comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
As you said, it depends on what direction Lampard takes. I do like Jorginho, and I’m interested to see how he plays outside of a system, but we do have many players who are/could be frightening on the transition (e.g., Pulisic, CHO, RLC, Kante)
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Jorgino had a very strange year, I backed him, then got the hump a bit, and then he had a strong finish to the season.
Surprisingly it was his defensive nous and reading of the game that excelled this year, his passing was actually pretty poor at times.
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comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 5 minutes ago
He is very good at reading the game and making interceptions, but he is reliant on defending zonally. If Lampard continues his approach of committing more players forward his lack of pace could be an issue for us, like in the games where he was forced to cover areas of the pitch outside his responsibility.
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NPE, you cannot be serious !,this RM side are a shambles,I take us over them at this moment in time .
As you said, it depends on what direction Lampard takes. I do like Jorginho, and I’m interested to see how he plays outside of a system, but we do have many players who are/could be frightening on the transition (e.g., Pulisic, CHO, RLC, Kante)
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Jorgino had a very strange year, I backed him, then got the hump a bit, and then he had a strong finish to the season.
Surprisingly it was his defensive nous and reading of the game that excelled this year, his passing was actually pretty poor at times.
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Something changed around Nov-Dec. I dunno if it was Sarri or Jorginho himself but he stopped playing like a Regista advancing between/beyond the CM's, he began sitting back like a standard DLP - was no surprise he had a couple of dodgy months, he lacks the strength for that role and made him easy to man mark. He grew into it as the season developed but he was still most effective when he drifted up the pitch (e.g. Brighton home).
Seeing how he'll perform for a different manager will be very interesting. As Sideshow says his reading of the game is sound but he lacks the aggression/pace to press, so I see him adopting more of a shuttler role in the defensive phase outside of the 433, which is fine if Kante's next to him.
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 6 hours, 13 minutes ago
We have an option to loan for a season I think I read...I'd take that option up myself
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Sheriff, my understanding is that RM, want to sell and not to loan, in order to fund moves for other more high profile.
As many have said, he's an ok player but brings very little to the table to justify a big spend + a 3 year minimum contract.
We'd be then going into the next transfer window that we can trade in with him stuck on our books, minus all that money we could have spent on a player who could make a difference.
I see no logic in a move like this whatsoever!
comment by harlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 28 minutes ago
NPE, you cannot be serious !,this RM side are a shambles,I take us over them at this moment in time .
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hmm yeah id probably say kepa, rudiger, azpi(maybe not on last years form)kante...thats about it though
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 6 hours, 13 minutes ago
We have an option to loan for a season I think I read...I'd take that option up myself
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Sheriff, my understanding is that RM, want to sell and not to loan, in order to fund moves for other more high profile.
As many have said, he's an ok player but brings very little to the table to justify a big spend + a 3 year minimum contract.
We'd be then going into the next transfer window that we can trade in with him stuck on our books, minus all that money we could have spent on a player who could make a difference.
I see no logic in a move like this whatsoever!
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brummie you old dog, how the devil are ya!?
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 6 hours, 13 minutes ago
We have an option to loan for a season I think I read...I'd take that option up myself
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Sheriff, my understanding is that RM, want to sell and not to loan, in order to fund moves for other more high profile.
As many have said, he's an ok player but brings very little to the table to justify a big spend + a 3 year minimum contract.
We'd be then going into the next transfer window that we can trade in with him stuck on our books, minus all that money we could have spent on a player who could make a difference.
I see no logic in a move like this whatsoever!
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brummie you old dog, how the devil are ya!?
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Looking forward to our next drinks in Simmons bar with 69 and JFDI
yes mate buzzing. You going to try and get leicester tix?
Kovacic reminds me of a seat filler at the Oscars - he's there to fill space until someone better takes over. I am quite sure we would not consider paying £50M for him if it weren't for the fact that we are under a transfer ban. He's nice to have if our good players aren't fit - but certainly not worth wasting half of our Hazard money on. Let's hold onto that for next year when we can use it all on actual first team players - rather than a neat and tidy substitute.
The thing about Lampard is - he is not going to be judged on this year alone. He has a free hit this coming season, so why not take a risk on playing Mason Mount instead of Kovacic. We already have Jorginho, Barkley and Kante for the middle. And I suspect it would be a no-brainer to ignore Kovacic and go with RLC had he been fit. In a sense, the only reason to invest in Kovacic would be to cover for RLC - which may be until the end of 2019. Which seems a ridiculous waste of money for just a few months. Is Kovacic going to get game time after December? I can't see it.
Plus - we already have Drinkwater and Bakayoko as substitutes if we are desperate, and those guys are free. Is Kovacic £50M better than those guys? As a substitute?
I'd steer well clear of buying Kovacic unless we could get him for peanuts. Still not sure exactly what he brings to the team and when he plays alongside Jorginho we're far too negative and toothless.
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 46 seconds ago
I'd steer well clear of buying Kovacic unless we could get him for peanuts. Still not sure exactly what he brings to the team and when he plays alongside Jorginho we're far too negative and toothless.
