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Drogba is my personal no1 striker in the PL era
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He's 27th in the list of all-time PL Goalscorers
He was a fantastic player for Chelsea and enjoyed great success but I don't really see how anyone can make a case for No. 1 Striker in the PL era
Even without the success that Drogba enjoyed, Shearer is the only contender surely.
He definitely shouldn't be ahead of Rooney, Henry, Cole or Aguero.
Drogba wouldn't even be in my top 5, possibly not even top 10.
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Peak Drogba > Peak Rooney and >>>>>>>> Peak Aguero.
There is simply no other striker in Premier League history who had the big game influence of Drogba.
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Complete and utter nonsense
Out of the 6 players I mentioned Drogba has scored the least goals and has the worst goals to appearance ratio.
Henry and Aguero alone average just shy of 0.7 goals per game.
Drogba's average was a little over 0.4 per game.
That statistic alone shows that those 2 players were/are 75% more likely to score than Drogba was.
In addition, Drogba is 5th out of 6 in assists so to try and argue he is more influential is complete folly.
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so you think goals and assists stats are all you need to consider? Now that really is complete and utter nonsense.
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I think it's a good place to start for a Striker
What evidence would you put forward to convince someone that Drogba was the best, or at least is was better than Henry, Aguero, Rooney, Cole or Shearer?
Make an argument.
Drogba was a fantastic and an influential player for Chelsea and he did some fantastic things in his career but he wasn't the best and certainly wasn't a better striker than any of the players I've mentioned.
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Drogba is my personal no1 striker in the PL era
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He's 27th in the list of all-time PL Goalscorers
He was a fantastic player for Chelsea and enjoyed great success but I don't really see how anyone can make a case for No. 1 Striker in the PL era
Even without the success that Drogba enjoyed, Shearer is the only contender surely.
He definitely shouldn't be ahead of Rooney, Henry, Cole or Aguero.
Drogba wouldn't even be in my top 5, possibly not even top 10.
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Peak Drogba > Peak Rooney and >>>>>>>> Peak Aguero.
There is simply no other striker in Premier League history who had the big game influence of Drogba.
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Complete and utter nonsense
Out of the 6 players I mentioned Drogba has scored the least goals and has the worst goals to appearance ratio.
Henry and Aguero alone average just shy of 0.7 goals per game.
Drogba's average was a little over 0.4 per game.
That statistic alone shows that those 2 players were/are 75% more likely to score than Drogba was.
In addition, Drogba is 5th out of 6 in assists so to try and argue he is more influential is complete folly.
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so you think goals and assists stats are all you need to consider? Now that really is complete and utter nonsense.
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I think it's a good place to start for a Striker
What evidence would you put forward to convince someone that Drogba was the best, or at least is was better than Henry, Aguero, Rooney, Cole or Shearer?
Make an argument.
Drogba was a fantastic and an influential player for Chelsea and he did some fantastic things in his career but he wasn't the best and certainly wasn't a better striker than any of the players I've mentioned.
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What evidence have you put forward exactly. you hand picked to of the most simplistic criterion and asserted your opinion as fact.
Well my opinion is that someone who evaluates football on such a simple basis has very little experience of playing the game at any level. That maybe down to age or just someone who was never really into playing the game. Either way your thoughts are naive and uninformed in the extreme..................................in my opinion..
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Drogba is my personal no1 striker in the PL era
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Well my opinion is that someone who evaluates football on such a simple basis has very little experience of playing the game at any level. That maybe down to age or just someone who was never really into playing the game. Either way your thoughts are naive and uninformed in the extreme..................................in my opinion..
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I have submitted evidence based on Goals scored, Goals per game ratio and assists which are all solid starting points to assess a striker's success and contribution
Those statistics do not support an argument for making Drogba the best Striker in PL era.
Are there other factors to consider? Absolutely
Would those factors support a case for the aforementioned argument? Not likely
I am not asserting anything as fact which is amply illustrated by my invitation to other people, yourself included, to offer their own viewpoint and give me a different perspective
You haven't done that
You resorted to ad-hominems and assumptions
I'm of the opinion that this is a poor debating technique, which calls me to wonder about your age and experience and really highlights your thoughts "as naïve and uninformed in the extreme......" in my opinion.
