The top 6 are the reason so many fans home and abroad watch the premier league, they earn the most but they also spend the most.
Interesting read but could have been a bit longer and fleshed out the points made a bit more.
The other 14 clubs are financially better off now than ever though, they've more money to spend on transfers, the problem is the top clubs revenue clearly dwarfs this and the gap is only getting wider, especially for CL clubs. Also player prices have rocketed and the top 6 are a major factor in that.
After the way the 3rd to 6th placed teams finished last season I would be very confident of breaking into it in 19/20 if I was Leicester, Everton or Wolves.
If this written before Man City had won the lottery and Tottenham hadn't simply done so well, this article would be written exactly the same but just titled the 'Big 4'.
The premier league risks losing its excitement and competitiveness though if this gap continues to get wider though. We aren’t seeing the effects just yet, but essentially we could be fostering a mini breakaway league right here at home, never mind Europe.
Spurs and Arsenal, although poor for much of the latter part of this season will keep on improving as will United and Chelsea - at a rate which over the next couple of years will far exceed the spending power of the rest of the league
Would tend to agree with this, 96 and 97 points is unusual in the Prem and smells a bit like La Liga or Ligue 1.
I don't think you can reallocate existing revenue sharing without clubs at the top suddenly being put in awkward financial positions but any further increases in the TV rights etc should be used to address the balance at the bottom exclusively. That said, have read a few articles about us potentially being at peak revenue in UK for TV rights already, so I wonder what would be the trigger that makes it fall (recession, a few betting companies going under, etc).
Also final point, Man City would still have a financial advantage given their over-inflated commercial revenue - if anything, the existing revenue sharing probably means it was easier for Spurs and Liverpool to compete at the top than if it was more balanced towards the bottom teams.
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 34 seconds ago
The premier league risks losing its excitement and competitiveness though if this gap continues to get wider though. We aren’t seeing the effects just yet, but essentially we could be fostering a mini breakaway league right here at home, never mind Europe.
Spurs and Arsenal, although poor for much of the latter part of this season will keep on improving as will United and Chelsea - at a rate which over the next couple of years will far exceed the spending power of the rest of the league
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We'll have to buy some players first, if we can remember how?
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 2 minutes ago
If this written before Man City had won the lottery and Tottenham hadn't simply done so well, this article would be written exactly the same but just titled the 'Big 4'.
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It’s the same principle - we now have the big 6 so the line has changed slightly but the problem remains the same - a small portion of the PL hoovering up the majority of the revenue and pulling away from the rest of the clubs
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 2 minutes ago
The premier league risks losing its excitement and competitiveness though if this gap continues to get wider though. We aren’t seeing the effects just yet, but essentially we could be fostering a mini breakaway league right here at home, never mind Europe.
Spurs and Arsenal, although poor for much of the latter part of this season will keep on improving as will United and Chelsea - at a rate which over the next couple of years will far exceed the spending power of the rest of the league
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They will improve but plenty of teams outside the top 6 took points from united, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs, really it was just us and city who had mad seasons where even us drawing with you was seen as two massive points dropped, which it really wasn't IMO.
But the entire Premier league is "hoovering up the majority of the revenue" in football as a whole if you speak to teams in the Champioship, and that argument could extend down the leagues. It's all relative really.
Is it just a confirmation, that the richest in society have just got extremely wealthy?
Back in the day, most clubs were owned by a local businessman. He would have a nice house, smart car, etc., but now they have multiple mansions and yachts.
The whole shebang is wrong, too much money is owned by too few people.
The rich is destroying the world in almost every way possible. I'm sure bringing equality in the PL should be down on our list of social commentary.
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 24 minutes ago
The premier league risks losing its excitement and competitiveness though if this gap continues to get wider though. We aren’t seeing the effects just yet, but essentially we could be fostering a mini breakaway league right here at home, never mind Europe.
Spurs and Arsenal, although poor for much of the latter part of this season will keep on improving as will United and Chelsea - at a rate which over the next couple of years will far exceed the spending power of the rest of the league
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In what way Spurs are destroying the league?
Spurs are the only side that hasn't spent anything in the top 6 for the last 2 transfers?
Yet Spurs have been in the business end of a title challenge, FA Cup, and CL too all bringing in the money?
There is one club that has spent £200million in two transfer window, and you don't mention that club?
It is about supply and demand in the Business world and unfortunately football is a very big business
MoreSpurs has me filtered but someone point out to him Spurs just spent 1 billion on a stadium where they will charge some of the highest proces in europe...
