Nah that wouldn’t be reasonable considering we’ve just lost the best player in the league and won’t be signing anyone.
Will be nice to have everyone backing the manager this time.
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What was the main criticism for sarri, was it just how the team played?
Im curious how long frank will last if he changes to 'exciting football' but the results are poor
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Unfortunately what you’ve just typed in the OP is pretty much what Chelsea fans typed up 12 months back.
Sarri-ball was meant to be the answer to the fans frustrated at the lack of club direction. He needed to be given a season to bed the players into it. That after not having a preseason to work with the players.
Unfortunately fans today are too impatient.
Weirdly, with Frank you’d be appointing a more defensive minded manager.
Sarri did a good job considering there was no support from the Chelsea fans of the manager.
I thought he could have improved your team as he is a good tactical manager but it is now tough for any manager coming in.
No Sarri didn't do a good job, he got some good results, 3rd, and some cups. But that's papering over the cracks. We came 3rd more due the failures of the club's around us. We played probably the worst football I can certainly remember as well as the worst scorelines I can remember as a Chelsea fan. He is also too Stubborn and alienated vital squad players who could have helped. Seriously who would have gone into a huge campaign with just Morata and Giroud as your only 2 strikers? Even Fabragaes said he was too stubborn and another player who could have be utilized was let go midseason.
We were a laughing stock within 3 months with even the bookies were not allowing you to bet on CFC team choices and substitutions as it was too predictable, way too slow to adapt once we were worked out and too much reliance on Jorginho.
comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted 4 minutes ago
No Sarri didn't do a good job, he got some good results, 3rd, and some cups. But that's papering over the cracks. We came 3rd more due the failures of the club's around us. We played probably the worst football I can certainly remember as well as the worst scorelines I can remember as a Chelsea fan. He is also too Stubborn and alienated vital squad players who could have helped. Seriously who would have gone into a huge campaign with just Morata and Giroud as your only 2 strikers? Even Fabragaes said he was too stubborn and another player who could have be utilized was let go midseason.
We were a laughing stock within 3 months with even the bookies were not allowing you to bet on CFC team choices and substitutions as it was too predictable, way too slow to adapt once we were worked out and too much reliance on Jorginho.
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While the football was far from the best it was far from the worst in a long time.
It was certainly better than the garbage Conte produced in 17/18 and lets not get started on the Jose collapse period.
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comment by The Mane Man ( life at this age is rubbish with no money #needajob) (U19731)
posted 17 minutes ago
Sarri did a good job considering there was no support from the Chelsea fans of the manager.
I thought he could have improved your team as he is a good tactical manager but it is now tough for any manager coming in.
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I agree that Sarri did a good job, but I think the majority of Chelsea fans DID support him. It was just the vocal minority of idiots (presumably, people like Simon above) who booed Sarri and Jorginho at times during the season.
It's fair to say that Sarri was standoffish, and was a difficult person to warm to - which I suspect didn't help his cause. If I had to guess I would say he was never convinced about being there himself - but that could be because of the lack of a committed support from the club itself until it was too late. He had a very poor run at the turn of the year when we were beaten soundly by Man City, Bournmouth and also Man Utd at home in the FA Cup, and I don't think some fans forgave him for that. We also had a run of 4 or even 5 away games in a row where we failed to score - not just win, but actually score a goal. So that was hard to watch.
But amazingly, that really poor period was sandwiched by some very good football indeed. The beginning of the season we looked unbeatable (until we weren't), and then we went on a great run at the end of the season where we stormed up to 3rd and won the Europa Cup, while those around us struggled. It was certainly mixed - but the people who suggest we played the worst football within memory (Simon, I'm looking at you) clearly have very short memories. Just last season we lost 1-0 to Man City (which admittedly is better than losing 6-0), but we had something like 20% possession. In fact the previous 2 managers made us into a counter-attacking team - which meant that we immediately conceded possession to better footballing teams like Man City and Liverpool - and others in Europe - and it was embarrassing at times. I don't want my team to play in such a cowardly way. And while it was taking a while to get to the point where everyone in the team was comfortable with the new way of playing, I loved the fact that we are confident enough to play out of defence, rather than just hoofing it upfield - which is what we used to do.
