Depends on how he does between now and January and depending on if Stoke deem him either good enough or ready to make the first team. If we were to get hm in January we would definatly have to pay a (by our standards) a large fee, say a million like you state. Doubt Stoke would want him out on loan for the rest of the season if they are impressed with him. If they deem him good enough then they would only sell him at a price to make a brofit on him. Also it depends on if MM will pay as much as a million for him. Also Marshall may want to try and force his way into the first team there so it really depends on all three parties.

erm.. thanks for that! But I kind of covered all those things in the article and was asking if people would want him at the club permanently.

Also, didn't he come through the youth system at Stoke? So any fee they get would be profit..

I love the attack on MM for 'dusting the cobwebs off his wallet'

Funny how quickly people forget the millions he spent less than a year or ago dragging this club from the depths of inevitable administration.

Signing Marshall would be decent but I dont see it as a vital move. Paying anywhere near 1m for him would be ridiculous

'Funny how quickly people forget the millions he spent less than a year or ago dragging this club from the depths of inevitable administration.'

He paid £7m for the whole club; he got a bargain. I'm grateful he did but let's not pretend it was out of love for Sheffield Wednesday.

You don't think Marshall is worth, say, £750k then? I'd pay that for him, if we had it. Maybe not though, if it meant we couldn't sign anyone else.

Yes, it’s a difficult one alright. I suppose if we’re in the top 6 come January and the money’s available we should maybe sign him permanently, perhaps. Otherwise he may have to go back. He is at a Premiership club, but at 21 with no first team appearances you’d think we could maybe pick him up for less than a million pounds.

£7m might be a bargain but hes still spent £7m plus all the tripe that AI brought in last Jan.

I wouldnt pay £750k for Marshall based on what I have seen so far. At times he looks fantastic but like JJ those times are few and far between.

If stoke want £750k for him I think we should go in at £250k and keep adding an extra £50k everytime its rejected. We nearly got ALF that way

We'll renew his loan deal til the end of the season then when his contract's up it'll be up to him where he ends up. There'll be plenty of takers I imagine but I don't think Stoke will offer him a new deal unless they've unexpectedly been relegated.

So, in answer to the question, yes I would sign him permanently but I think the club will choose renewing the loan instead.

p.s - Madine is an exception to 'all the tripe' AI brought in last Jan. That was the best thing he did while he was here.

'all the tripe'

I don't think any of the players he signed are tripe. As you've said, Madine is doing alright for us. Morrison has played every game for the team at the top of the league, Reda is very close to the first team and may start on Saturday and Reynolds I'll give you but I don't think he's had enough of a chance. I think he could turn out to be a good player.

I think Marshall is a much more consistent performer than JJ, not to mention a better player who can actually deal with the ball and play a simple pass along with the dribbling and crossing.

But poite, we didn't get ALF by faffing about did we.

Regardless of whether we want Marshall or not the way to buy players is not buy playing silly beggars with circular emails and piffling offers.


Anyway, if we are going to 'lash' out a bit I wouldn't expect it to be in January unless we become vulturish like other clubs with a bit of clout and prey on clubs in the brown stuff financially looking to flog a decent player to balance the books.

I think we should revisit the debates that were had on Milan's approach to buying in (when he first took over). If it looks like we are in the mix come January I anticipate reinforcements but not necessarily big spending - I reckon that will happen in the summer

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'But poite, we didn't get ALF by faffing about did we.

Regardless of whether we want Marshall or not the way to buy players is not buy playing silly beggars with circular emails and piffling offers.'

Well said. That whole episode was very embarrasing and I didn't see the logic of offering little simply because a player is in the last year of their contract.

Sorry but got to disagree.

Madine has been great this year.

Reda, nothing but a backup.

Reynolds I will admit has never been given a chance but hasnt exactly been brilliant on the few occasions he has had one.

You cant judge Morrison on his time at Charlton. Leon Clarke is 3rd top striker in League one but it doesnt mean that he was a great signing for wednesday. Some players either do it or dont and here Morrison didnt do it.

I was taking the 'p' when I said the ALF thing

'You cant judge Morrison on his time at Charlton'

but you can judge him on his time at Wednesday?! He only played 12 games for us in the league and he's played 8 for Charlton..

I notice you said on another thread you'd give Reynolds a go in the theam. Fair enough if you don't rate Reda but that's just 1 out of 4 players..

PS thought you might have been taking the mick about ALF - sorry about that..

but you can judge him on his time at Wednesday?! He only played 12 games for us in the league and he's played 8 for Charlton..

I notice you said on another thread you'd give Reynolds a go in the theam. Fair enough if you don't rate Reda but that's just 1 out of 4 players..

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If hes played more games for us than them surely we have a better understanding of him and his performance levels. Regardless, my point is that AI wasted money bringing him here cos for us he was rubbish. What he does at charlton has nothing to do with it.

I dont get your comment about reda only been 1/4 players. My opinion that out of the 4, 3 of them were rubbish or are still unable to get in the side which in my view makes them a waste of money

They got in the side under the manager who bought them though but struggled once a new man came in which is hardly rare.

We never got the chance to really judge him, particularly as most of his games were played at right back.

IIRC, most supporters were creaming themselves over both MM & Reda after the game at Bristol City.

Anyway, Ben Marshall.......................

'What he does at charlton has nothing to do with it.'

You said he was tripe, which to me, refers to the player, regardless of who he's playing for. I don't see how he can be a waste of money either, since we got our money back when we sold him to Charlton.

Madine didn't pull any trees up for us last season either but now you rate him. If we'd sold him before the season started, would he be rubbish to?

And as for being 'unable to get in the side', I'd say that's out of their control to an extent, given Megson's love for Batth and Jones. O'Connor plays pretty much every game but most people think he's rubbish.

Anyway, I am sorry, believe it or not, to labour the point. It just annoys me when people say Irvine wasted money in January when 2 of players he brought in have played about 15 games and either been sold or permanently dropped and one of the others is the top scorer in the league..

Not to mention that Irvine was given about 3 or 4 games with his new signings before getting the sack!

you're right Monster. They did get into the side under the manager who brought them in. but as soon as that happened the team went on a massive downward spiral into a relegation scrap and the manager got the sack if I remember rightly...


Hardly money well spent was it?

In summary, I think this whole debate proves one thing and one thing only....we shouldn't sign marshall

No, no..........we were 9th (2 or 3 points off the play offs) when Irvine was sacked.

The relegation spiral came when Megson took over.

It might have been money well (better) spent if the manager who brought them to the club was given the opportunity to work with them for more than a fortnight!

We were pretty rubbish all last season, with or without Irvine's signings, just there were plenty of even more rubbish teams for us to beat and temporarily lift us into play-off contention..

Bottom line is of the £1.3m spent, £500k was on Madine and we got our money back for Morrison, which was about £250k if you believe the reports. That leaves c. £550k on 2 players who've both played a part this season. Hardly the end of the world even if you don't rate them; I just happen to think they're alright..

Anyway, I'm off home.

erm.. thanks for that! But I kind of covered all those things in the article and was asking if people would want him at the club permanently
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Erm...my answer was at the start of the post U571 or whatever your called. Just echoing what you said thats all