Sounds like a conspiracy that we haven’t utilised it before.
Whilst selling alcohol for £3 a litre
I hope to come back to a 500 page argument. But I doubt it as the majority of people that I know don’t mind it.
There’ll be people who know people who have had psychosis possibly accelerated/created by cannabis, but in a minority.
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Legalisation will depend on how the public coffers are doing post Brexit.
With legalisation of cannabis, their will be huge benefits for the economy,for example tax revenues,and of course huge reductions in the prison population will mean that their will be huge savings there as well.
When they legalise coke I'll be interested
Personally I'm against it.
- While it has little to no lasting effects on some people, to others it devastates them, irreversibly. I don't buy the argument of "it was going to happen anyway" in all cases; I do believe there's almost certainly genetic weaknesses but stats suggest that there are also people who would go through life sane who otherwise wouldn't with cannabis. That's why I'm concerned every time I see cannabis described as "safe", and I see the law as primarily in place to protect these people.
- Trying to interact with someone who's high in society is unpleasant at best. Granted it's not as bad as something like spice but any kind of rational discussion between citizens goes off the table when they're of their face, whether that be a deep and meaningful discussion on the pros or cons of Brexit or who's next in the queue at Greggs.
- Subjective of course, but it can lead to the kind of tourism I don't want. It's like the usual comments I hear about Amsterdam these days: Lovely city, but boy does it stink.
- It stinks.
- Neither do I buy the argument of "it's safer than alcohol". In some ways it may be, but I find that beside the point. Alcohol is a problem throughout the western world. It's out of control. But there's no way we can ban or prohibit it now because it's become fundamentally ingrained within the culture. I fear it becoming the same way with cannabis. Some will say it's already out of control, but that's not my experience of it - at least not to the same level as alcohol - and people should still be lauded (or rather not questioned) for keeping clear of it. It's the Pandora's Box argument: Once you've legalised it, you're stuck with it for good or for bad.
I should add that I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority among my age group (30s) and younger. I know many people want it legal in part so it can be taxed, and that's a good argument for it. There's also no doubt in my mind that medicinal usage, such as for that epileptic kid who got his cannabis from Holland recently, should be reviewed by the home office and rolled out in many cases where such treatment is better than the alternative, such as fitting or being in constant pain. But for general usage, my personal view is that the taxation and liberalism arguments don't outweigh the negatives.
I should add that, regardless of my views, I think it's only a matter of time until it does get legalised.
Yes cannabis should not be legalised anywhere in my view.
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Keeping it illegal is not working, vast amounts are consumed anyway.
All those people who smoke it regardless of its legality will no longer be criminals which in turn frees up police time and prison space. Then there is the benefit to the public purse through taxation and the ability to regulate its sale.
Seems a no brainer to me.
So it won't be long before bods will be able to pop into the newsagents for a packet of 20 spliffs, with about 90% treasury tax revenue on them.
Who needs Europe eh?
comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 6 minutes ago
Sounds like a conspiracy that we haven’t utilised it before.
Whilst selling alcohol for £3 a litre
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Its exactly what it is though. Deomized by Nixon and his nonsensical war on drugs to keep manufacturers happy cause hemp was a treat to multiple textile industries.
It kills literally zero people a year. Has ridiculous medical benefits and creates trade when legalized.
But should it be then education is the key. Clearly call out what you're putting into your body and the potential damage it can do to you, especialy mentally.
Tax it really high (pun intended) and people will still buy cause you can get the type that suits you best and you will know exactly whats in it.
The demand is so clearly there. Currently the stuff you get in uk and Ireland is essentially grown by Chinese gangs who traffic people in and keep them as slaves in grow houses till they pay off their debt for being smuggled over. Police time too is wasted busting jida with small amounts and putting people who were smuggled over in prison while the real perpetrators get away with it.
The pros so far outweigh the cons it's ridiculous its not happened yet.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 6 minutes ago
Sounds like a conspiracy that we haven’t utilised it before.
Whilst selling alcohol for £3 a litre
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Its exactly what it is though. Deomized by Nixon and his nonsensical war on drugs to keep manufacturers happy cause hemp was a treat to multiple textile industries.
It kills literally zero people a year. Has ridiculous medical benefits and creates trade when legalized.
But should it be then education is the key. Clearly call out what you're putting into your body and the potential damage it can do to you, especialy mentally.
Tax it really high (pun intended) and people will still buy cause you can get the type that suits you best and you will know exactly whats in it.
