------------------------------
MoreSpunk fuming. Laugh at Morespunk
comment by Mighty Reds (U11768)
posted 7 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment byism (U20893)
posted 15 minutes ago
No he played reasonably well tbf, Poch took him off for a striker
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possibly maybe it is unfair for me to judge as i am used to watching VVD every week so my standards for a CB are to high
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that the same VVD who trails Vertoghen in defensive stars this season? If you’re going to give it large then make sure the stats back up your bravado son
Stop biting Ledders.
Clear wum.
comment by Ledders the King - 2017/18 FF Enders league ch... (U20121)
posted 4 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Mighty Reds (U11768)
posted 7 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment byism (U20893)
posted 15 minutes ago
No he played reasonably well tbf, Poch took him off for a striker
----------------------------------------------------------------------
possibly maybe it is unfair for me to judge as i am used to watching VVD every week so my standards for a CB are to high
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that the same VVD who trails Vertoghen in defensive stars this season? If you’re going to give it large then make sure the stats back up your bravado son
----------------------------------------------------------------------
the stats do who has more clean sheets and whos conceded less thats what matters
Alderweireld was decent against Manchester. United was making it very easy to defend against when they went from being good the first 15 minutes to chaotic, overhit passes that are easy to intercept with a poor Lingard and Lukaku with no matchfitness.
comment by Ledders the King - 2017/18 FF Enders league champion 🏆 (U20121)
posted 11 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Mighty Reds (U11768)
posted 7 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment byism (U20893)
posted 15 minutes ago
No he played reasonably well tbf, Poch took him off for a striker
----------------------------------------------------------------------
possibly maybe it is unfair for me to judge as i am used to watching VVD every week so my standards for a CB are to high
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that the same VVD who trails Vertoghen in defensive stars this season? If you’re going to give it large then make sure the stats back up your bravado son
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Here are some stats:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmFQNJSXgAAYv-4.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmFQnfTXsAAsZQB.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmFQmF3XcAEY6Rc.jpg
It's clear that vvd is the superior player since
1. He already has the strengths of Vertongnen (I find him better than Alderweireld overall)
2. Is clearly the better leader. Throughout the Watford game I saw no significant coaching or verbal communication from either. This is especially something you want to have when being pressed like Watford did in the last 15 minutes.
3. With 5 man in defense you can afford to manmark the dangermak. In this case it was Deeney. He first threw Sanchez away like he was nothing and was not contested for the first goal. THREE Spurs players (including Vertonghen) were just ballwatching. VVD was brought to mitigate this exact danger that was plague for Liverpool last season. Make a wild guess how many headers were conceded after he came.
4. Players like Deeney, Benteke, Lukaku (when matchfit), Dzeko, etc are players who manifest themselves with their physicality. VVD is better equipped to handle all these players while not losing in speed.
I'd like to point at the shift of attack from opponents who concentrate on the right side to avoid van dijk due to his ability to nullify his opponent. This does mean he has less to do and puts pressure on Alexander Arnold and Gomez, so his stats will be slightly diminished by this.
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posted on 2/9/18
Was great against United on Monday so unless he's had a sudden change of heart I doubt it mate
posted on 2/9/18
The guy is class, we need to pay the wages to keep him.
I missed the first half but the second I'm not sure he did too much wrong.
posted on 2/9/18
No he played reasonably well tbf, Poch took him off for a striker
posted on 2/9/18
It's in no ones interest for Toby to play bad on purpose.
posted on 2/9/18
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 13 minutes ago
Was great against United on Monday so unless he's had a sudden change of heart I doubt it mate
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe he wanted to impress his eventual suitors
posted on 2/9/18
posted on 2/9/18
comment by ism (U20893)
posted 15 minutes ago
No he played reasonably well tbf, Poch took him off for a striker
----------------------------------------------------------------------
possibly maybe it is unfair for me to judge as i am used to watching VVD every week so my standards for a CB are to high
posted on 2/9/18
comment by CANuLEIVA (U18359)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 13 minutes ago
Was great against United on Monday so unless he's had a sudden change of heart I doubt it mate
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe he wanted to impress his eventual suitors
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ah yeah that would explain it
posted on 2/9/18
Awful article
posted on 2/9/18
United were crap and below average. He was exposed against an average attack today.
posted on 2/9/18
comment by Naby W@n Kenabiyoko - Soon moving to Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
United were crap and below average. He was exposed against an average attack today.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sound like Sandy
Have you started worshipping him too?
posted on 2/9/18
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CANuLEIVA (U18359)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 13 minutes ago
Was great against United on Monday so unless he's had a sudden change of heart I doubt it mate
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe he wanted to impress his eventual suitors
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ah yeah that would explain it
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Im being serious
posted on 2/9/18
comment by CANuLEIVA (U18359)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by CANuLEIVA (U18359)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 13 minutes ago
Was great against United on Monday so unless he's had a sudden change of heart I doubt it mate
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe he wanted to impress his eventual suitors
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ah yeah that would explain it
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Im being serious
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The idea that you think I'm not being serious shakes me to my very core sir
posted on 2/9/18
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 13 minutes ago
Awful article
----------------------------------------------------------------------
good job your here to save it with your fantastic insights!
