comment by Inbefore (U20589)
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comment by Manc Python (U17527)
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comment by Inbefore (U20589)
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From what i remember klopps finals been 3 against bayern for dortmund? real madrid sevilla and probably the only one he was favourite for vs wolfsburg? but idr what year that was couldve been the year they won the bundesliga. oh and lost to City in the league cup on pens. with andy carroll upfront was it?
Mourinhos utd vs Ajax and Southampton was it?
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The same southampton that knocked liverpool out
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yeah they did, deservedly over 2 legs, were unlucky to lose the final too if i remember correctly. But thats cup footy, luck of the draw/day.
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And klopp hasn't been good enough in any of his finals. In fact in the big games he has been completely outplayed
What a desperate article.🤣
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 9 minutes ago
What a desperate article.🤣
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Look who's penned it.
Benji trying to give himself something to be cheerful about.
Well obviously Jose, but that is entirely irrelevant. He has generally been fortunate enough to manage much better players
The team he had at Chelsea was the best any epl team has collected (and most were not his signings). In Spain and Italy it was the same - can't really decidedecide one way of the other upon that porto side. Maybe they were just in the right place at the right time.
The opposite situation at United, he has inherited garbage. Martial and Rashford, for example, have nothing in them to scare any competent defender. And he arrived at a time when the club had no full backs wingers or a centre forward. Ludicrous.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 9 minutes ago
What a desperate article.🤣
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Look who's penned it.
Benji trying to give himself something to be cheerful about.
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hardly
just pointing out that while you delusional lot cling to "next year" your messiah hasnt even outperformed Jose.
shows the relevant expectations of each club
This is indeed rather desperate.
I never knew it was possible to hear cracks being papered over all the way from over the other side of the Atlantic
comment by IAmMe (U18491)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
Well obviously Jose, but that is entirely irrelevant. He has generally been fortunate enough to manage much better players
The team he had at Chelsea was the best any epl team has collected (and most were not his signings). In Spain and Italy it was the same - can't really decidedecide one way of the other upon that porto side. Maybe they were just in the right place at the right time.
The opposite situation at United, he has inherited garbage. Martial and Rashford, for example, have nothing in them to scare any competent defender. And he arrived at a time when the club had no full backs wingers or a centre forward. Ludicrous.
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And the best goalkeeper in the world, at the time, and Lingard, Mata and Rooney. Okay, I'll give you the last one. But he inherited a lot more than Klopp did at Liverpool.
Btw, I'd love to see what Klopp could do with both Rashford and, especially, Martial if you don't want them.
how do two luck of the draw cup wins that any manager would have won make mourinho a success with utd.
klopp has brought so much more to liverpool.
mo has make utd a shadow of their former selves.
I'm going to try to answer the question without club bias.
To deem who was a success, it would depend on the expectations of the board and fans.
Klopp despite not winning anything has, sort of met them at Liverpool.
Jose, despite winning trophies, hasn't.
Klopp took over Liverpool as they had fallen away. His job was to take them back to the top four and eventually challenge for the title.
Jose's job was to challenge for the title, though the board would seem happy with top four. He has only managed top four once in the two full seasons in charge and doesn't look like he will make it in his third.
The expectations of the fans haven't been met.
In this regard, Jose has failed and Klopp succeeded. If we were to go by trophies won then Jose wins hands down. But success is relative to what is expected. Success at Huddersfield is keeping them in the PL. Success at United is winning the PL/CL. The others are nice but not as big as those two.
Brutally honest some of the mancs on this thread. Refreshing.
Silly question, Jose by a countrymile. See how much better Dortmund are doing since Klippoty left. Klopp is a very overrated manager.
With the resources available to them, klopp has performed better.
Jose won two trophies (which klopp got to the final of the year before) but in doing so he had an easier tournament in the Europa and a much more expensive squad to do it with.