I don't know what the new manager (whoever it is) will want to do, but I would be surprised if we went back to the defensive counter-attacking football we used to play. I hope we can build on what Sarri started.
Personally, being an ex-player and having watched clips of his training etc, Sarri is an excellent coach and tactician and I am not surprised that
a) Zola followed him at Chelsea - gleam Sarri's tactical nounce.
b) Juve went for him as soon as he made himself available.
Tbh, he didn't fit the "Chelsea" profile at the club
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 9 minutes ago
Personally, being an ex-player and having watched clips of his training etc, Sarri is an excellent coach and tactician and I am not surprised that
a) Zola followed him at Chelsea - gleam Sarri's tactical nounce.
b) Juve went for him as soon as he made himself available.
Tbh, he didn't fit the "Chelsea" profile at the club
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What profile would that be?
comment by West London Express (U5874)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 9 minutes ago
Personally, being an ex-player and having watched clips of his training etc, Sarri is an excellent coach and tactician and I am not surprised that
a) Zola followed him at Chelsea - gleam Sarri's tactical nounce.
b) Juve went for him as soon as he made himself available.
Tbh, he didn't fit the "Chelsea" profile at the club
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What profile would that be?
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What? you don't know?
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by West London Express (U5874)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 9 minutes ago
Personally, being an ex-player and having watched clips of his training etc, Sarri is an excellent coach and tactician and I am not surprised that
a) Zola followed him at Chelsea - gleam Sarri's tactical nounce.
b) Juve went for him as soon as he made himself available.
Tbh, he didn't fit the "Chelsea" profile at the club
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What profile would that be?
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What? you don't know?
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I'm not an ex player, tell me!
Sarri is a smoker who says what he thinks without any taking into account hierarchy or the owners views. Not what the Russian owner wants at the club
Frank is clean shaven, doesn't smoke, and is part of the club and won't spill the beans : ie Mr Reliably under the owner
Frank won't rock the boat.
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 3 minutes ago
Sarri is a smoker who says what he thinks without any taking into account hierarchy or the owners views. Not what the Russian owner wants at the club
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Sarri would still be at the club if he wanted to be!
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comment by NPE (U22020)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by West London Express (U5874)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 3 minutes ago
Sarri is a smoker who says what he thinks without any taking into account hierarchy or the owners views. Not what the Russian owner wants at the club
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Sarri would still be at the club if he wanted to be!
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Why would he want to be? Juventus has better players and can make signings.
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Just stating a fact!
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posted 32 minutes ago
comment by The Mane Man ( life at this age is rubbish with no money #needajob) (U19731)
posted 17 minutes ago
Sarri did a good job considering there was no support from the Chelsea fans of the manager.
I thought he could have improved your team as he is a good tactical manager but it is now tough for any manager coming in.
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I agree that Sarri did a good job, but I think the majority of Chelsea fans DID support him. It was just the vocal minority of idiots (presumably, people like Simon above) who booed Sarri and Jorginho at times during the season.
It's fair to say that Sarri was standoffish, and was a difficult person to warm to - which I suspect didn't help his cause. If I had to guess I would say he was never convinced about being there himself - but that could be because of the lack of a committed support from the club itself until it was too late. He had a very poor run at the turn of the year when we were beaten soundly by Man City, Bournmouth and also Man Utd at home in the FA Cup, and I don't think some fans forgave him for that. We also had a run of 4 or even 5 away games in a row where we failed to score - not just win, but actually score a goal. So that was hard to watch.