I have no problem with critisim but it would help if you were constructive in the future
posted on 2/9/18
Pathetic article there were at least 7 players worse than he was
posted on 2/9/18
comment by Mighty Reds (U11768)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment byism (U20893)
posted 15 minutes ago
No he played reasonably well tbf, Poch took him off for a striker
----------------------------------------------------------------------
possibly maybe it is unfair for me to judge as i am used to watching VVD every week so my standards for a CB are to high
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Doesn’t Lovren play for you too? 😂😂😂😂
posted on 2/9/18
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Mighty Reds (U11768)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment byism (U20893)
posted 15 minutes ago
No he played reasonably well tbf, Poch took him off for a striker
----------------------------------------------------------------------
possibly maybe it is unfair for me to judge as i am used to watching VVD every week so my standards for a CB are to high
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Doesn’t Lovren play for you too? 😂😂😂😂
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Plus greats like Sakho 😂😂😂😂
You must’ve seen some seriously sub standard defenders in your lifetime watching your side
posted on 2/9/18
MoreSpunk with a double bite as usual.
posted on 2/9/18
Poch decided to publically slga him off and say he'd just as rather play an U23 player this week, in response to Toby's excellent performance at old Trafford.
He's probably had enough of playing for a manager who treats him like a cntu no matter how much he gives to the team
posted on 2/9/18
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Mighty Reds (U11768)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment byism (U20893)
posted 15 minutes ago
No he played reasonably well tbf, Poch took him off for a striker
----------------------------------------------------------------------
possibly maybe it is unfair for me to judge as i am used to watching VVD every week so my standards for a CB are to high
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Doesn’t Lovren play for you too? 😂😂😂😂
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Plus greats like Sakho 😂😂😂😂
You must’ve seen some seriously sub standard defenders in your lifetime watching your side
----------------------------------------------------------------------
MoreSpunk fuming. Laugh at Morespunk
posted on 3/9/18
comment by Mighty Reds (U11768)
posted 7 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment byism (U20893)
posted 15 minutes ago
No he played reasonably well tbf, Poch took him off for a striker
----------------------------------------------------------------------
possibly maybe it is unfair for me to judge as i am used to watching VVD every week so my standards for a CB are to high
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that the same VVD who trails Vertoghen in defensive stars this season? If you’re going to give it large then make sure the stats back up your bravado son
posted on 3/9/18
Stop biting Ledders.
Clear wum.
posted on 3/9/18
comment by Ledders the King - 2017/18 FF Enders league ch... (U20121)
posted 4 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Mighty Reds (U11768)
posted 7 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment byism (U20893)
posted 15 minutes ago
No he played reasonably well tbf, Poch took him off for a striker
----------------------------------------------------------------------
possibly maybe it is unfair for me to judge as i am used to watching VVD every week so my standards for a CB are to high
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that the same VVD who trails Vertoghen in defensive stars this season? If you’re going to give it large then make sure the stats back up your bravado son
----------------------------------------------------------------------
the stats do who has more clean sheets and whos conceded less thats what matters
posted on 3/9/18
Alderweireld was decent against Manchester. United was making it very easy to defend against when they went from being good the first 15 minutes to chaotic, overhit passes that are easy to intercept with a poor Lingard and Lukaku with no matchfitness.
posted on 3/9/18
comment by Ledders the King - 2017/18 FF Enders league champion 🏆 (U20121)
posted 11 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Mighty Reds (U11768)
posted 7 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment byism (U20893)
posted 15 minutes ago
No he played reasonably well tbf, Poch took him off for a striker
----------------------------------------------------------------------
possibly maybe it is unfair for me to judge as i am used to watching VVD every week so my standards for a CB are to high
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is that the same VVD who trails Vertoghen in defensive stars this season? If you’re going to give it large then make sure the stats back up your bravado son
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Here are some stats:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmFQNJSXgAAYv-4.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmFQnfTXsAAsZQB.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmFQmF3XcAEY6Rc.jpg
It's clear that vvd is the superior player since
1. He already has the strengths of Vertongnen (I find him better than Alderweireld overall)
2. Is clearly the better leader. Throughout the Watford game I saw no significant coaching or verbal communication from either. This is especially something you want to have when being pressed like Watford did in the last 15 minutes.
3. With 5 man in defense you can afford to manmark the dangermak. In this case it was Deeney. He first threw Sanchez away like he was nothing and was not contested for the first goal. THREE Spurs players (including Vertonghen) were just ballwatching. VVD was brought to mitigate this exact danger that was plague for Liverpool last season. Make a wild guess how many headers were conceded after he came.
4. Players like Deeney, Benteke, Lukaku (when matchfit), Dzeko, etc are players who manifest themselves with their physicality. VVD is better equipped to handle all these players while not losing in speed.
I'd like to point at the shift of attack from opponents who concentrate on the right side to avoid van dijk due to his ability to nullify his opponent. This does mean he has less to do and puts pressure on Alexander Arnold and Gomez, so his stats will be slightly diminished by this.
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