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 12 minutes ago
MoreSpurs has me filtered but someone point out to him Spurs just spent 1 billion on a stadium where they will charge some of the highest proces in europe...
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comment by Cinciwolf---- jealous little scottish to$$er (U11551)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
Big seven soon
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unlikely, the Top 2 were clearly well clear and will have increased revenue. City have significantly undervalued sponsorship in the current market and Liverpool winning the CL will increase the value of any sponsorship deals they have. Big gap from 2 to 3 and from 6 to 7 but maybe one of the 6 may struggle and join the 7 to 9 group but that is as far as it goes. Everton never seem to push on and Wolves may struggle if they get through the Ropey League qualifying next month.
Spurs were not near the business end of the FA Cup or title challenge last season.
comment by Cinciwolf---- jealous little scottish to$$er (U11551)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Big seven soon
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Yeah weve got a good chance of promotion this season tbf.
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
If this written before Man City had won the lottery and Tottenham hadn't simply done so well, this article would be written exactly the same but just titled the 'Big 4'.
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If United had finished 4th instead of Spurs it would just have been the 'Big 4'.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
MoreSpurs has me filtered but someone point out to him Spurs just spent 1 billion on a stadium where they will charge some of the highest proces in europe...
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Moresperm
the article asks if this is the game that fans really want
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One of the questions that is rarely asked is, what fans?
20th century fans? Probably not, but hasn't the profile of the actual fan himself changed?
Let's not kid ourselves. Like so many other walks of life, matchdays are becoming increasingly gentrified. Most big stadiums, even in the smaller cities, are no longer the domain of the factory line worker, and more and more of the middle-class white-collar worker. It's more and more a game for kids, for women, for families.
But on the whole, top flight stadiums still get packed, and the game itself has more fans worldwide ever before.
It seems to me that these articles invoke a romanticised, dying breed of fan that in all likelihood will not return to top flight stadiums unless the game implodes completely.
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 50 minutes ago
the article asks if this is the game that fans really want
------------------
One of the questions that is rarely asked is, what fans?
20th century fans? Probably not, but hasn't the profile of the actual fan himself changed?
Let's not kid ourselves. Like so many other walks of life, matchdays are becoming increasingly gentrified. Most big stadiums, even in the smaller cities, are no longer the domain of the factory line worker, and more and more of the middle-class white-collar worker. It's more and more a game for kids, for women, for families.
But on the whole, top flight stadiums still get packed, and the game itself has more fans worldwide ever before.
It seems to me that these articles invoke a romanticised, dying breed of fan that in all likelihood will not return to top flight stadiums unless the game implodes completely.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think it’s more about whether fans want to see an open and competitive premier league where the smaller clubs and medium sized clubs can compete, or whether fans want the boring predictability of something like la liga where you basically have 2 leagues inside 1. I think that’s probably where we are heading
The only major league that wasn't all done and dusted before the final day last season was the Premier League.
Spain, Germany, Italy, you could name next years champions now.
That's not the case in the Prem.
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 50 minutes ago
the article asks if this is the game that fans really want
------------------
One of the questions that is rarely asked is, what fans?
20th century fans? Probably not, but hasn't the profile of the actual fan himself changed?
Let's not kid ourselves. Like so many other walks of life, matchdays are becoming increasingly gentrified. Most big stadiums, even in the smaller cities, are no longer the domain of the factory line worker, and more and more of the middle-class white-collar worker. It's more and more a game for kids, for women, for families.
But on the whole, top flight stadiums still get packed, and the game itself has more fans worldwide ever before.
It seems to me that these articles invoke a romanticised, dying breed of fan that in all likelihood will not return to top flight stadiums unless the game implodes completely.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think it’s more about whether fans want to see an open and competitive premier league where the smaller clubs and medium sized clubs can compete, or whether fans want the boring predictability of something like la liga where you basically have 2 leagues inside 1. I think that’s probably where we are heading
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But the thing is, it’s only been the same top six for three seasons. And there’s been a lot of rotation within that top six in those years - bar City’s two title wins.
Those clubs all have an advantage over the others, but that doesn’t mean it’s a closed shop.
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posted on 19/6/19
The top 6 are the reason so many fans home and abroad watch the premier league, they earn the most but they also spend the most.
posted on 19/6/19
Interesting read but could have been a bit longer and fleshed out the points made a bit more.
