comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Colin Boylan (U1734)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Colin Boylan (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 1 minute ago
Your analogy needs work.
Yes the referendum was an exercise in democracy.
People voted to either leave the EU or to stay in the EU.
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How about if you picked the colour black over white (unlikely I know hohoho) but then I spent 2 years adding more white to the black until it was more white than black, you'd still stick with this now white colour as that's what you chose in the first place? You chose white?
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I chose a black t-shirt over a white one the other day as I preferred the Darth vader one to a Stormtrooper one.
Do I win something now hohoho?
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How about if the Darth Vadar graphics came off in the wash to reveal a big "I am a raging homo" graphic, would you still wear the tshirt because that's the one you picked lol?
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Are you saying there is something wrong with being a homo?
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No, if that's what you chose to be then I'm fine with it.
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 hours, 59 minutes ago
All reports suggesting we will be worse off but Brexit means Brexit damnit!
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The same noises were made when we didn’t join the Euro.
Bank of England and FT said it would be crazy not to.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36341530
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Colin Boylan (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 1 minute ago
Your analogy needs work.
Yes the referendum was an exercise in democracy.
People voted to either leave the EU or to stay in the EU.
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How about if you picked the colour black over white (unlikely I know hohoho) but then I spent 2 years adding more white to the black until it was more white than black, you'd still stick with this now white colour as that's what you chose in the first place? You chose white?
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I chose a black t-shirt over a white one the other day as I preferred the Darth vader one to a Stormtrooper one.
Do I win something now hohoho?
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The point that is, and which has been clearly made, (and I get that you don’t want to admit it) is why would you choose to pursue a particular course of action when (armed with greater knowledge) you knew it was self-defeating/destructive.
It seems some people do not believe in objective fact, they just believe in Brexit.
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I already explained, clearly, why I think we should leave the EU.
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 hours, 59 minutes ago
All reports suggesting we will be worse off but Brexit means Brexit damnit!
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The same noises were made when we didn’t join the Euro.
Bank of England and FT said it would be crazy not to.
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And CBI
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 hours, 59 minutes ago
All reports suggesting we will be worse off but Brexit means Brexit damnit!
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The same noises were made when we didn’t join the Euro.
Bank of England and FT said it would be crazy not to.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36341530
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https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/remaining-in-the-eu-would-be-a-disaster-for-britain-just-like-the-euro-a7059326.html
comment by Colin Boylan (U1734)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Colin Boylan (U1734)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Colin Boylan (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 1 minute ago
Your analogy needs work.
Yes the referendum was an exercise in democracy.
People voted to either leave the EU or to stay in the EU.
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How about if you picked the colour black over white (unlikely I know hohoho) but then I spent 2 years adding more white to the black until it was more white than black, you'd still stick with this now white colour as that's what you chose in the first place? You chose white?
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I chose a black t-shirt over a white one the other day as I preferred the Darth vader one to a Stormtrooper one.
Do I win something now hohoho?
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How about if the Darth Vadar graphics came off in the wash to reveal a big "I am a raging homo" graphic, would you still wear the tshirt because that's the one you picked lol?
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Are you saying there is something wrong with being a homo?
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No, if that's what you chose to be then I'm fine with it.
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Why bring it up then?
Bit of a sh1tty comment to be honest.
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 hours, 59 minutes ago
All reports suggesting we will be worse off but Brexit means Brexit damnit!
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The same noises were made when we didn’t join the Euro.
Bank of England and FT said it would be crazy not to.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36341530
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https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/remaining-in-the-eu-would-be-a-disaster-for-britain-just-like-the-euro-a7059326.html
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Have you actually read that? It does not say what you say it says.
And Toyota threatening to leave UK if we joined Euro
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 hours, 59 minutes ago
All reports suggesting we will be worse off but Brexit means Brexit damnit!
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The same noises were made when we didn’t join the Euro.
Bank of England and FT said it would be crazy not to.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36341530
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https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/remaining-in-the-eu-would-be-a-disaster-for-britain-just-like-the-euro-a7059326.html
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Have you actually read that? It does not say what you say it says.
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comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 hours, 59 minutes ago
All reports suggesting we will be worse off but Brexit means Brexit damnit!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The same noises were made when we didn’t join the Euro.
Bank of England and FT said it would be crazy not to.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36341530
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https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/remaining-in-the-eu-would-be-a-disaster-for-britain-just-like-the-euro-a7059326.html
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Have you actually read that? It does not say what you say it says.
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My error, it was the wrong article.
Did you read my link in the meantime? It categorically states that what you said was not true, so I'm still to be convinced, tbh.