The demand is so clearly there. Currently the stuff you get in uk and Ireland is essentially grown by Chinese gangs who traffic people in and keep them as slaves in grow houses till they pay off their debt for being smuggled over. Police time too is wasted busting jida with small amounts and putting people who were smuggled over in prison while the real perpetrators get away with it.
The pros so far outweigh the cons it's ridiculous its not happened yet.
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Think you're preaching to the converted with Shinji...
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 57 minutes ago
Personally I'm against it.
- While it has little to no lasting effects on some people, to others it devastates them, irreversibly. I don't buy the argument of "it was going to happen anyway" in all cases; I do believe there's almost certainly genetic weaknesses but stats suggest that there are also people who would go through life sane who otherwise wouldn't with cannabis. That's why I'm concerned every time I see cannabis described as "safe", and I see the law as primarily in place to protect these people.
- Trying to interact with someone who's high in society is unpleasant at best. Granted it's not as bad as something like spice but any kind of rational discussion between citizens goes off the table when they're of their face, whether that be a deep and meaningful discussion on the pros or cons of Brexit or who's next in the queue at Greggs.
- Subjective of course, but it can lead to the kind of tourism I don't want. It's like the usual comments I hear about Amsterdam these days: Lovely city, but boy does it stink.
- It stinks.
- Neither do I buy the argument of "it's safer than alcohol". In some ways it may be, but I find that beside the point. Alcohol is a problem throughout the western world. It's out of control. But there's no way we can ban or prohibit it now because it's become fundamentally ingrained within the culture. I fear it becoming the same way with cannabis. Some will say it's already out of control, but that's not my experience of it - at least not to the same level as alcohol - and people should still be lauded (or rather not questioned) for keeping clear of it. It's the Pandora's Box argument: Once you've legalised it, you're stuck with it for good or for bad.
I should add that I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority among my age group (30s) and younger. I know many people want it legal in part so it can be taxed, and that's a good argument for it. There's also no doubt in my mind that medicinal usage, such as for that epileptic kid who got his cannabis from Holland recently, should be reviewed by the home office and rolled out in many cases where such treatment is better than the alternative, such as fitting or being in constant pain. But for general usage, my personal view is that the taxation and liberalism arguments don't outweigh the negatives.
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Some fair points but on Amsterdam you're completley wrong.
Disagree too on alchocol weed is far far far less dangerous the facts are clearly out there. Booze destroys lives in so many ways that weed simply doesn't. The behavious on weed v drink are so different they're incomparable.
I do agree with you on the mental damages it can have on people, booze is the same. But you're actualy contributing to the problem by keeping it illegeal. Illegal weed can be sprayed with anything. The damaging effects therefore extend outside just mental problems, people can react to a pesticide used for example.
If it was legal the customer would know exactly what is in it and vendors would display information on the strain, what the high is like, what side effects or risks etc.
People use it all the time so why deny something that is less dangerous than plenty of legal vices?
TDM
Good to hear a different angle. I smoke it everyday if we’re putting cards on table. But the old slate/pollen not the green stuff. Which does stink. But that’s subjective. Although I don’t smoke the green stuff, I love the smell.
The medicinal purposes are crucial with cannabis. As you alluded to.
But putting that aside..
The alcohol consumption devastates the NHS year upon year in many forms.
Don’t see as many stoners beating their wives, crashing cars, fighting in the pub, generally abusing people.
And that’s the exponent.
Then you deal with the health problems of the alcoholics themselves.
You say alcohol is out of control and there’s no stopping it (which is pretty defeatist) but cannabis could dilute the alcoholic situation and slow down drinkers.
I would imagine it’s the lesser of the evils.
And then the tax and everything else.
More to say but I can’t be arszzed as I’ve just smoked one. Over to you.
comment by Cornelius Oofterom (U15867)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 6 minutes ago
Sounds like a conspiracy that we haven’t utilised it before.
Whilst selling alcohol for £3 a litre
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its exactly what it is though. Deomized by Nixon and his nonsensical war on drugs to keep manufacturers happy cause hemp was a treat to multiple textile industries.
It kills literally zero people a year. Has ridiculous medical benefits and creates trade when legalized.
But should it be then education is the key. Clearly call out what you're putting into your body and the potential damage it can do to you, especialy mentally.
Tax it really high (pun intended) and people will still buy cause you can get the type that suits you best and you will know exactly whats in it.