But amazingly, that really poor period was sandwiched by some very good football indeed. The beginning of the season we looked unbeatable (until we weren't), and then we went on a great run at the end of the season where we stormed up to 3rd and won the Europa Cup, while those around us struggled. It was certainly mixed - but the people who suggest we played the worst football within memory (Simon, I'm looking at you) clearly have very short memories. Just last season we lost 1-0 to Man City (which admittedly is better than losing 6-0), but we had something like 20% possession. In fact the previous 2 managers made us into a counter-attacking team - which meant that we immediately conceded possession to better footballing teams like Man City and Liverpool - and others in Europe - and it was embarrassing at times. I don't want my team to play in such a cowardly way. And while it was taking a while to get to the point where everyone in the team was comfortable with the new way of playing, I loved the fact that we are confident enough to play out of defence, rather than just hoofing it upfield - which is what we used to do.
I don't know what the new manager (whoever it is) will want to do, but I would be surprised if we went back to the defensive counter-attacking football we used to play. I hope we can build on what Sarri started.
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comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted 32 minutes ago
No Sarri didn't do a good job, he got some good results, 3rd, and some cups. But that's papering over the cracks. We came 3rd more due the failures of the club's around us. We played probably the worst football I can certainly remember as well as the worst scorelines I can remember as a Chelsea fan. He is also too Stubborn and alienated vital squad players who could have helped. Seriously who would have gone into a huge campaign with just Morata and Giroud as your only 2 strikers? Even Fabragaes said he was too stubborn and another player who could have be utilized was let go midseason.
We were a laughing stock within 3 months with even the bookies were not allowing you to bet on CFC team choices and substitutions as it was too predictable, way too slow to adapt once we were worked out and too much reliance on Jorginho.
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With respect, I think anyone of that opinion has a rather short memory. The football under Mourinho's 2nd spell was dreadful after the initial first 6 months.
Likewise Conte's 2nd season delivered some pretty mundane football including, what in my opinion was the the worst display I've ever witnessed in over 50 years of watching Chelsea (though admittedly I don't remember too much about games my dad took me to as a 5 year old to my teenage days) with that dreadful 1-0 defeat at The Etihad, and I've witnessed us ship 6 and 7 goals at places like Ayresome Park, Millmoor and Molineaux.
Sarri himself, I personally think was given a raw deal with a stagnating squad, that in January I'd have bet my house on making top 6 at best. To finish 3rd and win the EL, I think was a remarkable achievement by him given the standard of the squad.
As for the main question from the OP, with the catalyst for last seasons success now plying his trade in Spain, I think it would be completely unfair to judge them against what Sarri achieved. The squad now will be even worse, with the new incumbent, whoever he may be, having no choice but to integrate the best of our academy.
I personally think that top 6 finish next season will be an acceptable achievement!
People go way overboard about how 'good' Sarri was. If Arsenal, Tottenham and Man Utd didn't collectively collapse in what was the most ridiculously pathetic race for top 4 in Premier League History, we would have finished a distant 6th in the league. Yes we won the Europa League, but that was again largely helped by a spineless Arsenal turning up in the final.
OK on paper it was a good season, but circumstance helped us a lot and 3rd place and Europa League winners flatters us in terms of it makes us look a lot better than we were.We weren't exactly playing like Guardiola's Barcelona throughout the season were we? In February we worse off under Sarri than we were under AVB and look what happened to him! If Sarri had been fired at that stage there would have been no complaints, so can we not pretend that this season was this flawless wonderful season where Sarri was so fantastic. He started excellently, was terrible mid season, pulled it back in the end but was helped by all of our rivals for top 4 completely collapsing and handing us 3rd place on a silver plate.
*not turning up in the final
Go away, you ain't one of us and never will be!
I'll go, just don't complain yeah?
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posted on 19/6/19
Nah that wouldn’t be reasonable considering we’ve just lost the best player in the league and won’t be signing anyone.
Will be nice to have everyone backing the manager this time.
posted on 19/6/19
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posted on 19/6/19
What was the main criticism for sarri, was it just how the team played?
