So what you are saying is that it is £90m wasted?
comment by (Kash) I'm the Mane (U1108)
posted 21 seconds ago
So what you are saying is that it is £90m wasted?
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He didn’t cost 90m
Lukaku needs t9 slim down first. I’m not going to give up on him as he can certainly play a part, look at Newcastle for example. In the big games though he is a waste. He needs a lot of work on him imo and ole could be the right person
So what you are saying is that it is £90m wasted?
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fortunately for us we can afford to, and it was 135mill btw
comment by (Kash) I'm the Mane (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
So what you are saying is that it is £90m wasted?
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How much time do you think you’ve wasted waiting for Utd articles to comment on first?
Anybody with good pair of eyes can see he is a limited football. Reminds me of Bebe- in terms of how people thought he could be coached into something better..
Together with Fellaini- they need to be moved on asap..for a club our size its preposterous how we keep getting the wrong players from any good national team. We could have had Hazard, we ended up with two limited footballers.
Of course, Nobb would disagree with this
I think we could do a lot worse than selling Lukaku and getting in Mitrovic. Could make a decent profit especially if Fulham go down.
We'll take him, plays well with Hazard.
He is in the same situation as Benteke was when Klopp join Liverpool, completely unsuited to style and movement required by the new manager. The difference between him and Rashford was night and day yesterday to the point where Lukaku looked uninterested
He was the wrong signing at the time as he doesn't suit either Jose nor his Ole wants to play. He has goals in him but we're not set up to his strengths nor should we in such a limited striker.
Don't mind having him as a sub, but even there I think we could do better.
There was a bit of play yesterday in the last few minutes where Young cleared a ball down the line when we were under pressure, and Lukaku (fresh legs and all) makes no attempt to work the channel to make himself available. I don't believe it's laziness, its just an example of his tremendous lack of football intelligence.
He'll do well at certain clubs but he just isn't cut out for this level and never will be.
comment by Tablighi Jamaat (U15973)
posted 33 minutes ago
We'll take him, plays well with Hazard.
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What good is that to you? Hazard is off to join a big club in 6 months.
He did look very poor yesterday and I agree he's not a great fit with the kind of football we want to play. However, it's always black-and-white with a section of our fan base, isn't it? He has shown he's a prolific goal scorer on a number of stages and he evidently has a very professional, hard-working and humble attitude, so I won't be making the proverbial offer to 'drive him there myself' (especially if there's a Chinese club interested in him) until the management decides to part ways with him.
Yesterday I was glad to see Rashford maintain his place as a starter and glad to see that justified. But Lukaku's poor showing in the dying minutes was hardly surprising. His game (suited to facing the goal, running in behind the defence) would have been better showcased if he had started, when we were breaking at speed and looking to get behind Spurs' defence, than coming on as sub when we were under the cosh and his job was pressing / receiving the ball back to goal.
Further to the above Lukaku comment, I think we can expect some improvement with a combination of losing some of that excess muscle and working with OGS on tuning his game into new tactics that probably suit him better than Mourinho's. He'll never be my favourite player but I think while he's here he can be a net asset, if not as great an asset as we'd like.
I miss the 21 year old Lukaku. We need him to stop eating really and jogging like a mad man to lose all that muscle. He would have don so much damage if he was still the physical freak of pace and strength.
If he cannot get back to that, then we are going to need a new striker because we almost always run Rashford into the ground with our style, he will need rest and subbing of from time to time. We need to sustain our style.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
I think we could do a lot worse than selling Lukaku and getting in Mitrovic. Could make a decent profit especially if Fulham go down.
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Arnatovic, if he can stand the bench. Mitrovic annoys me.
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 15 seconds ago
I miss the 21 year old Lukaku. We need him to stop eating really and jogging like a mad man to lose all that muscle. He would have don so much damage if he was still the physical freak of pace and strength.
If he cannot get back to that, then we are going to need a new striker because we almost always run Rashford into the ground with our style, he will need rest and subbing of from time to time. We need to sustain our style.
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I've never suffered from the problem of needing to lose muscle. Any fitness types out there who can talk us through how easy it is to achieve?
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 15 seconds ago
I miss the 21 year old Lukaku. We need him to stop eating really and jogging like a mad man to lose all that muscle. He would have don so much damage if he was still the physical freak of pace and strength.
If he cannot get back to that, then we are going to need a new striker because we almost always run Rashford into the ground with our style, he will need rest and subbing of from time to time. We need to sustain our style.
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I've never suffered from the problem of needing to lose muscle. Any fitness types out there who can talk us through how easy it is to achieve?
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I guess reduce the weight training and increase the cardio would do it. Of course, if you don't mind replacing the muscle with fat, there are plenty of ex footballers who can advise how that's done. Steve Bruce and Eric Cantona to name but two.
comment by Kilburn Towers (U13341)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 15 seconds ago
I miss the 21 year old Lukaku. We need him to stop eating really and jogging like a mad man to lose all that muscle. He would have don so much damage if he was still the physical freak of pace and strength.
If he cannot get back to that, then we are going to need a new striker because we almost always run Rashford into the ground with our style, he will need rest and subbing of from time to time. We need to sustain our style.