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Drogba is my personal no1 striker in the PL era
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Well my opinion is that someone who evaluates football on such a simple basis has very little experience of playing the game at any level. That maybe down to age or just someone who was never really into playing the game. Either way your thoughts are naive and uninformed in the extreme..................................in my opinion..
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I have submitted evidence based on Goals scored, Goals per game ratio and assists which are all solid starting points to assess a striker's success and contribution
Those statistics do not support an argument for making Drogba the best Striker in PL era.
Are there other factors to consider? Absolutely
Would those factors support a case for the aforementioned argument? Not likely
I am not asserting anything as fact which is amply illustrated by my invitation to other people, yourself included, to offer their own viewpoint and give me a different perspective
You haven't done that
You resorted to ad-hominems and assumptions
I'm of the opinion that this is a poor debating technique, which calls me to wonder about your age and experience and really highlights your thoughts "as naïve and uninformed in the extreme......" in my opinion.
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Above I have posted a much more detailed and extensive criteria which considers so much more about a striker or and relevant indeed player. Of course you chose to ignore that...............hmmm?
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Drogba is my personal no1 striker in the PL era
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He's 27th in the list of all-time PL Goalscorers
He was a fantastic player for Chelsea and enjoyed great success but I don't really see how anyone can make a case for No. 1 Striker in the PL era
Even without the success that Drogba enjoyed, Shearer is the only contender surely.
He definitely shouldn't be ahead of Rooney, Henry, Cole or Aguero.
Drogba wouldn't even be in my top 5, possibly not even top 10.
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Cole? Cole?!!!! Hahahahaha. Andy Cole was a slightly better morata. Missed absolute Hatfulls.
Drogba probably the most successful knock out player of pl era. 10 goals in 10 finals and lots of important goals along the way.
People also forget he was a lone striker and didn’t have sherginham and yorke or Owen had fowler or heskey. Infact drogba had to do both Owen and heskeys roles.
The fact that a more detailed evaluation criteria has not occurred to you suggests you have quite a experience/ knowledge void on this particular topic
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Above I have posted a much more detailed and extensive criteria which considers so much more about a striker or and relevant indeed player. Of course you chose to ignore that...............hmmm?
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Did you use that list to support an argument for Drogba being the best Striker in the PL era?
You didn't
I didn't respond because at this point it is just a list of criteria.
It isn't an argument and it doesn't illustrate why Drogba should be considered the best in PL era unless you provide the stats or your thoughts behind them.
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The fact that a more detailed evaluation criteria has not occurred to you suggests you have quite a experience/ knowledge void on this particular topic
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So because I haven't posted it means I haven't considered it
Did you miss my use of the phrase 'good place to start'?
Any intelligent person could easily infer from that, that I understand that there is more to it than goals and and assists
I have acknowledged several times that Drogba was a fantastic player. I just don't think he was the best.
At least I am trying to argue my point.
You stick to condescension. You seem to have a knack for it.
Drogba probably the most successful knock out player of pl era. 10 goals in 10 finals and lots of important goals along the way.
People also forget he was a lone striker and didn’t have sherginham and yorke or Owen had fowler or heskey. Infact drogba had to do both Owen and heskeys roles.
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All good points
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Above I have posted a much more detailed and extensive criteria which considers so much more about a striker or and relevant indeed player. Of course you chose to ignore that...............hmmm?
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Did you use that list to support an argument for Drogba being the best Striker in the PL era?
You didn't
I didn't respond because at this point it is just a list of criteria.
It isn't an argument and it doesn't illustrate why Drogba should be considered the best in PL era unless you provide the stats or your thoughts behind them.
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How can a wider and more extensive list be more supporting of a particular player versus your limited list of two criterion?
oh my days
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The fact that a more detailed evaluation criteria has not occurred to you suggests you have quite a experience/ knowledge void on this particular topic
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So because I haven't posted it means I haven't considered it
Did you miss my use of the phrase 'good place to start'?
Any intelligent person could easily infer from that, that I understand that there is more to it than goals and and assists
I have acknowledged several times that Drogba was a fantastic player. I just don't think he was the best.
At least I am trying to argue my point.
You stick to condescension. You seem to have a knack for it.
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you have stated a couple of stats that in isolation are at best weak but more realistically meaningless
If you have such a strong opinion on the likes of Andrew Cole then why not use a more detailed appraisal system to judge him?