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 17 seconds ago
Did you read my link in the meantime? It categorically states that what you said was not true, so I'm still to be convinced, tbh.
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I have lost my link to an article from 2008 in the independent. That covers all the institutions that predicted growth for Greece and a UK crash.
The same that now warn
If we leave it will be another crisis.
I don’t want to think it’s an argument with you, nobody is certain what will happen.
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Colin Boylan (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 1 minute ago
Your analogy needs work.
Yes the referendum was an exercise in democracy.
People voted to either leave the EU or to stay in the EU.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How about if you picked the colour black over white (unlikely I know hohoho) but then I spent 2 years adding more white to the black until it was more white than black, you'd still stick with this now white colour as that's what you chose in the first place? You chose white?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I chose a black t-shirt over a white one the other day as I preferred the Darth vader one to a Stormtrooper one.
Do I win something now hohoho?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The point that is, and which has been clearly made, (and I get that you don’t want to admit it) is why would you choose to pursue a particular course of action when (armed with greater knowledge) you knew it was self-defeating/destructive.
It seems some people do not believe in objective fact, they just believe in Brexit.
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I already explained, clearly, why I think we should leave the EU.
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If I recall you mentioned the 2016 vote should be respected.
You didn't mention *why* given it's not what's on offer. If you voted Labour and the Tories took office instead would you not be in the slightest concerned?
"...nobody is certain what will happen."
It seems it's hard enough to ascertain what has already happened.
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 17 seconds ago
Did you read my link in the meantime? It categorically states that what you said was not true, so I'm still to be convinced, tbh.
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I have lost my link to an article from 2008 in the independent. That covers all the institutions that predicted growth for Greece and a UK crash.
The same that now warn
If we leave it will be another crisis.
I don’t want to think it’s an argument with you, nobody is certain what will happen.
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" nobody is certain what will happen. "
That's not entirely true. The WA sets out the framework (legally binding) of leaving and the future relationship objectives.
Objectives that will involve significant trade offs and loss of access to vital EU agencies. SIS2 one example:
https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/content/second-generation-schengen-information-system-sis-ii_en
And there is the economic analysis based on the UKG's objectives. Which despite being conservative, (a lot of very optimistic assumptions in regard to future FTAs) it paints the reality of downgrading from the SM to an FTA.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/760484/28_November_EU_Exit_-_Long-term_economic_analysis__1_.pdf
Just give us another vote and let us make a final decision one way or the other now the terms are on the table.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 37 seconds ago
Just give us another vote and let us make a final decision one way or the other now the terms are on the table.
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then what if you loose again keep doing another vote til you snowflakes get your way we voted for foreingers to LEAVE and LEAVE means LEAVE so respect are decision
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
Just give us another vote and let us make a final decision one way or the other now the terms are on the table.
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And in a few years we can have another 'Once in a lifetime' vote.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
Just give us another vote and let us make a final decision one way or the other now the terms are on the table.
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The future relationship (assuming the UKG still pursue a FTA) won't be known for many years yet.
Given the scope/ambition of this FTA it will take anything up to 2yrs to complete a scoping exercise alone (pre-emptive consultations with stakeholders and sectors etc to ascertain trade offs etc)
Brexit is just the divorce.
So we reject the porridge and just go home and make our normal dinner? The kids chose the restaurant BECAUSE of the porridge. Respect their wishes.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 24 seconds ago
Your analogy needs work.
Yes the referendum was an exercise in democracy.
People voted to either leave the EU or to stay in the EU.
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Most people (including MPs) didn't have the foggiest idea what that entailed. Nor did they have any concept of the trade offs the UKG would have to concede just to get a WA.
As these threads demonstrate, many people (years after the ref) still harbour misconceptions and untruths regarding the UK's relationship with the EU and wider global trade policy.
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This is a myth that is continually peddled.
Leaving the EU is a black and white decision. You leave the SM, CU. You end Freedom of Movement / existing immigration policy. You repatriate powers to implement law from EU back to UK.
What you’re conflating is the continued relationship. For example, what kind of intelligence strategy, what kind of trade deal, what kind of co-operation pacts etc. But all that is secondary to the act of leaving the institution itself.
What you are is someone who voted remain and have spent the last few years trying to tell anyone that disagreed with you that they didn’t really understand what they were doing.
We voted to leave and we have that mandate to the Government of the day to implement. If they fail to do this, it will be a failure to honour the result and not a failure of the ideology of Brexit itself.
"....tell anyone that disagreed with you that they didn’t really understand what they were doing."