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I've never suffered from the problem of needing to lose muscle. Any fitness types out there who can talk us through how easy it is to achieve?
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I guess reduce the weight training and increase the cardio would do it. Of course, if you don't mind replacing the muscle with fat, there are plenty of ex footballers who can advise how that's done. Steve Bruce and Eric Cantona to name but two.
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I guess the question should have been not 'how' but 'how easily / how quickly'.
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comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
I think we could do a lot worse than selling Lukaku and getting in Mitrovic. Could make a decent profit especially if Fulham go down.
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Arnatovic, if he can stand the bench. Mitrovic annoys me.
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Arnautovic is nearly 30 and probably off to China. Mitrovic would be excellent back up imo.
He's 31 and looking for his last pay cheque in China
he was on for 5 minutes and looked shattered.
players whod run for 80 mins at high intensity still had more in the tank.
was beyond annoying to see him lumbering
comment by Benji Veniamin (U19953)
posted 7 minutes ago
he was on for 5 minutes and looked shattered.
players whod run for 80 mins at high intensity still had more in the tank.
was beyond annoying to see him lumbering
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I was annoyed too. But I think we should see it in the context of 1) the acknowledged issue of putting on too much muscle 2) limited game time following compassionate leave 3) probably undergoing a career and confidence dip where he has been negatively affected by Mourinho (like everyone else) and (unlike almost everyone else) held back rather than liberated by the arrival of OGS, since he has suddenly becoming no. 2 in the pecking order.
I'm far from desperate for him to stay at United in the longer term but there have been times when Lukaku looked sharp while Rashford looked a bit lost, and Marcus deserved the benefit of the doubt at those times.
In short, my instinct when the ja606 mob has its pitchforks out for a certain player (even when things are going pretty well) is caution.
very balanced comment above
My only concern is will Lukaku be able to accept coming of the bench like rashford had to? I suspect he wouldn't.
The question is what will his reaction be? Will he "work hard" to prove the manager wrong when he gets the opportunity to do so. Or will he strot around with a sense of entitlement.
I watched an interview where lukaku was hailing Jose as being this straight talking manager that he admires so much. I tried to find the interview but came across this instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_dfpG6wvas
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posted on 14/1/19
So what you are saying is that it is £90m wasted?
posted on 14/1/19
The Belgian Benteke
posted on 14/1/19
comment by (Kash) I'm the Mane (U1108)
posted 21 seconds ago
So what you are saying is that it is £90m wasted?
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He didn’t cost 90m
Lukaku needs t9 slim down first. I’m not going to give up on him as he can certainly play a part, look at Newcastle for example. In the big games though he is a waste. He needs a lot of work on him imo and ole could be the right person
posted on 14/1/19
So what you are saying is that it is £90m wasted?
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fortunately for us we can afford to, and it was 135mill btw
posted on 14/1/19
comment by (Kash) I'm the Mane (U1108)
posted 4 minutes ago
So what you are saying is that it is £90m wasted?
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How much time do you think you’ve wasted waiting for Utd articles to comment on first?
posted on 14/1/19
Anybody with good pair of eyes can see he is a limited football. Reminds me of Bebe- in terms of how people thought he could be coached into something better..
Together with Fellaini- they need to be moved on asap..for a club our size its preposterous how we keep getting the wrong players from any good national team. We could have had Hazard, we ended up with two limited footballers.
Of course, Nobb would disagree with this
posted on 14/1/19
I think we could do a lot worse than selling Lukaku and getting in Mitrovic. Could make a decent profit especially if Fulham go down.
posted on 14/1/19
We'll take him, plays well with Hazard.
posted on 14/1/19
He is in the same situation as Benteke was when Klopp join Liverpool, completely unsuited to style and movement required by the new manager. The difference between him and Rashford was night and day yesterday to the point where Lukaku looked uninterested
posted on 14/1/19
He was the wrong signing at the time as he doesn't suit either Jose nor his Ole wants to play. He has goals in him but we're not set up to his strengths nor should we in such a limited striker.
posted on 14/1/19
Don't mind having him as a sub, but even there I think we could do better.
There was a bit of play yesterday in the last few minutes where Young cleared a ball down the line when we were under pressure, and Lukaku (fresh legs and all) makes no attempt to work the channel to make himself available. I don't believe it's laziness, its just an example of his tremendous lack of football intelligence.
He'll do well at certain clubs but he just isn't cut out for this level and never will be.
posted on 14/1/19
comment by Tablighi Jamaat (U15973)
posted 33 minutes ago
We'll take him, plays well with Hazard.
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What good is that to you? Hazard is off to join a big club in 6 months.
posted on 14/1/19
He did look very poor yesterday and I agree he's not a great fit with the kind of football we want to play. However, it's always black-and-white with a section of our fan base, isn't it? He has shown he's a prolific goal scorer on a number of stages and he evidently has a very professional, hard-working and humble attitude, so I won't be making the proverbial offer to 'drive him there myself' (especially if there's a Chinese club interested in him) until the management decides to part ways with him.