Im curious how long frank will last if he changes to 'exciting football' but the results are poor
posted on 19/6/19
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posted on 19/6/19
Unfortunately what you’ve just typed in the OP is pretty much what Chelsea fans typed up 12 months back.
Sarri-ball was meant to be the answer to the fans frustrated at the lack of club direction. He needed to be given a season to bed the players into it. That after not having a preseason to work with the players.
Unfortunately fans today are too impatient.
Weirdly, with Frank you’d be appointing a more defensive minded manager.
posted on 19/6/19
Sarri did a good job considering there was no support from the Chelsea fans of the manager.
I thought he could have improved your team as he is a good tactical manager but it is now tough for any manager coming in.
posted on 19/6/19
No Sarri didn't do a good job, he got some good results, 3rd, and some cups. But that's papering over the cracks. We came 3rd more due the failures of the club's around us. We played probably the worst football I can certainly remember as well as the worst scorelines I can remember as a Chelsea fan. He is also too Stubborn and alienated vital squad players who could have helped. Seriously who would have gone into a huge campaign with just Morata and Giroud as your only 2 strikers? Even Fabragaes said he was too stubborn and another player who could have be utilized was let go midseason.
We were a laughing stock within 3 months with even the bookies were not allowing you to bet on CFC team choices and substitutions as it was too predictable, way too slow to adapt once we were worked out and too much reliance on Jorginho.
posted on 19/6/19
comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted 4 minutes ago
No Sarri didn't do a good job, he got some good results, 3rd, and some cups. But that's papering over the cracks. We came 3rd more due the failures of the club's around us. We played probably the worst football I can certainly remember as well as the worst scorelines I can remember as a Chelsea fan. He is also too Stubborn and alienated vital squad players who could have helped. Seriously who would have gone into a huge campaign with just Morata and Giroud as your only 2 strikers? Even Fabragaes said he was too stubborn and another player who could have be utilized was let go midseason.
We were a laughing stock within 3 months with even the bookies were not allowing you to bet on CFC team choices and substitutions as it was too predictable, way too slow to adapt once we were worked out and too much reliance on Jorginho.
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While the football was far from the best it was far from the worst in a long time.
It was certainly better than the garbage Conte produced in 17/18 and lets not get started on the Jose collapse period.
posted on 19/6/19
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posted on 19/6/19
comment by The Mane Man ( life at this age is rubbish with no money #needajob) (U19731)
posted 17 minutes ago
Sarri did a good job considering there was no support from the Chelsea fans of the manager.
I thought he could have improved your team as he is a good tactical manager but it is now tough for any manager coming in.
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I agree that Sarri did a good job, but I think the majority of Chelsea fans DID support him. It was just the vocal minority of idiots (presumably, people like Simon above) who booed Sarri and Jorginho at times during the season.
It's fair to say that Sarri was standoffish, and was a difficult person to warm to - which I suspect didn't help his cause. If I had to guess I would say he was never convinced about being there himself - but that could be because of the lack of a committed support from the club itself until it was too late. He had a very poor run at the turn of the year when we were beaten soundly by Man City, Bournmouth and also Man Utd at home in the FA Cup, and I don't think some fans forgave him for that. We also had a run of 4 or even 5 away games in a row where we failed to score - not just win, but actually score a goal. So that was hard to watch.
But amazingly, that really poor period was sandwiched by some very good football indeed. The beginning of the season we looked unbeatable (until we weren't), and then we went on a great run at the end of the season where we stormed up to 3rd and won the Europa Cup, while those around us struggled. It was certainly mixed - but the people who suggest we played the worst football within memory (Simon, I'm looking at you) clearly have very short memories. Just last season we lost 1-0 to Man City (which admittedly is better than losing 6-0), but we had something like 20% possession. In fact the previous 2 managers made us into a counter-attacking team - which meant that we immediately conceded possession to better footballing teams like Man City and Liverpool - and others in Europe - and it was embarrassing at times. I don't want my team to play in such a cowardly way. And while it was taking a while to get to the point where everyone in the team was comfortable with the new way of playing, I loved the fact that we are confident enough to play out of defence, rather than just hoofing it upfield - which is what we used to do.