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Well I am hoping the Jorginho issue was just related to him following the managers instructions. And that both him and Kova can move a little higher and Kante can come more back in the middle.
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/comments/c5txjy/
comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 46 seconds ago
I'd steer well clear of buying Kovacic unless we could get him for peanuts. Still not sure exactly what he brings to the team and when he plays alongside Jorginho we're far too negative and toothless.
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Well I am hoping the Jorginho issue was just related to him following the managers instructions. And that both him and Kova can move a little higher and Kante can come more back in the middle.
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I don't think so. I'd say that's just how Kova plays. I'd take him as a useful squad player in a season where we can't buy players but I'd rather the club looked at the likes of Mount and Ampadu to play a bigger part next season.
Well lets hope that the next week goes very quickly is all I want to say. Style but no substance for me. No end-product footballer IMO.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 6 hours, 14 minutes ago
yes mate buzzing. You going to try and get leicester tix?
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Love to obviously Nick, depends on a few things, mainly where I'll be working.
I'd rather have a ticket for the Yoonited game though!
comment by Randomer (U5245)
posted 2 hours, 36 minutes ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/comments/c5txjy/
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Can you translate that for me Randy!
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 10 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 6 hours, 14 minutes ago
yes mate buzzing. You going to try and get leicester tix?
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Love to obviously Nick, depends on a few things, mainly where I'll be working.
I'd rather have a ticket for the Yoonited game though!
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yeah that would be a good day out mate, ill see what i can do
Only 40 million !, lets hope Frank can get a bit more out of him then, .......................................just hope he likes him !
Looks like it's happening. I feel like we've just wasted a huge portion of the Hazard money that could be put to better use next season.
I just don't see him as integral to anything that he'll make a huge difference to us.
Still, as always support anyone who has the Blue shirt on when the cross the white line!
I just wonder as to whether Frank might have been consulted ?
comment by harlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 5 hours, 30 minutes ago
I just wonder as to whether Frank might have been consulted ?
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I would hope so. Although they clearly don't consult the people on ja606.
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posted on 26/6/19
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
As you said, it depends on what direction Lampard takes. I do like Jorginho, and I’m interested to see how he plays outside of a system, but we do have many players who are/could be frightening on the transition (e.g., Pulisic, CHO, RLC, Kante)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jorgino had a very strange year, I backed him, then got the hump a bit, and then he had a strong finish to the season.
Surprisingly it was his defensive nous and reading of the game that excelled this year, his passing was actually pretty poor at times.
posted on 26/6/19
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posted on 26/6/19
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted 5 minutes ago
He is very good at reading the game and making interceptions, but he is reliant on defending zonally. If Lampard continues his approach of committing more players forward his lack of pace could be an issue for us, like in the games where he was forced to cover areas of the pitch outside his responsibility.
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heung min song
posted on 26/6/19
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 26/6/19
NPE, you cannot be serious !,this RM side are a shambles,I take us over them at this moment in time .
posted on 26/6/19
As you said, it depends on what direction Lampard takes. I do like Jorginho, and I’m interested to see how he plays outside of a system, but we do have many players who are/could be frightening on the transition (e.g., Pulisic, CHO, RLC, Kante)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jorgino had a very strange year, I backed him, then got the hump a bit, and then he had a strong finish to the season.
Surprisingly it was his defensive nous and reading of the game that excelled this year, his passing was actually pretty poor at times.
------------------------------------------------------
Something changed around Nov-Dec. I dunno if it was Sarri or Jorginho himself but he stopped playing like a Regista advancing between/beyond the CM's, he began sitting back like a standard DLP - was no surprise he had a couple of dodgy months, he lacks the strength for that role and made him easy to man mark. He grew into it as the season developed but he was still most effective when he drifted up the pitch (e.g. Brighton home).
Seeing how he'll perform for a different manager will be very interesting. As Sideshow says his reading of the game is sound but he lacks the aggression/pace to press, so I see him adopting more of a shuttler role in the defensive phase outside of the 433, which is fine if Kante's next to him.
posted on 26/6/19
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 6 hours, 13 minutes ago
We have an option to loan for a season I think I read...I'd take that option up myself
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Sheriff, my understanding is that RM, want to sell and not to loan, in order to fund moves for other more high profile.
As many have said, he's an ok player but brings very little to the table to justify a big spend + a 3 year minimum contract.
We'd be then going into the next transfer window that we can trade in with him stuck on our books, minus all that money we could have spent on a player who could make a difference.
I see no logic in a move like this whatsoever!
posted on 26/6/19
comment by harlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 28 minutes ago
NPE, you cannot be serious !,this RM side are a shambles,I take us over them at this moment in time .
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hmm yeah id probably say kepa, rudiger, azpi(maybe not on last years form)kante...thats about it though
posted on 26/6/19
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 6 hours, 13 minutes ago
We have an option to loan for a season I think I read...I'd take that option up myself
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sheriff, my understanding is that RM, want to sell and not to loan, in order to fund moves for other more high profile.