Yesterday I was glad to see Rashford maintain his place as a starter and glad to see that justified. But Lukaku's poor showing in the dying minutes was hardly surprising. His game (suited to facing the goal, running in behind the defence) would have been better showcased if he had started, when we were breaking at speed and looking to get behind Spurs' defence, than coming on as sub when we were under the cosh and his job was pressing / receiving the ball back to goal.
posted on 14/1/19
Further to the above Lukaku comment, I think we can expect some improvement with a combination of losing some of that excess muscle and working with OGS on tuning his game into new tactics that probably suit him better than Mourinho's. He'll never be my favourite player but I think while he's here he can be a net asset, if not as great an asset as we'd like.
posted on 14/1/19
I miss the 21 year old Lukaku. We need him to stop eating really and jogging like a mad man to lose all that muscle. He would have don so much damage if he was still the physical freak of pace and strength.
If he cannot get back to that, then we are going to need a new striker because we almost always run Rashford into the ground with our style, he will need rest and subbing of from time to time. We need to sustain our style.
posted on 14/1/19
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
I think we could do a lot worse than selling Lukaku and getting in Mitrovic. Could make a decent profit especially if Fulham go down.
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Arnatovic, if he can stand the bench. Mitrovic annoys me.
posted on 14/1/19
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 15 seconds ago
I miss the 21 year old Lukaku. We need him to stop eating really and jogging like a mad man to lose all that muscle. He would have don so much damage if he was still the physical freak of pace and strength.
If he cannot get back to that, then we are going to need a new striker because we almost always run Rashford into the ground with our style, he will need rest and subbing of from time to time. We need to sustain our style.
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I've never suffered from the problem of needing to lose muscle. Any fitness types out there who can talk us through how easy it is to achieve?
posted on 14/1/19
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 15 seconds ago
I miss the 21 year old Lukaku. We need him to stop eating really and jogging like a mad man to lose all that muscle. He would have don so much damage if he was still the physical freak of pace and strength.
If he cannot get back to that, then we are going to need a new striker because we almost always run Rashford into the ground with our style, he will need rest and subbing of from time to time. We need to sustain our style.
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I've never suffered from the problem of needing to lose muscle. Any fitness types out there who can talk us through how easy it is to achieve?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I guess reduce the weight training and increase the cardio would do it. Of course, if you don't mind replacing the muscle with fat, there are plenty of ex footballers who can advise how that's done. Steve Bruce and Eric Cantona to name but two.
posted on 14/1/19
comment by Kilburn Towers (U13341)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 15 seconds ago
I miss the 21 year old Lukaku. We need him to stop eating really and jogging like a mad man to lose all that muscle. He would have don so much damage if he was still the physical freak of pace and strength.
If he cannot get back to that, then we are going to need a new striker because we almost always run Rashford into the ground with our style, he will need rest and subbing of from time to time. We need to sustain our style.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I've never suffered from the problem of needing to lose muscle. Any fitness types out there who can talk us through how easy it is to achieve?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I guess reduce the weight training and increase the cardio would do it. Of course, if you don't mind replacing the muscle with fat, there are plenty of ex footballers who can advise how that's done. Steve Bruce and Eric Cantona to name but two.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I guess the question should have been not 'how' but 'how easily / how quickly'.
posted on 14/1/19
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posted on 14/1/19
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 1 hour, 38 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 hour, 17 minutes ago
I think we could do a lot worse than selling Lukaku and getting in Mitrovic. Could make a decent profit especially if Fulham go down.
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Arnatovic, if he can stand the bench. Mitrovic annoys me.
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Arnautovic is nearly 30 and probably off to China. Mitrovic would be excellent back up imo.
posted on 14/1/19
He's 31 and looking for his last pay cheque in China
posted on 14/1/19
he was on for 5 minutes and looked shattered.
players whod run for 80 mins at high intensity still had more in the tank.
was beyond annoying to see him lumbering
posted on 14/1/19
comment by Benji Veniamin (U19953)
posted 7 minutes ago
he was on for 5 minutes and looked shattered.
players whod run for 80 mins at high intensity still had more in the tank.
was beyond annoying to see him lumbering
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I was annoyed too. But I think we should see it in the context of 1) the acknowledged issue of putting on too much muscle 2) limited game time following compassionate leave 3) probably undergoing a career and confidence dip where he has been negatively affected by Mourinho (like everyone else) and (unlike almost everyone else) held back rather than liberated by the arrival of OGS, since he has suddenly becoming no. 2 in the pecking order.
I'm far from desperate for him to stay at United in the longer term but there have been times when Lukaku looked sharp while Rashford looked a bit lost, and Marcus deserved the benefit of the doubt at those times.
In short, my instinct when the ja606 mob has its pitchforks out for a certain player (even when things are going pretty well) is caution.
posted on 14/1/19
very balanced comment above
My only concern is will Lukaku be able to accept coming of the bench like rashford had to? I suspect he wouldn't.
The question is what will his reaction be? Will he "work hard" to prove the manager wrong when he gets the opportunity to do so. Or will he strot around with a sense of entitlement.
I watched an interview where lukaku was hailing Jose as being this straight talking manager that he admires so much. I tried to find the interview but came across this instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_dfpG6wvas
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