No matter what you personally did or did not understand at the time, a large number, I'd go so far to say the majority - most certainly did not understand the pros or cons of being in the EU when the voted back in 2016. Which ever way they voted. This absolutely must be true as a significant number, probably still the majority - STILL don't understand, on the most basic level, the pros and cons of being in the EU.
It's not as simple as a black and white decision. Some of them are brown. some are quarter something and something else. How do we decide who leaves and who doesn't?
comment by Cornelius Oofterom (U15867)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
Just give us another vote and let us make a final decision one way or the other now the terms are on the table.
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And in a few years we can have another 'Once in a lifetime' vote.
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And this time without outright lies and undeclared campaign spending?
Fingers crossed.
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 24 seconds ago
Your analogy needs work.
Yes the referendum was an exercise in democracy.
People voted to either leave the EU or to stay in the EU.
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Most people (including MPs) didn't have the foggiest idea what that entailed. Nor did they have any concept of the trade offs the UKG would have to concede just to get a WA.
As these threads demonstrate, many people (years after the ref) still harbour misconceptions and untruths regarding the UK's relationship with the EU and wider global trade policy.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is a myth that is continually peddled.
Leaving the EU is a black and white decision. You leave the SM, CU. You end Freedom of Movement / existing immigration policy. You repatriate powers to implement law from EU back to UK.
What you’re conflating is the continued relationship. For example, what kind of intelligence strategy, what kind of trade deal, what kind of co-operation pacts etc. But all that is secondary to the act of leaving the institution itself.
What you are is someone who voted remain and have spent the last few years trying to tell anyone that disagreed with you that they didn’t really understand what they were doing.
We voted to leave and we have that mandate to the Government of the day to implement. If they fail to do this, it will be a failure to honour the result and not a failure of the ideology of Brexit itself.
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Do you ground aeroplanes, stop importing EU goods cars, close our borders, stop sharing security information, stop fishing in other EU waters.
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So this Brexit thing
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posted on 4/12/18
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Colin Boylan (U1734)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Colin Boylan (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 1 minute ago
Your analogy needs work.
Yes the referendum was an exercise in democracy.
People voted to either leave the EU or to stay in the EU.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How about if you picked the colour black over white (unlikely I know hohoho) but then I spent 2 years adding more white to the black until it was more white than black, you'd still stick with this now white colour as that's what you chose in the first place? You chose white?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I chose a black t-shirt over a white one the other day as I preferred the Darth vader one to a Stormtrooper one.
Do I win something now hohoho?
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How about if the Darth Vadar graphics came off in the wash to reveal a big "I am a raging homo" graphic, would you still wear the tshirt because that's the one you picked lol?
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Are you saying there is something wrong with being a homo?
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No, if that's what you chose to be then I'm fine with it.
posted on 4/12/18
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 hours, 59 minutes ago
All reports suggesting we will be worse off but Brexit means Brexit damnit!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The same noises were made when we didn’t join the Euro.
Bank of England and FT said it would be crazy not to.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36341530
posted on 4/12/18
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Colin Boylan (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 1 minute ago
Your analogy needs work.
Yes the referendum was an exercise in democracy.
People voted to either leave the EU or to stay in the EU.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How about if you picked the colour black over white (unlikely I know hohoho) but then I spent 2 years adding more white to the black until it was more white than black, you'd still stick with this now white colour as that's what you chose in the first place? You chose white?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I chose a black t-shirt over a white one the other day as I preferred the Darth vader one to a Stormtrooper one.
Do I win something now hohoho?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The point that is, and which has been clearly made, (and I get that you don’t want to admit it) is why would you choose to pursue a particular course of action when (armed with greater knowledge) you knew it was self-defeating/destructive.
It seems some people do not believe in objective fact, they just believe in Brexit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I already explained, clearly, why I think we should leave the EU.
posted on 4/12/18
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 hours, 59 minutes ago
All reports suggesting we will be worse off but Brexit means Brexit damnit!
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The same noises were made when we didn’t join the Euro.
Bank of England and FT said it would be crazy not to.
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And CBI
posted on 4/12/18
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 hours, 59 minutes ago
All reports suggesting we will be worse off but Brexit means Brexit damnit!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The same noises were made when we didn’t join the Euro.
Bank of England and FT said it would be crazy not to.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36341530
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https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/remaining-in-the-eu-would-be-a-disaster-for-britain-just-like-the-euro-a7059326.html
posted on 4/12/18
comment by Colin Boylan (U1734)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Colin Boylan (U1734)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Colin Boylan (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 1 minute ago
Your analogy needs work.
Yes the referendum was an exercise in democracy.