I don't know what the new manager (whoever it is) will want to do, but I would be surprised if we went back to the defensive counter-attacking football we used to play. I hope we can build on what Sarri started.
posted on 19/6/19
Personally, being an ex-player and having watched clips of his training etc, Sarri is an excellent coach and tactician and I am not surprised that
a) Zola followed him at Chelsea - gleam Sarri's tactical nounce.
b) Juve went for him as soon as he made himself available.
Tbh, he didn't fit the "Chelsea" profile at the club
posted on 19/6/19
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 9 minutes ago
Personally, being an ex-player and having watched clips of his training etc, Sarri is an excellent coach and tactician and I am not surprised that
a) Zola followed him at Chelsea - gleam Sarri's tactical nounce.
b) Juve went for him as soon as he made himself available.
Tbh, he didn't fit the "Chelsea" profile at the club
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What profile would that be?
posted on 19/6/19
comment by West London Express (U5874)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 9 minutes ago
Personally, being an ex-player and having watched clips of his training etc, Sarri is an excellent coach and tactician and I am not surprised that
a) Zola followed him at Chelsea - gleam Sarri's tactical nounce.
b) Juve went for him as soon as he made himself available.
Tbh, he didn't fit the "Chelsea" profile at the club
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What profile would that be?
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What? you don't know?
posted on 19/6/19
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by West London Express (U5874)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 9 minutes ago
Personally, being an ex-player and having watched clips of his training etc, Sarri is an excellent coach and tactician and I am not surprised that
a) Zola followed him at Chelsea - gleam Sarri's tactical nounce.
b) Juve went for him as soon as he made himself available.
Tbh, he didn't fit the "Chelsea" profile at the club
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What profile would that be?
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What? you don't know?
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I'm not an ex player, tell me!
posted on 19/6/19
Sarri is a smoker who says what he thinks without any taking into account hierarchy or the owners views. Not what the Russian owner wants at the club
posted on 19/6/19
Frank is clean shaven, doesn't smoke, and is part of the club and won't spill the beans : ie Mr Reliably under the owner
Frank won't rock the boat.
posted on 19/6/19
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 3 minutes ago
Sarri is a smoker who says what he thinks without any taking into account hierarchy or the owners views. Not what the Russian owner wants at the club
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Sarri would still be at the club if he wanted to be!
posted on 19/6/19
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posted on 19/6/19
comment by NPE (U22020)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by West London Express (U5874)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by morespurs (U15748)
posted 3 minutes ago
Sarri is a smoker who says what he thinks without any taking into account hierarchy or the owners views. Not what the Russian owner wants at the club
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Sarri would still be at the club if he wanted to be!
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Why would he want to be? Juventus has better players and can make signings.
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Just stating a fact!
posted on 19/6/19
comment by BlueJ2 (U4630)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by The Mane Man ( life at this age is rubbish with no money #needajob) (U19731)
posted 17 minutes ago
Sarri did a good job considering there was no support from the Chelsea fans of the manager.
I thought he could have improved your team as he is a good tactical manager but it is now tough for any manager coming in.
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I agree that Sarri did a good job, but I think the majority of Chelsea fans DID support him. It was just the vocal minority of idiots (presumably, people like Simon above) who booed Sarri and Jorginho at times during the season.
It's fair to say that Sarri was standoffish, and was a difficult person to warm to - which I suspect didn't help his cause. If I had to guess I would say he was never convinced about being there himself - but that could be because of the lack of a committed support from the club itself until it was too late. He had a very poor run at the turn of the year when we were beaten soundly by Man City, Bournmouth and also Man Utd at home in the FA Cup, and I don't think some fans forgave him for that. We also had a run of 4 or even 5 away games in a row where we failed to score - not just win, but actually score a goal. So that was hard to watch.