But we both know the answer to that though
Always funny to see an argument about who was the best player.
As if there's a right answer and as if you're going to change each other's opinion.
Just like managers, us fans see players differently, so it's a waste of time.
I'd also point out the flaw in the comparisons:
Who would you choose from Yorke, Cole and Drogba to play in a Chelsea style 4-3-3 with one player leading the line?
Drogba.
Who would you choose from Yorke, Cole and Drogba to play in a United style 4-4-2 with two out and out strikers?
Probably Yorke and Cole.
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Always funny to see an argument about who was the best player.
As if there's a right answer and as if you're going to change each other's opinion.
Just like managers, us fans see players differently, so it's a waste of time.
I'd also point out the flaw in the comparisons:
Who would you choose from Yorke, Cole and Drogba to play in a Chelsea style 4-3-3 with one player leading the line?
Drogba.
Who would you choose from Yorke, Cole and Drogba to play in a United style 4-4-2 with two out and out strikers?
Probably Yorke and Cole.
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Valid point, but then you might be arguing for a pair of strikers rather than an individual?...................Possibly your point is more tactical?
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Absolutely, but I guess the point is that when you consider the value of a player, you have to take into account their place in the team and their role.
Cole and Drogba had very different roles and so I would tend to say that comparing them like for like is futile.
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How can a wider and more extensive list be more supporting of a particular player versus your limited list of two criterion?
oh my days
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My days indeed
I'll assume that you mean <not> more supporting but even so, you are completely missing the point
That list would be comprehensive if the stats were provided
All you did was provide a more extensive means to assess someone's worth which would indeed be more supporting is someone used it to base their argument on. I don't think I ever disputed that fact.
When all is said and done, all you did was provide the means for someone to expand on the basics I went with.
Maybe that was your only intention. Maybe you only disagree with my methods but I get the sense that you actually disagree with my opinion also.
If it is the former, then agreed.
A wider perspective is needed and you are right to point that out. I just don't appreciate the condescending manner in which you did it.
You can't just rely on goals and assists but as I pointed out previously, it is a good place to start when you consider a striker's primary role is to score goals.
If it is the latter then I would say that you haven't actually used those criteria to demonstrate why Drogba should be considered the best, which was the original point I was addressing.
If so answer me 2 questions
1. Do you think Drogba is the best Striker in the PL era?
2. If yes, why?
I am genuinely interested to know you feel that is the case.
I might not agree with your opinion but I can choose to respect it.
you have stated a couple of stats that in isolation are at best weak but more realistically meaningless
If you have such a strong opinion on the likes of Andrew Cole then why not use a more detailed appraisal system to judge him?
But we both know the answer to that though
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Goals scored and goals to game ratios are weak and meaningless when assessing a Striker's impact?
OK
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Always funny to see an argument about who was the best player.
As if there's a right answer and as if you're going to change each other's opinion.
Just like managers, us fans see players differently, so it's a waste of time.
I'd also point out the flaw in the comparisons:
Who would you choose from Yorke, Cole and Drogba to play in a Chelsea style 4-3-3 with one player leading the line?
Drogba.
Who would you choose from Yorke, Cole and Drogba to play in a United style 4-4-2 with two out and out strikers?
Probably Yorke and Cole.
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There is no right answer Winston
I am of the opinion that Drogba is not the best Striker of the PL era
Which is the point that I addressed originally with some basic stats to support my opinion
Someone seems to be more concerned that I didn't look at the height of the turf they were all playing on, than actually making an argument in favour of the original point.
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"There is no right answer Winston"
My sentiments exactly.
But sometimes you can't back things up with stats. Sometimes you just need to watch a player and form an opinion.
Granted, goals scored is a pretty important stat for strikers, but will of course be skewed by a number of things - time in league, injuries, team played in etc.
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you have stated a couple of stats that in isolation are at best weak but more realistically meaningless
If you have such a strong opinion on the likes of Andrew Cole then why not use a more detailed appraisal system to judge him?
But we both know the answer to that though
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Goals scored and goals to game ratios are weak and meaningless when assessing a Striker's impact?