Scousers forget some of their European wins they always like to tell us about were some of the easiest run you could get. All about luck of the draw in Europe
Not really up for debate is it? Nobody remembers sides that don't win torphies at clubs like United and Liverpool.
Hardly proves anything though,we jsoudknt be comparing ourselves to a side who haven't won anything for bets part of a decade.
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Can't argue if you're a fan and Klop is your manager you'd understandably love him. He's an attacking coach, he's hip and he seems a nice, fun guy.
Liverpool are great for him though, expectancy is low like his time at dortmund.
Klopp’s time at Liverpool is kind of similar to Wengers period from 2006- 2011. Arsenal played some great entertaining football, finished higher in league than many would expect With the squad, even put in the odd decent title challenge, and got to CL final. But yet, always crumbled when it really mattered, and won nothing. I enjoyed our football during that period, but still got very frustrating it never lead to a trophy, not even one of the smaller ones. After a while players got fed up with lack of trophies and our better players started leaving, with having no money to spend, we gradually got worse. Success in football (especially with big teams) is ultimately shown by what you’ve won. Klopp really needs to start returning trophies this season, and certainly next year.
He’s done a good job with Liverpool, and got them in much better shape than when he found them. But the longer he wins nothing the more his time at the club will be judged less favourably. Having said that, currently I’d rather have Klopp, because he looks to be heading in a positive direction. But that has to be backed up with trophies in next year or so
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 11 minutes ago
Can't argue if you're a fan and Klop is your manager you'd understandably love him. He's an attacking coach, he's hip and he seems a nice, fun guy.
Liverpool are great for him though, expectancy is low like his time at dortmund.
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as far as expectancy goes, Klopp has raised Liverpool fans expectations while Mourinho has lowered those of Man Utd fans.
There is no doubt that should both resign, Man Utd would approach Klopp to be their latest manager.
Didn't klopp bottle taking the utd job already
I doubt if the club would approach him again
But the again its Ed so who knows
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 6 minutes ago
Didn't klopp bottle taking the utd job already
I doubt if the club would approach him again
But the again its Ed so who knows
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You mean Man Utd already approached Klopp before Mourinho?
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 6 hours, 49 minutes ago
how do two luck of the draw cup wins that any manager would have won make mourinho a success with utd.
klopp has brought so much more to liverpool.
mo has make utd a shadow of their former selves.
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I think we had a fairly easy passage in the Europa, but in the cup we beat City and also Southampton, who had earlier knocked out Liverpool. We also beat West Ham on the way, so 3 PL teams. That isn't an easy draw.
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 11 minutes ago
Can't argue if you're a fan and Klop is your manager you'd understandably love him. He's an attacking coach, he's hip and he seems a nice, fun guy.
Liverpool are great for him though, expectancy is low like his time at dortmund.
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as far as expectancy goes, Klopp has raised Liverpool fans expectations while Mourinho has lowered those of Man Utd fans.
There is no doubt that should both resign, Man Utd would approach Klopp to be their latest manager.
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How has Jose lowered our expectations when we are all calling for him to get the sack due to the terrible football and poor results? If he had lowered our expectations then we would all be say here happy wouldn't we? Think before you type.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 6 hours, 49 minutes ago
how do two luck of the draw cup wins that any manager would have won make mourinho a success with utd.
klopp has brought so much more to liverpool.
mo has make utd a shadow of their former selves.
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I think we had a fairly easy passage in the Europa, but in the cup we beat City and also Southampton, who had earlier knocked out Liverpool. We also beat West Ham on the way, so 3 PL teams. That isn't an easy draw.
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Fair enough, but the year before we had Bournemouth, Southampton, stoke, man city. That's 4 premier league teams. I don't think there is much in it on the league cup but we certainly had a harder Europa run.
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posted on 25/11/18
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 5 minutes ago
From what i remember klopps finals been 3 against bayern for dortmund? real madrid sevilla and probably the only one he was favourite for vs wolfsburg? but idr what year that was couldve been the year they won the bundesliga. oh and lost to City in the league cup on pens. with andy carroll upfront was it?
