comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 8 seconds ago
Most successful, Jose.

There isn't a debate. Anyone who says differently is being stupid.

Now if you want to talk about who plays the better football and is much better at man management then Klopp will win.
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United are 8th if he retired now. Plus no one cares about the mickey mouse trophies he won

Obviously Mourinho.

Problem is, we'll all be pretty to have Klopp right now as our Manager...

comment by Rouge (U19907)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 8 seconds ago
Most successful, Jose.

There isn't a debate. Anyone who says differently is being stupid.

Now if you want to talk about who plays the better football and is much better at man management then Klopp will win.
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United are 8th if he retired now. Plus no one cares about the mickey mouse trophies he won
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7th

comment by Rouge (U19907)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 8 seconds ago
Most successful, Jose.

There isn't a debate. Anyone who says differently is being stupid.

Now if you want to talk about who plays the better football and is much better at man management then Klopp will win.
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United are 8th if he retired now. Plus no one cares about the mickey mouse trophies he won
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In that case you've won 1 trophy of note in nearly 30 yrs
What would you rather have won in the last 3 years
2 trophies consisting of the LC and Europa league
Or
Zero trophies

Klopps spent so much yet his squad still cost less than Utds Chelseas and 230m less than Cities. Also spent so much whilst spending literally fack all of the club/owners money cause hes recouped most of it with his success and the sales of players.

So you can keep chucking hes spent loads and won nothing all you want if it makes you feel better, fact is he shouldn't be expected to win trophies over atleast 3 other teams in the league anyway.

comment by Rouge (U19907)
posted 5 minutes ago
Klopp. United are regressing
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You can not argue with that......

comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Rouge (U19907)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 8 seconds ago
Most successful, Jose.

There isn't a debate. Anyone who says differently is being stupid.

Now if you want to talk about who plays the better football and is much better at man management then Klopp will win.
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United are 8th if he retired now. Plus no one cares about the mickey mouse trophies he won
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In that case you've won 1 trophy of note in nearly 30 yrs
What would you rather have won in the last 3 years
2 trophies consisting of the LC and Europa league
Or
Zero trophies
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Add on there the current and projected league positions.. and players said to be signed up to long contracts and leaving the club.

you cant define their success on what they leave behind as someone has to come in and build on it which will be as much a testament to the new manager as it is the former.

quite clearly you would say Jose took a team that had finished in 5th, won two minor trophies and his last year finished second with 3/4 of season less than Klopp

comment by Benji Veniamin (U19953)
posted 27 seconds ago
you cant define their success on what they leave behind as someone has to come in and build on it which will be as much a testament to the new manager as it is the former.

quite clearly you would say Jose took a team that had finished in 5th, won two minor trophies and his last year finished second with 3/4 of season less than Klopp
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Granted, with a much more costly squad, higher wage bill and a better squad than what Klopp took over, without losing any key players etc and much easier opponents and routes in both cups.

comment by TTliv87 (U11882)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Klopp - Being CL final losers is a bigger achievement than being the Euro B cup winners.
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Would you rather lose the FA Cup final than win the League Cup too?

comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Benji Veniamin (U19953)
posted 27 seconds ago
you cant define their success on what they leave behind as someone has to come in and build on it which will be as much a testament to the new manager as it is the former.

quite clearly you would say Jose took a team that had finished in 5th, won two minor trophies and his last year finished second with 3/4 of season less than Klopp
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Granted, with a much more costly squad, higher wage bill and a better squad than what Klopp took over, without losing any key players etc and much easier opponents and routes in both cups.
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you keep bleating on about "easy routes"

all teams start in the comp, if the "harder" teams lose to these "easy" teams then clearly youve had to beat the teams that knocked out the "hard" teams to win it?

comment by Darkphoenix (U11503)
posted 27 minutes ago
Obviously Mourinho.

Problem is, we'll all be pretty to have Klopp right now as our Manager...
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i dont know if thats true if im honest.

he is starting to look like more hype than substance. what he did at dortmund was commendable but dortmund are again flying. it may of been more to do with the back office technical directors and academy staff than him.

its been a long time since he won anything and his record in finals is abysmal.

for all the talk of Jose has lost it, hasnt been as long for him and hes still picked up other trophies along the way. think there are much better options imo than the overrated one.

comment by Benji Veniamin (U19953)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Darkphoenix (U11503)
posted 27 minutes ago
Obviously Mourinho.

Problem is, we'll all be pretty to have Klopp right now as our Manager...
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i dont know if thats true if im honest.

he is starting to look like more hype than substance. what he did at dortmund was commendable but dortmund are again flying. it may of been more to do with the back office technical directors and academy staff than him.

its been a long time since he won anything and his record in finals is abysmal.

for all the talk of Jose has lost it, hasnt been as long for him and hes still picked up other trophies along the way. think there are much better options imo than the overrated one.
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but atleast he gets to finals and in 90 % of them his teams probably been underdogs where as Mourinhos probably been the favourite in 90% of his.