OK
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You carefully ommited the key phrase in that post.........."in isolation"
You are so desperate here that you are being deceitful for all to see.................what a loser
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How can a wider and more extensive list be more supporting of a particular player versus your limited list of two criterion?
oh my days
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My days indeed
I'll assume that you mean <not> more supporting but even so, you are completely missing the point
That list would be comprehensive if the stats were provided
All you did was provide a more extensive means to assess someone's worth which would indeed be more supporting is someone used it to base their argument on. I don't think I ever disputed that fact.
When all is said and done, all you did was provide the means for someone to expand on the basics I went with.
Maybe that was your only intention. Maybe you only disagree with my methods but I get the sense that you actually disagree with my opinion also.
If it is the former, then agreed.
A wider perspective is needed and you are right to point that out. I just don't appreciate the condescending manner in which you did it.
You can't just rely on goals and assists but as I pointed out previously, it is a good place to start when you consider a striker's primary role is to score goals.
If it is the latter then I would say that you haven't actually used those criteria to demonstrate why Drogba should be considered the best, which was the original point I was addressing.
If so answer me 2 questions
1. Do you think Drogba is the best Striker in the PL era?
2. If yes, why?
I am genuinely interested to know you feel that is the case.
I might not agree with your opinion but I can choose to respect it.
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I certainly disagree with you on the following:
Your view that Cole was better than Drogba
Your stated evaluation method which is not only seriously limited but also only quantitative
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FishMCFC (U16301)
"There is no right answer Winston"
My sentiments exactly.
But sometimes you can't back things up with stats. Sometimes you just need to watch a player and form an opinion.
Granted, goals scored is a pretty important stat for strikers, but will of course be skewed by a number of things - time in league, injuries, team played in etc.
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Stats are helpful but of course they are not definitive.
That said, even taking all of the above into account I am still of the opinion that Didier Drogba is not the best Striker of the PL era.
Best Chelsea Striker of the PL era? Absolutely, 100%, followed closely by Haisselbank (is that the right spelling?).
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Drogba is my personal no1 striker in the PL era
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He's 27th in the list of all-time PL Goalscorers
He was a fantastic player for Chelsea and enjoyed great success but I don't really see how anyone can make a case for No. 1 Striker in the PL era
Even without the success that Drogba enjoyed, Shearer is the only contender surely.
He definitely shouldn't be ahead of Rooney, Henry, Cole or Aguero.
Drogba wouldn't even be in my top 5, possibly not even top 10.
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Peak Drogba > Peak Rooney and >>>>>>>> Peak Aguero.
There is simply no other striker in Premier League history who had the big game influence of Drogba.
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Complete and utter nonsense
Out of the 6 players I mentioned Drogba has scored the least goals and has the worst goals to appearance ratio.
Henry and Aguero alone average just shy of 0.7 goals per game.
Drogba's average was a little over 0.4 per game.
That statistic alone shows that those 2 players were/are 75% more likely to score than Drogba was.
In addition, Drogba is 5th out of 6 in assists so to try and argue he is more influential is complete folly.
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so you think goals and assists stats are all you need to consider? Now that really is complete and utter nonsense.
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I think it's a good place to start for a Striker
What evidence would you put forward to convince someone that Drogba was the best, or at least is was better than Henry, Aguero, Rooney, Cole or Shearer?
Make an argument.
Drogba was a fantastic and an influential player for Chelsea and he did some fantastic things in his career but he wasn't the best and certainly wasn't a better striker than any of the players I've mentioned.
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Drogba is my personal no1 striker in the PL era
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He's 27th in the list of all-time PL Goalscorers
He was a fantastic player for Chelsea and enjoyed great success but I don't really see how anyone can make a case for No. 1 Striker in the PL era
Even without the success that Drogba enjoyed, Shearer is the only contender surely.
He definitely shouldn't be ahead of Rooney, Henry, Cole or Aguero.
Drogba wouldn't even be in my top 5, possibly not even top 10.
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Peak Drogba > Peak Rooney and >>>>>>>> Peak Aguero.
There is simply no other striker in Premier League history who had the big game influence of Drogba.
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Complete and utter nonsense
Out of the 6 players I mentioned Drogba has scored the least goals and has the worst goals to appearance ratio.
Henry and Aguero alone average just shy of 0.7 goals per game.
Drogba's average was a little over 0.4 per game.
That statistic alone shows that those 2 players were/are 75% more likely to score than Drogba was.