Mourinhos utd vs Ajax and Southampton was it?
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The same southampton that knocked liverpool out
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yeah they did, deservedly over 2 legs, were unlucky to lose the final too if i remember correctly. But thats cup footy, luck of the draw/day.
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And klopp hasn't been good enough in any of his finals. In fact in the big games he has been completely outplayed
posted on 25/11/18
What a desperate article.🤣
posted on 25/11/18
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 9 minutes ago
What a desperate article.🤣
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Look who's penned it.
Benji trying to give himself something to be cheerful about.
posted on 25/11/18
Well obviously Jose, but that is entirely irrelevant. He has generally been fortunate enough to manage much better players
The team he had at Chelsea was the best any epl team has collected (and most were not his signings). In Spain and Italy it was the same - can't really decidedecide one way of the other upon that porto side. Maybe they were just in the right place at the right time.
The opposite situation at United, he has inherited garbage. Martial and Rashford, for example, have nothing in them to scare any competent defender. And he arrived at a time when the club had no full backs wingers or a centre forward. Ludicrous.
posted on 26/11/18
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 9 minutes ago
What a desperate article.🤣
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Look who's penned it.
Benji trying to give himself something to be cheerful about.
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hardly
just pointing out that while you delusional lot cling to "next year" your messiah hasnt even outperformed Jose.
shows the relevant expectations of each club
posted on 26/11/18
This is indeed rather desperate.
posted on 26/11/18
I never knew it was possible to hear cracks being papered over all the way from over the other side of the Atlantic
posted on 26/11/18
comment by IAmMe (U18491)
posted 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
Well obviously Jose, but that is entirely irrelevant. He has generally been fortunate enough to manage much better players
The team he had at Chelsea was the best any epl team has collected (and most were not his signings). In Spain and Italy it was the same - can't really decidedecide one way of the other upon that porto side. Maybe they were just in the right place at the right time.
The opposite situation at United, he has inherited garbage. Martial and Rashford, for example, have nothing in them to scare any competent defender. And he arrived at a time when the club had no full backs wingers or a centre forward. Ludicrous.
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And the best goalkeeper in the world, at the time, and Lingard, Mata and Rooney. Okay, I'll give you the last one. But he inherited a lot more than Klopp did at Liverpool.
posted on 26/11/18
Btw, I'd love to see what Klopp could do with both Rashford and, especially, Martial if you don't want them.
posted on 26/11/18
how do two luck of the draw cup wins that any manager would have won make mourinho a success with utd.
klopp has brought so much more to liverpool.
mo has make utd a shadow of their former selves.
posted on 26/11/18
I'm going to try to answer the question without club bias.
To deem who was a success, it would depend on the expectations of the board and fans.
Klopp despite not winning anything has, sort of met them at Liverpool.
Jose, despite winning trophies, hasn't.
Klopp took over Liverpool as they had fallen away. His job was to take them back to the top four and eventually challenge for the title.
Jose's job was to challenge for the title, though the board would seem happy with top four. He has only managed top four once in the two full seasons in charge and doesn't look like he will make it in his third.
The expectations of the fans haven't been met.
In this regard, Jose has failed and Klopp succeeded. If we were to go by trophies won then Jose wins hands down. But success is relative to what is expected. Success at Huddersfield is keeping them in the PL. Success at United is winning the PL/CL. The others are nice but not as big as those two.
posted on 26/11/18
Brutally honest some of the mancs on this thread. Refreshing.
posted on 26/11/18
Silly question, Jose by a countrymile. See how much better Dortmund are doing since Klippoty left. Klopp is a very overrated manager.
posted on 26/11/18
With the resources available to them, klopp has performed better.
Jose won two trophies (which klopp got to the final of the year before) but in doing so he had an easier tournament in the Europa and a much more expensive squad to do it with.
posted on 26/11/18
Scousers forget some of their European wins they always like to tell us about were some of the easiest run you could get. All about luck of the draw in Europe
posted on 26/11/18
Not really up for debate is it? Nobody remembers sides that don't win torphies at clubs like United and Liverpool.