The demand is so clearly there. Currently the stuff you get in uk and Ireland is essentially grown by Chinese gangs who traffic people in and keep them as slaves in grow houses till they pay off their debt for being smuggled over. Police time too is wasted busting jida with small amounts and putting people who were smuggled over in prison while the real perpetrators get away with it.
The pros so far outweigh the cons it's ridiculous its not happened yet.
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Think you're preaching to the converted with Shinji...
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Didn’t see these as I was slowly typing a response
But knee you make some good points.
Police stopped caring about weed many years ago.
Canada has legalised it ,and it is on sale officially in Canada on the 17th of October,California (the 5th largest economy in the world(Canada is 7th I think) has also legalised it,for medicinal purposes, and soon to be recreational purposes also. Many other states in USA are intent on legalisation as well ,mostly because of the revenue that can be bought in,(taxes)and monies saved on overall law enforcement.
England has one of the biggest cannabis farms in Europe,if not THE biggest, Germany has become one of the biggest users(and importers) of cannabis in the world for medicinal purposes.
It's only a matter of time before it becomes recreational legal,and the medicinal benefits are enormous.
Get it on.
When you have so may states in the old backward USA making dispensaries legal and you see the UK humming and hawing, what country is backwards?
Also , when you consider that Coka Cola,Pepsi Cola ,Molson Coors and many other drinks companies are seriously considering the benefits of cannabioid infused drinks, it makes you realise that their is a huge market out their.
Traditional, old fashioned Britain, will slope along behind !
comment by ZahraIhsanphile (U20361)
posted 5 hours, 1 minute ago
Yes cannabis should not be legalised anywhere in my view.
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You still trying to arrange a marriage?
comment by I am just McCann these days, Unless I am pumpin ye and ye want to call me Daddy (U21454)
posted 14 hours, 1 minute ago
When you have so may states in the old backward USA making dispensaries legal and you see the UK humming and hawing, what country is backwards?
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There are many things legal in US we shouldn’t follow
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posted on 2/10/18
No
posted on 2/10/18
Sounds like a conspiracy that we haven’t utilised it before.
Whilst selling alcohol for £3 a litre
posted on 2/10/18
I hope to come back to a 500 page argument. But I doubt it as the majority of people that I know don’t mind it.
There’ll be people who know people who have had psychosis possibly accelerated/created by cannabis, but in a minority.
posted on 2/10/18
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posted on 2/10/18
Legalisation will depend on how the public coffers are doing post Brexit.
posted on 2/10/18
With legalisation of cannabis, their will be huge benefits for the economy,for example tax revenues,and of course huge reductions in the prison population will mean that their will be huge savings there as well.
posted on 2/10/18
When they legalise coke I'll be interested
posted on 2/10/18
Personally I'm against it.
- While it has little to no lasting effects on some people, to others it devastates them, irreversibly. I don't buy the argument of "it was going to happen anyway" in all cases; I do believe there's almost certainly genetic weaknesses but stats suggest that there are also people who would go through life sane who otherwise wouldn't with cannabis. That's why I'm concerned every time I see cannabis described as "safe", and I see the law as primarily in place to protect these people.
- Trying to interact with someone who's high in society is unpleasant at best. Granted it's not as bad as something like spice but any kind of rational discussion between citizens goes off the table when they're of their face, whether that be a deep and meaningful discussion on the pros or cons of Brexit or who's next in the queue at Greggs.
- Subjective of course, but it can lead to the kind of tourism I don't want. It's like the usual comments I hear about Amsterdam these days: Lovely city, but boy does it stink.
- It stinks.
- Neither do I buy the argument of "it's safer than alcohol". In some ways it may be, but I find that beside the point. Alcohol is a problem throughout the western world. It's out of control. But there's no way we can ban or prohibit it now because it's become fundamentally ingrained within the culture. I fear it becoming the same way with cannabis. Some will say it's already out of control, but that's not my experience of it - at least not to the same level as alcohol - and people should still be lauded (or rather not questioned) for keeping clear of it. It's the Pandora's Box argument: Once you've legalised it, you're stuck with it for good or for bad.
I should add that I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority among my age group (30s) and younger. I know many people want it legal in part so it can be taxed, and that's a good argument for it. There's also no doubt in my mind that medicinal usage, such as for that epileptic kid who got his cannabis from Holland recently, should be reviewed by the home office and rolled out in many cases where such treatment is better than the alternative, such as fitting or being in constant pain. But for general usage, my personal view is that the taxation and liberalism arguments don't outweigh the negatives.
posted on 2/10/18
I should add that, regardless of my views, I think it's only a matter of time until it does get legalised.
posted on 2/10/18
Yes cannabis should not be legalised anywhere in my view.
posted on 2/10/18
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 2/10/18
Keeping it illegal is not working, vast amounts are consumed anyway.