In addition, Drogba is 5th out of 6 in assists so to try and argue he is more influential is complete folly.
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so you think goals and assists stats are all you need to consider? Now that really is complete and utter nonsense.
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I think it's a good place to start for a Striker
What evidence would you put forward to convince someone that Drogba was the best, or at least is was better than Henry, Aguero, Rooney, Cole or Shearer?
Make an argument.
Drogba was a fantastic and an influential player for Chelsea and he did some fantastic things in his career but he wasn't the best and certainly wasn't a better striker than any of the players I've mentioned.
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What evidence have you put forward exactly. you hand picked to of the most simplistic criterion and asserted your opinion as fact.
Well my opinion is that someone who evaluates football on such a simple basis has very little experience of playing the game at any level. That maybe down to age or just someone who was never really into playing the game. Either way your thoughts are naive and uninformed in the extreme..................................in my opinion..
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Drogba is my personal no1 striker in the PL era
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Well my opinion is that someone who evaluates football on such a simple basis has very little experience of playing the game at any level. That maybe down to age or just someone who was never really into playing the game. Either way your thoughts are naive and uninformed in the extreme..................................in my opinion..
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I have submitted evidence based on Goals scored, Goals per game ratio and assists which are all solid starting points to assess a striker's success and contribution
Those statistics do not support an argument for making Drogba the best Striker in PL era.
Are there other factors to consider? Absolutely
Would those factors support a case for the aforementioned argument? Not likely
I am not asserting anything as fact which is amply illustrated by my invitation to other people, yourself included, to offer their own viewpoint and give me a different perspective
You haven't done that
You resorted to ad-hominems and assumptions
I'm of the opinion that this is a poor debating technique, which calls me to wonder about your age and experience and really highlights your thoughts "as naïve and uninformed in the extreme......" in my opinion.
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Drogba is my personal no1 striker in the PL era
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Well my opinion is that someone who evaluates football on such a simple basis has very little experience of playing the game at any level. That maybe down to age or just someone who was never really into playing the game. Either way your thoughts are naive and uninformed in the extreme..................................in my opinion..
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I have submitted evidence based on Goals scored, Goals per game ratio and assists which are all solid starting points to assess a striker's success and contribution
Those statistics do not support an argument for making Drogba the best Striker in PL era.
Are there other factors to consider? Absolutely
Would those factors support a case for the aforementioned argument? Not likely
I am not asserting anything as fact which is amply illustrated by my invitation to other people, yourself included, to offer their own viewpoint and give me a different perspective
You haven't done that
You resorted to ad-hominems and assumptions
I'm of the opinion that this is a poor debating technique, which calls me to wonder about your age and experience and really highlights your thoughts "as naïve and uninformed in the extreme......" in my opinion.
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Above I have posted a much more detailed and extensive criteria which considers so much more about a striker or and relevant indeed player. Of course you chose to ignore that...............hmmm?
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Drogba is my personal no1 striker in the PL era
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He's 27th in the list of all-time PL Goalscorers
He was a fantastic player for Chelsea and enjoyed great success but I don't really see how anyone can make a case for No. 1 Striker in the PL era
Even without the success that Drogba enjoyed, Shearer is the only contender surely.
He definitely shouldn't be ahead of Rooney, Henry, Cole or Aguero.
Drogba wouldn't even be in my top 5, possibly not even top 10.
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Cole? Cole?!!!! Hahahahaha. Andy Cole was a slightly better morata. Missed absolute Hatfulls.
Drogba probably the most successful knock out player of pl era. 10 goals in 10 finals and lots of important goals along the way.
People also forget he was a lone striker and didn’t have sherginham and yorke or Owen had fowler or heskey. Infact drogba had to do both Owen and heskeys roles.
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The fact that a more detailed evaluation criteria has not occurred to you suggests you have quite a experience/ knowledge void on this particular topic
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Above I have posted a much more detailed and extensive criteria which considers so much more about a striker or and relevant indeed player. Of course you chose to ignore that...............hmmm?
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Did you use that list to support an argument for Drogba being the best Striker in the PL era?
You didn't
I didn't respond because at this point it is just a list of criteria.
It isn't an argument and it doesn't illustrate why Drogba should be considered the best in PL era unless you provide the stats or your thoughts behind them.