As many have said, he's an ok player but brings very little to the table to justify a big spend + a 3 year minimum contract.
We'd be then going into the next transfer window that we can trade in with him stuck on our books, minus all that money we could have spent on a player who could make a difference.
I see no logic in a move like this whatsoever!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
brummie you old dog, how the devil are ya!?
posted on 26/6/19
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 6 hours, 13 minutes ago
We have an option to loan for a season I think I read...I'd take that option up myself
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sheriff, my understanding is that RM, want to sell and not to loan, in order to fund moves for other more high profile.
As many have said, he's an ok player but brings very little to the table to justify a big spend + a 3 year minimum contract.
We'd be then going into the next transfer window that we can trade in with him stuck on our books, minus all that money we could have spent on a player who could make a difference.
I see no logic in a move like this whatsoever!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
brummie you old dog, how the devil are ya!?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Looking forward to our next drinks in Simmons bar with 69 and JFDI
posted on 26/6/19
yes mate buzzing. You going to try and get leicester tix?
posted on 26/6/19
Kovacic reminds me of a seat filler at the Oscars - he's there to fill space until someone better takes over. I am quite sure we would not consider paying £50M for him if it weren't for the fact that we are under a transfer ban. He's nice to have if our good players aren't fit - but certainly not worth wasting half of our Hazard money on. Let's hold onto that for next year when we can use it all on actual first team players - rather than a neat and tidy substitute.
The thing about Lampard is - he is not going to be judged on this year alone. He has a free hit this coming season, so why not take a risk on playing Mason Mount instead of Kovacic. We already have Jorginho, Barkley and Kante for the middle. And I suspect it would be a no-brainer to ignore Kovacic and go with RLC had he been fit. In a sense, the only reason to invest in Kovacic would be to cover for RLC - which may be until the end of 2019. Which seems a ridiculous waste of money for just a few months. Is Kovacic going to get game time after December? I can't see it.
posted on 26/6/19
Plus - we already have Drinkwater and Bakayoko as substitutes if we are desperate, and those guys are free. Is Kovacic £50M better than those guys? As a substitute?
posted on 26/6/19
I'd steer well clear of buying Kovacic unless we could get him for peanuts. Still not sure exactly what he brings to the team and when he plays alongside Jorginho we're far too negative and toothless.
posted on 26/6/19
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 46 seconds ago
I'd steer well clear of buying Kovacic unless we could get him for peanuts. Still not sure exactly what he brings to the team and when he plays alongside Jorginho we're far too negative and toothless.
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Well I am hoping the Jorginho issue was just related to him following the managers instructions. And that both him and Kova can move a little higher and Kante can come more back in the middle.
posted on 26/6/19
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/comments/c5txjy/
posted on 26/6/19
comment by Simon West (U1830)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 46 seconds ago
I'd steer well clear of buying Kovacic unless we could get him for peanuts. Still not sure exactly what he brings to the team and when he plays alongside Jorginho we're far too negative and toothless.
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Well I am hoping the Jorginho issue was just related to him following the managers instructions. And that both him and Kova can move a little higher and Kante can come more back in the middle.
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I don't think so. I'd say that's just how Kova plays. I'd take him as a useful squad player in a season where we can't buy players but I'd rather the club looked at the likes of Mount and Ampadu to play a bigger part next season.
posted on 26/6/19
Well lets hope that the next week goes very quickly is all I want to say. Style but no substance for me. No end-product footballer IMO.
posted on 26/6/19
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 6 hours, 14 minutes ago
yes mate buzzing. You going to try and get leicester tix?
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Love to obviously Nick, depends on a few things, mainly where I'll be working.
I'd rather have a ticket for the Yoonited game though!
posted on 26/6/19
comment by Randomer (U5245)
posted 2 hours, 36 minutes ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/comments/c5txjy/
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Can you translate that for me Randy!
posted on 27/6/19
comment by BrummieBlue! (U3487)
posted 10 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 6 hours, 14 minutes ago
yes mate buzzing. You going to try and get leicester tix?
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Love to obviously Nick, depends on a few things, mainly where I'll be working.
I'd rather have a ticket for the Yoonited game though!
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yeah that would be a good day out mate, ill see what i can do
posted on 27/6/19
Only 40 million !, lets hope Frank can get a bit more out of him then, .......................................just hope he likes him !
posted on 27/6/19
Looks like it's happening. I feel like we've just wasted a huge portion of the Hazard money that could be put to better use next season.
I just don't see him as integral to anything that he'll make a huge difference to us.
Still, as always support anyone who has the Blue shirt on when the cross the white line!
posted on 27/6/19
I just wonder as to whether Frank might have been consulted ?
posted on 27/6/19
comment by harlequinHebdo (U16981)
posted 5 hours, 30 minutes ago
I just wonder as to whether Frank might have been consulted ?
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I would hope so. Although they clearly don't consult the people on ja606.
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