The other 14 clubs are financially better off now than ever though, they've more money to spend on transfers, the problem is the top clubs revenue clearly dwarfs this and the gap is only getting wider, especially for CL clubs. Also player prices have rocketed and the top 6 are a major factor in that.
posted on 19/6/19
After the way the 3rd to 6th placed teams finished last season I would be very confident of breaking into it in 19/20 if I was Leicester, Everton or Wolves.
posted on 19/6/19
If this written before Man City had won the lottery and Tottenham hadn't simply done so well, this article would be written exactly the same but just titled the 'Big 4'.
posted on 19/6/19
The premier league risks losing its excitement and competitiveness though if this gap continues to get wider though. We aren’t seeing the effects just yet, but essentially we could be fostering a mini breakaway league right here at home, never mind Europe.
Spurs and Arsenal, although poor for much of the latter part of this season will keep on improving as will United and Chelsea - at a rate which over the next couple of years will far exceed the spending power of the rest of the league
posted on 19/6/19
Would tend to agree with this, 96 and 97 points is unusual in the Prem and smells a bit like La Liga or Ligue 1.
I don't think you can reallocate existing revenue sharing without clubs at the top suddenly being put in awkward financial positions but any further increases in the TV rights etc should be used to address the balance at the bottom exclusively. That said, have read a few articles about us potentially being at peak revenue in UK for TV rights already, so I wonder what would be the trigger that makes it fall (recession, a few betting companies going under, etc).
Also final point, Man City would still have a financial advantage given their over-inflated commercial revenue - if anything, the existing revenue sharing probably means it was easier for Spurs and Liverpool to compete at the top than if it was more balanced towards the bottom teams.
posted on 19/6/19
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 34 seconds ago
The premier league risks losing its excitement and competitiveness though if this gap continues to get wider though. We aren’t seeing the effects just yet, but essentially we could be fostering a mini breakaway league right here at home, never mind Europe.
Spurs and Arsenal, although poor for much of the latter part of this season will keep on improving as will United and Chelsea - at a rate which over the next couple of years will far exceed the spending power of the rest of the league
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We'll have to buy some players first, if we can remember how?
posted on 19/6/19
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 2 minutes ago
If this written before Man City had won the lottery and Tottenham hadn't simply done so well, this article would be written exactly the same but just titled the 'Big 4'.
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It’s the same principle - we now have the big 6 so the line has changed slightly but the problem remains the same - a small portion of the PL hoovering up the majority of the revenue and pulling away from the rest of the clubs
posted on 19/6/19
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 2 minutes ago
The premier league risks losing its excitement and competitiveness though if this gap continues to get wider though. We aren’t seeing the effects just yet, but essentially we could be fostering a mini breakaway league right here at home, never mind Europe.
Spurs and Arsenal, although poor for much of the latter part of this season will keep on improving as will United and Chelsea - at a rate which over the next couple of years will far exceed the spending power of the rest of the league
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They will improve but plenty of teams outside the top 6 took points from united, Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs, really it was just us and city who had mad seasons where even us drawing with you was seen as two massive points dropped, which it really wasn't IMO.
posted on 19/6/19
But the entire Premier league is "hoovering up the majority of the revenue" in football as a whole if you speak to teams in the Champioship, and that argument could extend down the leagues. It's all relative really.
posted on 19/6/19
Big seven soon
posted on 19/6/19
Is it just a confirmation, that the richest in society have just got extremely wealthy?
Back in the day, most clubs were owned by a local businessman. He would have a nice house, smart car, etc., but now they have multiple mansions and yachts.
The whole shebang is wrong, too much money is owned by too few people.
posted on 19/6/19
The rich is destroying the world in almost every way possible. I'm sure bringing equality in the PL should be down on our list of social commentary.
posted on 19/6/19
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 24 minutes ago
The premier league risks losing its excitement and competitiveness though if this gap continues to get wider though. We aren’t seeing the effects just yet, but essentially we could be fostering a mini breakaway league right here at home, never mind Europe.
Spurs and Arsenal, although poor for much of the latter part of this season will keep on improving as will United and Chelsea - at a rate which over the next couple of years will far exceed the spending power of the rest of the league
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In what way Spurs are destroying the league?
Spurs are the only side that hasn't spent anything in the top 6 for the last 2 transfers?
Yet Spurs have been in the business end of a title challenge, FA Cup, and CL too all bringing in the money?
There is one club that has spent £200million in two transfer window, and you don't mention that club?
It is about supply and demand in the Business world and unfortunately football is a very big business
posted on 19/6/19
MoreSpurs has me filtered but someone point out to him Spurs just spent 1 billion on a stadium where they will charge some of the highest proces in europe...
posted on 19/6/19
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 12 minutes ago
MoreSpurs has me filtered but someone point out to him Spurs just spent 1 billion on a stadium where they will charge some of the highest proces in europe...