All those people who smoke it regardless of its legality will no longer be criminals which in turn frees up police time and prison space. Then there is the benefit to the public purse through taxation and the ability to regulate its sale.
Seems a no brainer to me.
posted on 2/10/18
So it won't be long before bods will be able to pop into the newsagents for a packet of 20 spliffs, with about 90% treasury tax revenue on them.
Who needs Europe eh?
posted on 2/10/18
comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 6 minutes ago
Sounds like a conspiracy that we haven’t utilised it before.
Whilst selling alcohol for £3 a litre
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its exactly what it is though. Deomized by Nixon and his nonsensical war on drugs to keep manufacturers happy cause hemp was a treat to multiple textile industries.
It kills literally zero people a year. Has ridiculous medical benefits and creates trade when legalized.
But should it be then education is the key. Clearly call out what you're putting into your body and the potential damage it can do to you, especialy mentally.
Tax it really high (pun intended) and people will still buy cause you can get the type that suits you best and you will know exactly whats in it.
The demand is so clearly there. Currently the stuff you get in uk and Ireland is essentially grown by Chinese gangs who traffic people in and keep them as slaves in grow houses till they pay off their debt for being smuggled over. Police time too is wasted busting jida with small amounts and putting people who were smuggled over in prison while the real perpetrators get away with it.
The pros so far outweigh the cons it's ridiculous its not happened yet.
posted on 2/10/18
Jida* meant kids
posted on 2/10/18
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 6 minutes ago
Sounds like a conspiracy that we haven’t utilised it before.
Whilst selling alcohol for £3 a litre
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its exactly what it is though. Deomized by Nixon and his nonsensical war on drugs to keep manufacturers happy cause hemp was a treat to multiple textile industries.
It kills literally zero people a year. Has ridiculous medical benefits and creates trade when legalized.
But should it be then education is the key. Clearly call out what you're putting into your body and the potential damage it can do to you, especialy mentally.
Tax it really high (pun intended) and people will still buy cause you can get the type that suits you best and you will know exactly whats in it.
The demand is so clearly there. Currently the stuff you get in uk and Ireland is essentially grown by Chinese gangs who traffic people in and keep them as slaves in grow houses till they pay off their debt for being smuggled over. Police time too is wasted busting jida with small amounts and putting people who were smuggled over in prison while the real perpetrators get away with it.
The pros so far outweigh the cons it's ridiculous its not happened yet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Think you're preaching to the converted with Shinji...
posted on 2/10/18
comment by The_Dungeon_Master (U4830)
posted 57 minutes ago
Personally I'm against it.
- While it has little to no lasting effects on some people, to others it devastates them, irreversibly. I don't buy the argument of "it was going to happen anyway" in all cases; I do believe there's almost certainly genetic weaknesses but stats suggest that there are also people who would go through life sane who otherwise wouldn't with cannabis. That's why I'm concerned every time I see cannabis described as "safe", and I see the law as primarily in place to protect these people.
- Trying to interact with someone who's high in society is unpleasant at best. Granted it's not as bad as something like spice but any kind of rational discussion between citizens goes off the table when they're of their face, whether that be a deep and meaningful discussion on the pros or cons of Brexit or who's next in the queue at Greggs.
- Subjective of course, but it can lead to the kind of tourism I don't want. It's like the usual comments I hear about Amsterdam these days: Lovely city, but boy does it stink.
- It stinks.
- Neither do I buy the argument of "it's safer than alcohol". In some ways it may be, but I find that beside the point. Alcohol is a problem throughout the western world. It's out of control. But there's no way we can ban or prohibit it now because it's become fundamentally ingrained within the culture. I fear it becoming the same way with cannabis. Some will say it's already out of control, but that's not my experience of it - at least not to the same level as alcohol - and people should still be lauded (or rather not questioned) for keeping clear of it. It's the Pandora's Box argument: Once you've legalised it, you're stuck with it for good or for bad.
I should add that I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority among my age group (30s) and younger. I know many people want it legal in part so it can be taxed, and that's a good argument for it. There's also no doubt in my mind that medicinal usage, such as for that epileptic kid who got his cannabis from Holland recently, should be reviewed by the home office and rolled out in many cases where such treatment is better than the alternative, such as fitting or being in constant pain. But for general usage, my personal view is that the taxation and liberalism arguments don't outweigh the negatives.