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The fact that a more detailed evaluation criteria has not occurred to you suggests you have quite a experience/ knowledge void on this particular topic
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So because I haven't posted it means I haven't considered it
Did you miss my use of the phrase 'good place to start'?
Any intelligent person could easily infer from that, that I understand that there is more to it than goals and and assists
I have acknowledged several times that Drogba was a fantastic player. I just don't think he was the best.
At least I am trying to argue my point.
You stick to condescension. You seem to have a knack for it.
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Drogba probably the most successful knock out player of pl era. 10 goals in 10 finals and lots of important goals along the way.
People also forget he was a lone striker and didn’t have sherginham and yorke or Owen had fowler or heskey. Infact drogba had to do both Owen and heskeys roles.
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All good points
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Above I have posted a much more detailed and extensive criteria which considers so much more about a striker or and relevant indeed player. Of course you chose to ignore that...............hmmm?
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Did you use that list to support an argument for Drogba being the best Striker in the PL era?
You didn't
I didn't respond because at this point it is just a list of criteria.
It isn't an argument and it doesn't illustrate why Drogba should be considered the best in PL era unless you provide the stats or your thoughts behind them.
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How can a wider and more extensive list be more supporting of a particular player versus your limited list of two criterion?
oh my days
posted on 23/11/18
comment by FishMCFC (U16301)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 7 minutes ago
The fact that a more detailed evaluation criteria has not occurred to you suggests you have quite a experience/ knowledge void on this particular topic
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So because I haven't posted it means I haven't considered it
Did you miss my use of the phrase 'good place to start'?
Any intelligent person could easily infer from that, that I understand that there is more to it than goals and and assists
I have acknowledged several times that Drogba was a fantastic player. I just don't think he was the best.
At least I am trying to argue my point.
You stick to condescension. You seem to have a knack for it.
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you have stated a couple of stats that in isolation are at best weak but more realistically meaningless
If you have such a strong opinion on the likes of Andrew Cole then why not use a more detailed appraisal system to judge him?
But we both know the answer to that though
posted on 23/11/18
Always funny to see an argument about who was the best player.
As if there's a right answer and as if you're going to change each other's opinion.
Just like managers, us fans see players differently, so it's a waste of time.
I'd also point out the flaw in the comparisons:
Who would you choose from Yorke, Cole and Drogba to play in a Chelsea style 4-3-3 with one player leading the line?
Drogba.
Who would you choose from Yorke, Cole and Drogba to play in a United style 4-4-2 with two out and out strikers?
Probably Yorke and Cole.
posted on 23/11/18
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 17 seconds ago
Always funny to see an argument about who was the best player.
As if there's a right answer and as if you're going to change each other's opinion.
Just like managers, us fans see players differently, so it's a waste of time.
I'd also point out the flaw in the comparisons:
Who would you choose from Yorke, Cole and Drogba to play in a Chelsea style 4-3-3 with one player leading the line?
Drogba.
Who would you choose from Yorke, Cole and Drogba to play in a United style 4-4-2 with two out and out strikers?
Probably Yorke and Cole.
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Valid point, but then you might be arguing for a pair of strikers rather than an individual?...................Possibly your point is more tactical?
posted on 23/11/18
SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
Absolutely, but I guess the point is that when you consider the value of a player, you have to take into account their place in the team and their role.
Cole and Drogba had very different roles and so I would tend to say that comparing them like for like is futile.
posted on 23/11/18
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How can a wider and more extensive list be more supporting of a particular player versus your limited list of two criterion?
oh my days
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My days indeed
I'll assume that you mean <not> more supporting but even so, you are completely missing the point
That list would be comprehensive if the stats were provided
All you did was provide a more extensive means to assess someone's worth which would indeed be more supporting is someone used it to base their argument on. I don't think I ever disputed that fact.
When all is said and done, all you did was provide the means for someone to expand on the basics I went with.
Maybe that was your only intention. Maybe you only disagree with my methods but I get the sense that you actually disagree with my opinion also.
If it is the former, then agreed.
A wider perspective is needed and you are right to point that out. I just don't appreciate the condescending manner in which you did it.
You can't just rely on goals and assists but as I pointed out previously, it is a good place to start when you consider a striker's primary role is to score goals.