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posted on 19/6/19
comment by Cinciwolf---- jealous little scottish to$$er (U11551)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
Big seven soon
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unlikely, the Top 2 were clearly well clear and will have increased revenue. City have significantly undervalued sponsorship in the current market and Liverpool winning the CL will increase the value of any sponsorship deals they have. Big gap from 2 to 3 and from 6 to 7 but maybe one of the 6 may struggle and join the 7 to 9 group but that is as far as it goes. Everton never seem to push on and Wolves may struggle if they get through the Ropey League qualifying next month.
posted on 19/6/19
Spurs were not near the business end of the FA Cup or title challenge last season.
posted on 19/6/19
comment by Cinciwolf---- jealous little scottish to$$er (U11551)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
Big seven soon
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Yeah weve got a good chance of promotion this season tbf.
posted on 19/6/19
comment by SpursBoy101 (U21819)
posted 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
If this written before Man City had won the lottery and Tottenham hadn't simply done so well, this article would be written exactly the same but just titled the 'Big 4'.
----------------------------------------------------
If United had finished 4th instead of Spurs it would just have been the 'Big 4'.
posted on 19/6/19
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
MoreSpurs has me filtered but someone point out to him Spurs just spent 1 billion on a stadium where they will charge some of the highest proces in europe...
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Moresperm
posted on 19/6/19
the article asks if this is the game that fans really want
------------------
One of the questions that is rarely asked is, what fans?
20th century fans? Probably not, but hasn't the profile of the actual fan himself changed?
Let's not kid ourselves. Like so many other walks of life, matchdays are becoming increasingly gentrified. Most big stadiums, even in the smaller cities, are no longer the domain of the factory line worker, and more and more of the middle-class white-collar worker. It's more and more a game for kids, for women, for families.
But on the whole, top flight stadiums still get packed, and the game itself has more fans worldwide ever before.
It seems to me that these articles invoke a romanticised, dying breed of fan that in all likelihood will not return to top flight stadiums unless the game implodes completely.
posted on 19/6/19
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 50 minutes ago
the article asks if this is the game that fans really want
------------------
One of the questions that is rarely asked is, what fans?
20th century fans? Probably not, but hasn't the profile of the actual fan himself changed?
Let's not kid ourselves. Like so many other walks of life, matchdays are becoming increasingly gentrified. Most big stadiums, even in the smaller cities, are no longer the domain of the factory line worker, and more and more of the middle-class white-collar worker. It's more and more a game for kids, for women, for families.
But on the whole, top flight stadiums still get packed, and the game itself has more fans worldwide ever before.
It seems to me that these articles invoke a romanticised, dying breed of fan that in all likelihood will not return to top flight stadiums unless the game implodes completely.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think it’s more about whether fans want to see an open and competitive premier league where the smaller clubs and medium sized clubs can compete, or whether fans want the boring predictability of something like la liga where you basically have 2 leagues inside 1. I think that’s probably where we are heading
posted on 19/6/19
The only major league that wasn't all done and dusted before the final day last season was the Premier League.
Spain, Germany, Italy, you could name next years champions now.
That's not the case in the Prem.
posted on 19/6/19
comment by The Artist formerly known as Black Starr (U12353)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 50 minutes ago
the article asks if this is the game that fans really want
------------------
One of the questions that is rarely asked is, what fans?
20th century fans? Probably not, but hasn't the profile of the actual fan himself changed?
Let's not kid ourselves. Like so many other walks of life, matchdays are becoming increasingly gentrified. Most big stadiums, even in the smaller cities, are no longer the domain of the factory line worker, and more and more of the middle-class white-collar worker. It's more and more a game for kids, for women, for families.
But on the whole, top flight stadiums still get packed, and the game itself has more fans worldwide ever before.
It seems to me that these articles invoke a romanticised, dying breed of fan that in all likelihood will not return to top flight stadiums unless the game implodes completely.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think it’s more about whether fans want to see an open and competitive premier league where the smaller clubs and medium sized clubs can compete, or whether fans want the boring predictability of something like la liga where you basically have 2 leagues inside 1. I think that’s probably where we are heading
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But the thing is, it’s only been the same top six for three seasons. And there’s been a lot of rotation within that top six in those years - bar City’s two title wins.
Those clubs all have an advantage over the others, but that doesn’t mean it’s a closed shop.
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