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Some fair points but on Amsterdam you're completley wrong.
Disagree too on alchocol weed is far far far less dangerous the facts are clearly out there. Booze destroys lives in so many ways that weed simply doesn't. The behavious on weed v drink are so different they're incomparable.
I do agree with you on the mental damages it can have on people, booze is the same. But you're actualy contributing to the problem by keeping it illegeal. Illegal weed can be sprayed with anything. The damaging effects therefore extend outside just mental problems, people can react to a pesticide used for example.
If it was legal the customer would know exactly what is in it and vendors would display information on the strain, what the high is like, what side effects or risks etc.
People use it all the time so why deny something that is less dangerous than plenty of legal vices?
posted on 2/10/18
TDM
Good to hear a different angle. I smoke it everyday if we’re putting cards on table. But the old slate/pollen not the green stuff. Which does stink. But that’s subjective. Although I don’t smoke the green stuff, I love the smell.
The medicinal purposes are crucial with cannabis. As you alluded to.
But putting that aside..
The alcohol consumption devastates the NHS year upon year in many forms.
Don’t see as many stoners beating their wives, crashing cars, fighting in the pub, generally abusing people.
And that’s the exponent.
Then you deal with the health problems of the alcoholics themselves.
You say alcohol is out of control and there’s no stopping it (which is pretty defeatist) but cannabis could dilute the alcoholic situation and slow down drinkers.
I would imagine it’s the lesser of the evils.
And then the tax and everything else.
More to say but I can’t be arszzed as I’ve just smoked one. Over to you.
posted on 2/10/18
comment by Cornelius Oofterom (U15867)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 6 minutes ago
Sounds like a conspiracy that we haven’t utilised it before.
Whilst selling alcohol for £3 a litre
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its exactly what it is though. Deomized by Nixon and his nonsensical war on drugs to keep manufacturers happy cause hemp was a treat to multiple textile industries.
It kills literally zero people a year. Has ridiculous medical benefits and creates trade when legalized.
But should it be then education is the key. Clearly call out what you're putting into your body and the potential damage it can do to you, especialy mentally.
Tax it really high (pun intended) and people will still buy cause you can get the type that suits you best and you will know exactly whats in it.
The demand is so clearly there. Currently the stuff you get in uk and Ireland is essentially grown by Chinese gangs who traffic people in and keep them as slaves in grow houses till they pay off their debt for being smuggled over. Police time too is wasted busting jida with small amounts and putting people who were smuggled over in prison while the real perpetrators get away with it.
The pros so far outweigh the cons it's ridiculous its not happened yet.
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Think you're preaching to the converted with Shinji...
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Didn’t see these as I was slowly typing a response
But knee you make some good points.
Police stopped caring about weed many years ago.
posted on 2/10/18
Canada has legalised it ,and it is on sale officially in Canada on the 17th of October,California (the 5th largest economy in the world(Canada is 7th I think) has also legalised it,for medicinal purposes, and soon to be recreational purposes also. Many other states in USA are intent on legalisation as well ,mostly because of the revenue that can be bought in,(taxes)and monies saved on overall law enforcement.
England has one of the biggest cannabis farms in Europe,if not THE biggest, Germany has become one of the biggest users(and importers) of cannabis in the world for medicinal purposes.
It's only a matter of time before it becomes recreational legal,and the medicinal benefits are enormous.
Get it on.
posted on 2/10/18
When you have so may states in the old backward USA making dispensaries legal and you see the UK humming and hawing, what country is backwards?
posted on 2/10/18
Also , when you consider that Coka Cola,Pepsi Cola ,Molson Coors and many other drinks companies are seriously considering the benefits of cannabioid infused drinks, it makes you realise that their is a huge market out their.
Traditional, old fashioned Britain, will slope along behind !
posted on 2/10/18
Roll on legalisation...
posted on 2/10/18
comment by ZahraIhsanphile (U20361)
posted 5 hours, 1 minute ago
Yes cannabis should not be legalised anywhere in my view.
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You still trying to arrange a marriage?
posted on 3/10/18
comment by I am just McCann these days, Unless I am pumpin ye and ye want to call me Daddy (U21454)
posted 14 hours, 1 minute ago
When you have so may states in the old backward USA making dispensaries legal and you see the UK humming and hawing, what country is backwards?
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There are many things legal in US we shouldn’t follow
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