People voted to either leave the EU or to stay in the EU.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How about if you picked the colour black over white (unlikely I know hohoho) but then I spent 2 years adding more white to the black until it was more white than black, you'd still stick with this now white colour as that's what you chose in the first place? You chose white?
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I chose a black t-shirt over a white one the other day as I preferred the Darth vader one to a Stormtrooper one.
Do I win something now hohoho?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How about if the Darth Vadar graphics came off in the wash to reveal a big "I am a raging homo" graphic, would you still wear the tshirt because that's the one you picked lol?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you saying there is something wrong with being a homo?
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No, if that's what you chose to be then I'm fine with it.
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Why bring it up then?
Bit of a sh1tty comment to be honest.
posted on 4/12/18
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 hours, 59 minutes ago
All reports suggesting we will be worse off but Brexit means Brexit damnit!
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The same noises were made when we didn’t join the Euro.
Bank of England and FT said it would be crazy not to.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36341530
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https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/remaining-in-the-eu-would-be-a-disaster-for-britain-just-like-the-euro-a7059326.html
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Have you actually read that? It does not say what you say it says.
posted on 4/12/18
And Toyota threatening to leave UK if we joined Euro
posted on 4/12/18
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 hours, 59 minutes ago
All reports suggesting we will be worse off but Brexit means Brexit damnit!
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The same noises were made when we didn’t join the Euro.
Bank of England and FT said it would be crazy not to.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36341530
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https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/remaining-in-the-eu-would-be-a-disaster-for-britain-just-like-the-euro-a7059326.html
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Have you actually read that? It does not say what you say it says.
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posted on 4/12/18
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 3 hours, 59 minutes ago
All reports suggesting we will be worse off but Brexit means Brexit damnit!
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The same noises were made when we didn’t join the Euro.
Bank of England and FT said it would be crazy not to.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36341530
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https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/remaining-in-the-eu-would-be-a-disaster-for-britain-just-like-the-euro-a7059326.html
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Have you actually read that? It does not say what you say it says.
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My error, it was the wrong article.
posted on 4/12/18
Did you read my link in the meantime? It categorically states that what you said was not true, so I'm still to be convinced, tbh.
posted on 4/12/18
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 17 seconds ago
Did you read my link in the meantime? It categorically states that what you said was not true, so I'm still to be convinced, tbh.
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I have lost my link to an article from 2008 in the independent. That covers all the institutions that predicted growth for Greece and a UK crash.
The same that now warn
If we leave it will be another crisis.
I don’t want to think it’s an argument with you, nobody is certain what will happen.
posted on 4/12/18
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 51 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Colin Boylan (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 1 minute ago
Your analogy needs work.
Yes the referendum was an exercise in democracy.
People voted to either leave the EU or to stay in the EU.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How about if you picked the colour black over white (unlikely I know hohoho) but then I spent 2 years adding more white to the black until it was more white than black, you'd still stick with this now white colour as that's what you chose in the first place? You chose white?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I chose a black t-shirt over a white one the other day as I preferred the Darth vader one to a Stormtrooper one.
Do I win something now hohoho?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The point that is, and which has been clearly made, (and I get that you don’t want to admit it) is why would you choose to pursue a particular course of action when (armed with greater knowledge) you knew it was self-defeating/destructive.
It seems some people do not believe in objective fact, they just believe in Brexit.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I already explained, clearly, why I think we should leave the EU.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If I recall you mentioned the 2016 vote should be respected.
You didn't mention *why* given it's not what's on offer. If you voted Labour and the Tories took office instead would you not be in the slightest concerned?
posted on 4/12/18
"...nobody is certain what will happen."
It seems it's hard enough to ascertain what has already happened.
posted on 4/12/18
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga Nikica come on pretty mama (U1308)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by HenrysCat (U3608)
posted 17 seconds ago
Did you read my link in the meantime? It categorically states that what you said was not true, so I'm still to be convinced, tbh.
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I have lost my link to an article from 2008 in the independent. That covers all the institutions that predicted growth for Greece and a UK crash.
The same that now warn
If we leave it will be another crisis.
I don’t want to think it’s an argument with you, nobody is certain what will happen.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
" nobody is certain what will happen. "
That's not entirely true. The WA sets out the framework (legally binding) of leaving and the future relationship objectives.