But amazingly, that really poor period was sandwiched by some very good football indeed. The beginning of the season we looked unbeatable (until we weren't), and then we went on a great run at the end of the season where we stormed up to 3rd and won the Europa Cup, while those around us struggled. It was certainly mixed - but the people who suggest we played the worst football within memory (Simon, I'm looking at you) clearly have very short memories. Just last season we lost 1-0 to Man City (which admittedly is better than losing 6-0), but we had something like 20% possession. In fact the previous 2 managers made us into a counter-attacking team - which meant that we immediately conceded possession to better footballing teams like Man City and Liverpool - and others in Europe - and it was embarrassing at times. I don't want my team to play in such a cowardly way. And while it was taking a while to get to the point where everyone in the team was comfortable with the new way of playing, I loved the fact that we are confident enough to play out of defence, rather than just hoofing it upfield - which is what we used to do.
I don't know what the new manager (whoever it is) will want to do, but I would be surprised if we went back to the defensive counter-attacking football we used to play. I hope we can build on what Sarri started.
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posted on 19/6/19
comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted 32 minutes ago
No Sarri didn't do a good job, he got some good results, 3rd, and some cups. But that's papering over the cracks. We came 3rd more due the failures of the club's around us. We played probably the worst football I can certainly remember as well as the worst scorelines I can remember as a Chelsea fan. He is also too Stubborn and alienated vital squad players who could have helped. Seriously who would have gone into a huge campaign with just Morata and Giroud as your only 2 strikers? Even Fabragaes said he was too stubborn and another player who could have be utilized was let go midseason.
We were a laughing stock within 3 months with even the bookies were not allowing you to bet on CFC team choices and substitutions as it was too predictable, way too slow to adapt once we were worked out and too much reliance on Jorginho.
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With respect, I think anyone of that opinion has a rather short memory. The football under Mourinho's 2nd spell was dreadful after the initial first 6 months.
Likewise Conte's 2nd season delivered some pretty mundane football including, what in my opinion was the the worst display I've ever witnessed in over 50 years of watching Chelsea (though admittedly I don't remember too much about games my dad took me to as a 5 year old to my teenage days) with that dreadful 1-0 defeat at The Etihad, and I've witnessed us ship 6 and 7 goals at places like Ayresome Park, Millmoor and Molineaux.
Sarri himself, I personally think was given a raw deal with a stagnating squad, that in January I'd have bet my house on making top 6 at best. To finish 3rd and win the EL, I think was a remarkable achievement by him given the standard of the squad.
As for the main question from the OP, with the catalyst for last seasons success now plying his trade in Spain, I think it would be completely unfair to judge them against what Sarri achieved. The squad now will be even worse, with the new incumbent, whoever he may be, having no choice but to integrate the best of our academy.
I personally think that top 6 finish next season will be an acceptable achievement!
posted on 19/6/19
People go way overboard about how 'good' Sarri was. If Arsenal, Tottenham and Man Utd didn't collectively collapse in what was the most ridiculously pathetic race for top 4 in Premier League History, we would have finished a distant 6th in the league. Yes we won the Europa League, but that was again largely helped by a spineless Arsenal turning up in the final.
OK on paper it was a good season, but circumstance helped us a lot and 3rd place and Europa League winners flatters us in terms of it makes us look a lot better than we were.We weren't exactly playing like Guardiola's Barcelona throughout the season were we? In February we worse off under Sarri than we were under AVB and look what happened to him! If Sarri had been fired at that stage there would have been no complaints, so can we not pretend that this season was this flawless wonderful season where Sarri was so fantastic. He started excellently, was terrible mid season, pulled it back in the end but was helped by all of our rivals for top 4 completely collapsing and handing us 3rd place on a silver plate.
posted on 19/6/19
*not turning up in the final
posted on 19/6/19
Go away, you ain't one of us and never will be!
posted on 19/6/19
I'll go, just don't complain yeah?
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