Fabregas, don't be silly.
Kante is the only that can play box to box, he's probably knackered because he played on Thursday for no reason
We just don't need two defensive midfielders in this game. Someone with a bit more quality going forward would offer much more value.
When they counter us, Kante is the only that can chase back. Jorginho moves as slow as noble
Kanté is elite in every department bar the one he's playing in now. He's a semi pro level player in the opposition box.
Hazard for as good as he's been in recent weeks was very poor today, He's was as useless as Kanté.
He need to shoot from outside the box more.
He potentially could fit the system if he improved throughout the season. Because Jorginho is the second playmaker (the primary playmaker) that third midfielder position doesn't have to be a wizard on the ball, just be comfortable enough to keep it moving at the tempo Jorginho sets on the game. In that respect atm Kante is fine but replaceable.
The main issue for us in midfield atm is the combination of Jorginho, Kante & Kovacic as a three. All good players who have a place in the setup as individuals but that's no goal threat/penetration through the middle with them playing together. We need a goal scoring CM option in the squad whose better than Barkley.
comment by Tablighi Jamaat (U15973)
posted 56 minutes ago
Fabregas, don't be silly.
Kante is the only that can play box to box, he's probably knackered because he played on Thursday for no reason
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This! What a waste
Not his fault our strikers are hopeless.
Hazard and Willian were wasteful in the final 3rd.
Don't blame Kante, he's the best mid in the league
Have to be brutally honest and say - out of the three midfielders (knowing that Jorginho is nailed on at DM), Kante’s position should be most at threat. If Barkley was going to come into the team I’d want to see him in the team for Kante.
Have to be brutally honest and say - out of the three midfielders (knowing that Jorginho is nailed on at DM), Kante’s position should be most at threat. If Barkley was going to come into the team I’d want to see him in the team for Kante.
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The problem there is Jorginho's lack of defensive awareness (his only real weakness IMO) means the combination of Jorginho/Kovacic/Barkley could be even worse against certain opposition. It's worth experimenting with for sure but the natural player for Barkley to replace is Kovacic.
Our current midfield is abit like that 3/5 gallon jug puzzle. The answer is there, but we'll only see it by playing around a bit
Kanté should probably play against the bigger sides with Barkley/Cesc against sides that sit deeper.
I feel like Kanté has been sacrificed for Jorginho. And a big money move to PSG seems inevitable.
comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I Represent Him (U6522)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
He potentially could fit the system if he improved throughout the season. Because Jorginho is the second playmaker (the primary playmaker) that third midfielder position doesn't have to be a wizard on the ball, just be comfortable enough to keep it moving at the tempo Jorginho sets on the game. In that respect atm Kante is fine but replaceable.
The main issue for us in midfield atm is the combination of Jorginho, Kante & Kovacic as a three. All good players who have a place in the setup as individuals but that's no goal threat/penetration through the middle with them playing together. We need a goal scoring CM option in the squad whose better than Barkley.
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Massive chance for Mount if he impresses at Derby.
comment by Juan Eden Zola (U6000)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
We just don't need two defensive midfielders in this game. Someone with a bit more quality going forward would offer much more value.
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If Jorginho is a defensive midfielder then God help us and God help our back four. Give Kante timevto adjust.
Even the best players have an off day. Kante had one today, but he rarely has a bad a game for us. Kante needs time to get used to the new role, I am sure he has the ability to contribute in the defensive and attacking phases.
Jorginho is a deep lying playmaker. I don’t consider him a DM and I would bet neither does Luiz or Rudiger. It is a challenge but Barca worked it out with Xavi so I didn’t see why we can’t
My word I would move Heaven and Earth to have Kante at Utd.
His work rate, consistency and application puts our midfield and many of our players to shame.
comment by Proposition Joe. (U21895)
posted 1 minute ago
My word I would move Heaven and Earth to have Kante at Utd.
His work rate, consistency and application puts our midfield and many of our players to shame.
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Imagine the freedom he would give Pogba
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Proposition Joe. (U21895)
posted 1 minute ago
My word I would move Heaven and Earth to have Kante at Utd.
His work rate, consistency and application puts our midfield and many of our players to shame.
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Imagine the freedom he would give Pogba
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We set Pogba free when we bought Matic
In all seriousness, bar De Gea, theres not a single one of our players I wouldn't trade off for him. Not that you'd entertain that swap!
He has played 7 games in this system. Think he’s allowed an adjustment period considering he’s one of the best midfielders in the world. Give him time.
I'm more than happy with Kante playing a bit further up and getting more involved. For some reason people like to think of him as a Makelele clone, but with greatest respect to Makelele (who was great at what he did) Kante is much more than that.
Of course he'll need some time to adjust but he will. He'll also still get involved defensively when needed, don't think that's in any doubt.
Is he playing further forward?
I wouldn't have Kante as a DM due to the fact he is better pressing rather than marking zonally like Makelele did.
Playing a Deep lying Midfielder (jorginho) with Kante high up winning the ball back pressing, alongside a more creative/goal scoring midfielder makes sense to me.
Is he playing further forward?
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Positionally yes
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posted on 23/9/18
Fabregas, don't be silly.