If it is the latter then I would say that you haven't actually used those criteria to demonstrate why Drogba should be considered the best, which was the original point I was addressing.
If so answer me 2 questions
1. Do you think Drogba is the best Striker in the PL era?
2. If yes, why?
I am genuinely interested to know you feel that is the case.
I might not agree with your opinion but I can choose to respect it.
posted on 23/11/18
you have stated a couple of stats that in isolation are at best weak but more realistically meaningless
If you have such a strong opinion on the likes of Andrew Cole then why not use a more detailed appraisal system to judge him?
But we both know the answer to that though
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Goals scored and goals to game ratios are weak and meaningless when assessing a Striker's impact?
OK
posted on 23/11/18
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 25 minutes ago
Always funny to see an argument about who was the best player.
As if there's a right answer and as if you're going to change each other's opinion.
Just like managers, us fans see players differently, so it's a waste of time.
I'd also point out the flaw in the comparisons:
Who would you choose from Yorke, Cole and Drogba to play in a Chelsea style 4-3-3 with one player leading the line?
Drogba.
Who would you choose from Yorke, Cole and Drogba to play in a United style 4-4-2 with two out and out strikers?
Probably Yorke and Cole.
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There is no right answer Winston
I am of the opinion that Drogba is not the best Striker of the PL era
Which is the point that I addressed originally with some basic stats to support my opinion
Someone seems to be more concerned that I didn't look at the height of the turf they were all playing on, than actually making an argument in favour of the original point.
posted on 23/11/18
FishMCFC (U16301)
"There is no right answer Winston"
My sentiments exactly.
But sometimes you can't back things up with stats. Sometimes you just need to watch a player and form an opinion.
Granted, goals scored is a pretty important stat for strikers, but will of course be skewed by a number of things - time in league, injuries, team played in etc.
posted on 23/11/18
comment by FishMCFC (U16301)
posted 10 minutes ago
you have stated a couple of stats that in isolation are at best weak but more realistically meaningless
If you have such a strong opinion on the likes of Andrew Cole then why not use a more detailed appraisal system to judge him?
But we both know the answer to that though
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Goals scored and goals to game ratios are weak and meaningless when assessing a Striker's impact?
OK
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You carefully ommited the key phrase in that post.........."in isolation"
You are so desperate here that you are being deceitful for all to see.................what a loser
posted on 23/11/18
comment by FishMCFC (U16301)
posted 17 minutes ago
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How can a wider and more extensive list be more supporting of a particular player versus your limited list of two criterion?
oh my days
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My days indeed
I'll assume that you mean <not> more supporting but even so, you are completely missing the point
That list would be comprehensive if the stats were provided
All you did was provide a more extensive means to assess someone's worth which would indeed be more supporting is someone used it to base their argument on. I don't think I ever disputed that fact.
When all is said and done, all you did was provide the means for someone to expand on the basics I went with.
Maybe that was your only intention. Maybe you only disagree with my methods but I get the sense that you actually disagree with my opinion also.
If it is the former, then agreed.
A wider perspective is needed and you are right to point that out. I just don't appreciate the condescending manner in which you did it.
You can't just rely on goals and assists but as I pointed out previously, it is a good place to start when you consider a striker's primary role is to score goals.
If it is the latter then I would say that you haven't actually used those criteria to demonstrate why Drogba should be considered the best, which was the original point I was addressing.
If so answer me 2 questions
1. Do you think Drogba is the best Striker in the PL era?
2. If yes, why?
I am genuinely interested to know you feel that is the case.
I might not agree with your opinion but I can choose to respect it.
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I certainly disagree with you on the following:
Your view that Cole was better than Drogba
Your stated evaluation method which is not only seriously limited but also only quantitative
posted on 23/11/18
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
FishMCFC (U16301)
"There is no right answer Winston"
My sentiments exactly.
But sometimes you can't back things up with stats. Sometimes you just need to watch a player and form an opinion.
Granted, goals scored is a pretty important stat for strikers, but will of course be skewed by a number of things - time in league, injuries, team played in etc.
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Stats are helpful but of course they are not definitive.
That said, even taking all of the above into account I am still of the opinion that Didier Drogba is not the best Striker of the PL era.
Best Chelsea Striker of the PL era? Absolutely, 100%, followed closely by Haisselbank (is that the right spelling?).
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