Even vs Seville, a team that had massive experience and were doing well in la liga and went on to the knockouts in the CL the following year. Compare that to Ajax for example.

comment by Rouge (U19907)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 8 seconds ago
Most successful, Jose.

There isn't a debate. Anyone who says differently is being stupid.

Now if you want to talk about who plays the better football and is much better at man management then Klopp will win.
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United are 8th if he retired now. Plus no one cares about the mickey mouse trophies he won
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Well, the record books care. They say Jose has won two trophies in less time at United and Klopp has won zilch at the dips.

But, I congratulate you on being stupid. Well done kid.

so its a success to spend what he has and just get to finals and be an also ran?

in any sport, success is defined by trophies and titles.

you can make as many qualitative arguments about "potential" and "prospective" league finishes etc

but if the curtain came down today for both Jose has outperformed Klopp in both trophies and league finishes.

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comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 10 minutes ago

Granted, with a much more costly squad, higher wage bill and a better squad than what Klopp took over, without losing any key players etc and much easier opponents and routes in both cups.

and yet Ranieri spent less, had a lower wage bill and a worse squad than Klopp but won the league.

From what i remember klopps finals been 3 against bayern for dortmund? real madrid sevilla and probably the only one he was favourite for vs wolfsburg? but idr what year that was couldve been the year they won the bundesliga. oh and lost to City in the league cup on pens. with andy carroll upfront was it?

Mourinhos utd vs Ajax and Southampton was it?

comment by Benji Veniamin (U19953)
posted 13 minutes ago
you cant define their success on what they leave behind as someone has to come in and build on it which will be as much a testament to the new manager as it is the former.

quite clearly you would say Jose took a team that had finished in 5th, won two minor trophies and his last year finished second with 3/4 of season less than Klopp
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Why not? if they both left tomorrow then Klopp leaves Liverpool in a stronger position then when he arrived, Jose leaves United weaker.

If trophies are the only answer here then I don't see why you created the article.

comment by Benji Veniamin (U19953)
posted 1 minute ago
so its a success to spend what he has and just get to finals and be an also ran?

in any sport, success is defined by trophies and titles.

you can make as many qualitative arguments about "potential" and "prospective" league finishes etc

but if the curtain came down today for both Jose has outperformed Klopp in both trophies and league finishes.

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comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 10 minutes ago

Granted, with a much more costly squad, higher wage bill and a better squad than what Klopp took over, without losing any key players etc and much easier opponents and routes in both cups.

and yet Ranieri spent less, had a lower wage bill and a worse squad than Klopp but won the league.
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he did an unexpected miracle of sorts, can happen.

comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Benji Veniamin (U19953)
posted 13 minutes ago
you cant define their success on what they leave behind as someone has to come in and build on it which will be as much a testament to the new manager as it is the former.

quite clearly you would say Jose took a team that had finished in 5th, won two minor trophies and his last year finished second with 3/4 of season less than Klopp
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Why not? if they both left tomorrow then Klopp leaves Liverpool in a stronger position then when he arrived, Jose leaves United weaker.

If trophies are the only answer here then I don't see why you created the article.
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^ This.

Judging by silverware it's obviously Jose. Judging by taking the team forward from where it was to a higher level, it has to be Klopp.

comment by Inbefore (U20589)

posted 1 minute ago

From what i remember klopps finals been 3 against bayern for dortmund? real madrid sevilla and probably the only one he was favourite for vs wolfsburg? but idr what year that was couldve been the year they won the bundesliga. oh and lost to City in the league cup on pens. with andy carroll upfront was it?

Mourinhos utd vs Ajax and Southampton was it?
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That's right. But we'd already knocked out City and Southampton had already knocked out Liverpool, so....

comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 5 minutes ago
From what i remember klopps finals been 3 against bayern for dortmund? real madrid sevilla and probably the only one he was favourite for vs wolfsburg? but idr what year that was couldve been the year they won the bundesliga. oh and lost to City in the league cup on pens. with andy carroll upfront was it?

Mourinhos utd vs Ajax and Southampton was it?
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The same southampton that knocked liverpool out

comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 5 minutes ago
From what i remember klopps finals been 3 against bayern for dortmund? real madrid sevilla and probably the only one he was favourite for vs wolfsburg? but idr what year that was couldve been the year they won the bundesliga. oh and lost to City in the league cup on pens. with andy carroll upfront was it?

Mourinhos utd vs Ajax and Southampton was it?
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The same southampton that knocked liverpool out
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yeah they did, deservedly over 2 legs, were unlucky to lose the final too if i remember correctly. But thats cup footy, luck of the draw/day.

On paper, Jose


Potentially, Clipperty.

Jose been more successful but I'd rather have Klopp at United.