Objectives that will involve significant trade offs and loss of access to vital EU agencies. SIS2 one example:
https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/content/second-generation-schengen-information-system-sis-ii_en
And there is the economic analysis based on the UKG's objectives. Which despite being conservative, (a lot of very optimistic assumptions in regard to future FTAs) it paints the reality of downgrading from the SM to an FTA.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/760484/28_November_EU_Exit_-_Long-term_economic_analysis__1_.pdf
posted on 4/12/18
Just give us another vote and let us make a final decision one way or the other now the terms are on the table.
posted on 4/12/18
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 37 seconds ago
Just give us another vote and let us make a final decision one way or the other now the terms are on the table.
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then what if you loose again keep doing another vote til you snowflakes get your way we voted for foreingers to LEAVE and LEAVE means LEAVE so respect are decision
posted on 4/12/18
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
Just give us another vote and let us make a final decision one way or the other now the terms are on the table.
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And in a few years we can have another 'Once in a lifetime' vote.
posted on 4/12/18
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
Just give us another vote and let us make a final decision one way or the other now the terms are on the table.
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The future relationship (assuming the UKG still pursue a FTA) won't be known for many years yet.
Given the scope/ambition of this FTA it will take anything up to 2yrs to complete a scoping exercise alone (pre-emptive consultations with stakeholders and sectors etc to ascertain trade offs etc)
Brexit is just the divorce.
posted on 4/12/18
So we reject the porridge and just go home and make our normal dinner? The kids chose the restaurant BECAUSE of the porridge. Respect their wishes.
posted on 4/12/18
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 24 seconds ago
Your analogy needs work.
Yes the referendum was an exercise in democracy.
People voted to either leave the EU or to stay in the EU.
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Most people (including MPs) didn't have the foggiest idea what that entailed. Nor did they have any concept of the trade offs the UKG would have to concede just to get a WA.
As these threads demonstrate, many people (years after the ref) still harbour misconceptions and untruths regarding the UK's relationship with the EU and wider global trade policy.
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This is a myth that is continually peddled.
Leaving the EU is a black and white decision. You leave the SM, CU. You end Freedom of Movement / existing immigration policy. You repatriate powers to implement law from EU back to UK.
What you’re conflating is the continued relationship. For example, what kind of intelligence strategy, what kind of trade deal, what kind of co-operation pacts etc. But all that is secondary to the act of leaving the institution itself.
What you are is someone who voted remain and have spent the last few years trying to tell anyone that disagreed with you that they didn’t really understand what they were doing.
We voted to leave and we have that mandate to the Government of the day to implement. If they fail to do this, it will be a failure to honour the result and not a failure of the ideology of Brexit itself.
posted on 4/12/18
"....tell anyone that disagreed with you that they didn’t really understand what they were doing."
No matter what you personally did or did not understand at the time, a large number, I'd go so far to say the majority - most certainly did not understand the pros or cons of being in the EU when the voted back in 2016. Which ever way they voted. This absolutely must be true as a significant number, probably still the majority - STILL don't understand, on the most basic level, the pros and cons of being in the EU.
posted on 4/12/18
It's not as simple as a black and white decision. Some of them are brown. some are quarter something and something else. How do we decide who leaves and who doesn't?
posted on 4/12/18
comment by Cornelius Oofterom (U15867)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 3 minutes ago
Just give us another vote and let us make a final decision one way or the other now the terms are on the table.
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And in a few years we can have another 'Once in a lifetime' vote.
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And this time without outright lies and undeclared campaign spending?
Fingers crossed.
posted on 4/12/18
comment by Metro.⚽️ (U6770)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? (U3126)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by Sid (U1868)
posted 24 seconds ago
Your analogy needs work.
Yes the referendum was an exercise in democracy.
People voted to either leave the EU or to stay in the EU.
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Most people (including MPs) didn't have the foggiest idea what that entailed. Nor did they have any concept of the trade offs the UKG would have to concede just to get a WA.
As these threads demonstrate, many people (years after the ref) still harbour misconceptions and untruths regarding the UK's relationship with the EU and wider global trade policy.
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This is a myth that is continually peddled.
Leaving the EU is a black and white decision. You leave the SM, CU. You end Freedom of Movement / existing immigration policy. You repatriate powers to implement law from EU back to UK.
What you’re conflating is the continued relationship. For example, what kind of intelligence strategy, what kind of trade deal, what kind of co-operation pacts etc. But all that is secondary to the act of leaving the institution itself.
What you are is someone who voted remain and have spent the last few years trying to tell anyone that disagreed with you that they didn’t really understand what they were doing.
We voted to leave and we have that mandate to the Government of the day to implement. If they fail to do this, it will be a failure to honour the result and not a failure of the ideology of Brexit itself.
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Do you ground aeroplanes, stop importing EU goods cars, close our borders, stop sharing security information, stop fishing in other EU waters.
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