Hardly proves anything though,we jsoudknt be comparing ourselves to a side who haven't won anything for bets part of a decade.
posted on 26/11/18
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posted on 26/11/18
Can't argue if you're a fan and Klop is your manager you'd understandably love him. He's an attacking coach, he's hip and he seems a nice, fun guy.
Liverpool are great for him though, expectancy is low like his time at dortmund.
posted on 26/11/18
Klopp’s time at Liverpool is kind of similar to Wengers period from 2006- 2011. Arsenal played some great entertaining football, finished higher in league than many would expect With the squad, even put in the odd decent title challenge, and got to CL final. But yet, always crumbled when it really mattered, and won nothing. I enjoyed our football during that period, but still got very frustrating it never lead to a trophy, not even one of the smaller ones. After a while players got fed up with lack of trophies and our better players started leaving, with having no money to spend, we gradually got worse. Success in football (especially with big teams) is ultimately shown by what you’ve won. Klopp really needs to start returning trophies this season, and certainly next year.
He’s done a good job with Liverpool, and got them in much better shape than when he found them. But the longer he wins nothing the more his time at the club will be judged less favourably. Having said that, currently I’d rather have Klopp, because he looks to be heading in a positive direction. But that has to be backed up with trophies in next year or so
posted on 26/11/18
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 11 minutes ago
Can't argue if you're a fan and Klop is your manager you'd understandably love him. He's an attacking coach, he's hip and he seems a nice, fun guy.
Liverpool are great for him though, expectancy is low like his time at dortmund.
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as far as expectancy goes, Klopp has raised Liverpool fans expectations while Mourinho has lowered those of Man Utd fans.
There is no doubt that should both resign, Man Utd would approach Klopp to be their latest manager.
posted on 26/11/18
Didn't klopp bottle taking the utd job already
I doubt if the club would approach him again
But the again its Ed so who knows
posted on 26/11/18
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 6 minutes ago
Didn't klopp bottle taking the utd job already
I doubt if the club would approach him again
But the again its Ed so who knows
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You mean Man Utd already approached Klopp before Mourinho?
posted on 26/11/18
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 6 hours, 49 minutes ago
how do two luck of the draw cup wins that any manager would have won make mourinho a success with utd.
klopp has brought so much more to liverpool.
mo has make utd a shadow of their former selves.
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I think we had a fairly easy passage in the Europa, but in the cup we beat City and also Southampton, who had earlier knocked out Liverpool. We also beat West Ham on the way, so 3 PL teams. That isn't an easy draw.
posted on 26/11/18
comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 11 minutes ago
Can't argue if you're a fan and Klop is your manager you'd understandably love him. He's an attacking coach, he's hip and he seems a nice, fun guy.
Liverpool are great for him though, expectancy is low like his time at dortmund.
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as far as expectancy goes, Klopp has raised Liverpool fans expectations while Mourinho has lowered those of Man Utd fans.
There is no doubt that should both resign, Man Utd would approach Klopp to be their latest manager.
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How has Jose lowered our expectations when we are all calling for him to get the sack due to the terrible football and poor results? If he had lowered our expectations then we would all be say here happy wouldn't we? Think before you type.
posted on 26/11/18
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 6 hours, 49 minutes ago
how do two luck of the draw cup wins that any manager would have won make mourinho a success with utd.
klopp has brought so much more to liverpool.
mo has make utd a shadow of their former selves.
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I think we had a fairly easy passage in the Europa, but in the cup we beat City and also Southampton, who had earlier knocked out Liverpool. We also beat West Ham on the way, so 3 PL teams. That isn't an easy draw.
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Fair enough, but the year before we had Bournemouth, Southampton, stoke, man city. That's 4 premier league teams. I don't think there is much in it on the league cup but we certainly had a harder Europa run.
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