Kante is the only that can play box to box, he's probably knackered because he played on Thursday for no reason
posted on 23/9/18
We just don't need two defensive midfielders in this game. Someone with a bit more quality going forward would offer much more value.
posted on 23/9/18
When they counter us, Kante is the only that can chase back. Jorginho moves as slow as noble
posted on 23/9/18
Kanté is elite in every department bar the one he's playing in now. He's a semi pro level player in the opposition box.
posted on 23/9/18
Hazard for as good as he's been in recent weeks was very poor today, He's was as useless as Kanté.
He need to shoot from outside the box more.
posted on 23/9/18
He potentially could fit the system if he improved throughout the season. Because Jorginho is the second playmaker (the primary playmaker) that third midfielder position doesn't have to be a wizard on the ball, just be comfortable enough to keep it moving at the tempo Jorginho sets on the game. In that respect atm Kante is fine but replaceable.
The main issue for us in midfield atm is the combination of Jorginho, Kante & Kovacic as a three. All good players who have a place in the setup as individuals but that's no goal threat/penetration through the middle with them playing together. We need a goal scoring CM option in the squad whose better than Barkley.
posted on 23/9/18
comment by Tablighi Jamaat (U15973)
posted 56 minutes ago
Fabregas, don't be silly.
Kante is the only that can play box to box, he's probably knackered because he played on Thursday for no reason
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This! What a waste
posted on 23/9/18
Not his fault our strikers are hopeless.
Hazard and Willian were wasteful in the final 3rd.
Don't blame Kante, he's the best mid in the league
posted on 23/9/18
Have to be brutally honest and say - out of the three midfielders (knowing that Jorginho is nailed on at DM), Kante’s position should be most at threat. If Barkley was going to come into the team I’d want to see him in the team for Kante.
posted on 23/9/18
Have to be brutally honest and say - out of the three midfielders (knowing that Jorginho is nailed on at DM), Kante’s position should be most at threat. If Barkley was going to come into the team I’d want to see him in the team for Kante.
----------------------------------------------------------
The problem there is Jorginho's lack of defensive awareness (his only real weakness IMO) means the combination of Jorginho/Kovacic/Barkley could be even worse against certain opposition. It's worth experimenting with for sure but the natural player for Barkley to replace is Kovacic.
Our current midfield is abit like that 3/5 gallon jug puzzle. The answer is there, but we'll only see it by playing around a bit
posted on 23/9/18
Kanté should probably play against the bigger sides with Barkley/Cesc against sides that sit deeper.
I feel like Kanté has been sacrificed for Jorginho. And a big money move to PSG seems inevitable.
posted on 23/9/18
comment by The Devil's Advocate's Advocate - I Represent Him (U6522)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
He potentially could fit the system if he improved throughout the season. Because Jorginho is the second playmaker (the primary playmaker) that third midfielder position doesn't have to be a wizard on the ball, just be comfortable enough to keep it moving at the tempo Jorginho sets on the game. In that respect atm Kante is fine but replaceable.
The main issue for us in midfield atm is the combination of Jorginho, Kante & Kovacic as a three. All good players who have a place in the setup as individuals but that's no goal threat/penetration through the middle with them playing together. We need a goal scoring CM option in the squad whose better than Barkley.
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Massive chance for Mount if he impresses at Derby.
posted on 23/9/18
comment by Juan Eden Zola (U6000)
posted 2 hours, 32 minutes ago
We just don't need two defensive midfielders in this game. Someone with a bit more quality going forward would offer much more value.
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If Jorginho is a defensive midfielder then God help us and God help our back four. Give Kante timevto adjust.
posted on 23/9/18
Even the best players have an off day. Kante had one today, but he rarely has a bad a game for us. Kante needs time to get used to the new role, I am sure he has the ability to contribute in the defensive and attacking phases.
posted on 23/9/18
Jorginho is a deep lying playmaker. I don’t consider him a DM and I would bet neither does Luiz or Rudiger. It is a challenge but Barca worked it out with Xavi so I didn’t see why we can’t
posted on 23/9/18
My word I would move Heaven and Earth to have Kante at Utd.
His work rate, consistency and application puts our midfield and many of our players to shame.
posted on 23/9/18
comment by Proposition Joe. (U21895)
posted 1 minute ago
My word I would move Heaven and Earth to have Kante at Utd.
His work rate, consistency and application puts our midfield and many of our players to shame.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Imagine the freedom he would give Pogba
posted on 23/9/18
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Proposition Joe. (U21895)
posted 1 minute ago
My word I would move Heaven and Earth to have Kante at Utd.
His work rate, consistency and application puts our midfield and many of our players to shame.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Imagine the freedom he would give Pogba
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We set Pogba free when we bought Matic
In all seriousness, bar De Gea, theres not a single one of our players I wouldn't trade off for him. Not that you'd entertain that swap!
posted on 24/9/18
He has played 7 games in this system. Think he’s allowed an adjustment period considering he’s one of the best midfielders in the world. Give him time.
posted on 24/9/18
I'm more than happy with Kante playing a bit further up and getting more involved. For some reason people like to think of him as a Makelele clone, but with greatest respect to Makelele (who was great at what he did) Kante is much more than that.
Of course he'll need some time to adjust but he will. He'll also still get involved defensively when needed, don't think that's in any doubt.
posted on 24/9/18
Is he playing further forward?
I wouldn't have Kante as a DM due to the fact he is better pressing rather than marking zonally like Makelele did.
Playing a Deep lying Midfielder (jorginho) with Kante high up winning the ball back pressing, alongside a more creative/goal scoring midfielder makes sense to me.
posted on 24/9/18
Is he playing further forward?
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Positionally yes
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