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comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
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It just seems arsenal have hardly spent in like 15 years, have a huge stadium and are a big club with big following. Just baffling how they cannot spend, and never do. But I guess the proof is in the pudding.
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Erm, our net spend (ie what the club spend) is greater over 5 years than all but the free spending Mancs.
Then what you been doing DJ! lol.
Na I did not actually know that, baffling. I doubt I could put together who those signings, other than auba and lacazette, are. I think Arsenal lose out a lot on their ridiculous running down of contracts. Sanchez, ramsey and maybe a couple of others should have made you over £100m the last few years.
The NET spend thing is deceiving though. Yes, we haven't spent wisely (to say the least) but our selling strategy has been pitiful.
Wenger basically acknowledging that he'd often let players go for less than they were worth, as he didn't want to upset them.
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 18 seconds ago
The NET spend thing is deceiving though. Yes, we haven't spent wisely (to say the least) but our selling strategy has been pitiful.
Wenger basically acknowledging that he'd often let players go for less than they were worth, as he didn't want to upset them.
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Well that's not deceiving is it? It looked at from a NET position so either you are spending loads, not selling well or both.
Just poorly run when you've got Ramsey leaving on a free transfer and paying Ozil £250,000 a week. Mkhitaryan wasn't a good swap deal and thought Lichsteiner would be able to play RB in England at aged 34.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
Then what you been doing DJ! lol.
Na I did not actually know that, baffling. I doubt I could put together who those signings, other than auba and lacazette, are. I think Arsenal lose out a lot on their ridiculous running down of contracts. Sanchez, ramsey and maybe a couple of others should have made you over £100m the last few years.
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These are some of the 'significant' fees we've spend over the last few years:
Mesut Ozil - £42.5m
Alexis Sanchez - £35m
Mathieu Debuchy - £12m
Danny Welbeck - £16m
Calum Chambers - £11m
Gabriel Paulista - £12m
Mohamed Elneny - £7.5m
Petr Cech - £10m
Shkodran Mustafi - £35m
Granit Xhaka - £35m
Lucas Perez - £18m
Alex Lacazette - £46.5m
Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang - £56m
Bernd Leno - £22.5m
Sokratis - £14.4m
Lucas Torreira - £27m
Matteo Guendouzi - £7m
There's others I've missed out like Bielik, Ospina, Jeff Reine-Adelaide etc, all of whom came to the club for fees under £4m, but we have definitely been spending money over the years.
Wenger's main fault is his believe in players to come good or to get rid of their injury issues.
Samir I feel for you guys man. That is a lot of crap in there.
Exactly my point, Hugo. You can't just say 'oh look, Arsenal have spent loads on players' and be done with it.
Half the problem is the lack of money generated through player sales - even those from the academy deemed expendable at the time.
Kroenke's lack of leadership has allowed this situation to develop to the point it is now strangling the club.
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 1 minute ago
Wenger's main fault is his believe in players to come good or to get rid of their injury issues.
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Worked for Bergkamp (admittedly a Rioch era signing, but played his best football under Wenger)
Overmars too.
Wenger's problem was, much like a middle aged woman keeping the same hairdo she had for her heyday, he continued to live in the past, despite the obvious facts that times had changed.
To be fair, some of those fees we paid were because of money recouped from player sales i.e. Oxlade-Chamberlain to Liverpool £40m, Giroud to Chelsea £18m, Coquelin to Valencia £12m, Walcott to Everton £20m etc, but by and large, a lot of money we've spent has been on poor signings.
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 4 minutes ago
Exactly my point, Hugo. You can't just say 'oh look, Arsenal have spent loads on players' and be done with it.
Half the problem is the lack of money generated through player sales - even those from the academy deemed expendable at the time.
Kroenke's lack of leadership has allowed this situation to develop to the point it is now strangling the club.
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Just poorly run to be honest. You've let go of Gnabry too who is now Bayern's POTS. I think some fans will realise that despite Wenger's decline he was still doing a brilliant job having Arsenal in the top four and winning a cup trophy now and then.
Decision making (by whoever it's coming from) it's quite terrible (long may it continue) so I don't see how you guys battle your way back especially now with Spurs wage structure slowly but surely increasing which means it becomes a better proposition for players.
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 1 minute ago
Wenger's main fault is his believe in players to come good or to get rid of their injury issues.
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Worked for Bergkamp (admittedly a Rioch era signing, but played his best football under Wenger)
Overmars too.
Wenger's problem was, much like a middle aged woman keeping the same hairdo she had for her heyday, he continued to live in the past, despite the obvious facts that times had changed.
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Haven't worked for too many others.
Arsenal built the Emirates just in that time when oil money came into the game. Nothing we could have learnt from and no vision what an impact that oil money would make. That isnt alone Wenger's fault. Wenger said recently he was loyal to Arsenal and signed a 5 years contract to finance the Emirates. Otherwise the banks wouldnt have given us a penny.
Just poorly run to be honest. You've let go of Gnabry too who is now Bayern's POTS. I think some fans will realise that despite Wenger's decline he was still doing a brilliant job having Arsenal in the top four and winning a cup trophy now and then.
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Why people always comes up with this Gnabry thing. There is more about that then simply then saying we let him go for peanuts.
That moaning pu$sy Zaha is the last thing we need.
Oh come on, Gt, you really think the banks only agreed to refinance the debt based on Wenger being the manager of the club?
Getting £40m for a crocked Oxlaide Chamberlain is probably the best business Arsenal have done in years
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 1 minute ago
Oh come on, Gt, you really think the banks only agreed to refinance the debt based on Wenger being the manager of the club?
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He said so yes.
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 2 minutes ago
Oh come on, Gt, you really think the banks only agreed to refinance the debt based on Wenger being the manager of the club?
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Well he's gone and you're in Europa League. Seems farfetched but the bank will look at potential revenue forecast and believed with him out you'd decline and have less funds available.
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 1 minute ago
Oh come on, Gt, you really think the banks only agreed to refinance the debt based on Wenger being the manager of the club?
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He said so yes.
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So what if he said that? That's not how it works How irresponsible would it be for a bank to make a huge decision like that based on something as unstable as a manager staying/leaving a club?
Well he's gone and you're in Europa League.
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What? He is the reason we are in the Europa League...we were there for two consecutive years before Emery even took over.
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 1 minute ago
Oh come on, Gt, you really think the banks only agreed to refinance the debt based on Wenger being the manager of the club?
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He said so yes.
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Not possible that he might have been a little loose with his facts?
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 5 minutes ago
Getting £40m for a crocked Oxlaide Chamberlain is probably the best business Arsenal have done in years
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Still makes me chuckle that one.
comment by Samir - Bottlers FC (U2630)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 1 minute ago
Oh come on, Gt, you really think the banks only agreed to refinance the debt based on Wenger being the manager of the club?
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He said so yes.
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So what if he said that? That's not how it worksHow irresponsible would it be for a bank to make a huge decision like that based on something as unstable as a manager staying/leaving a club?
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guess there were more banks involved and Wenger staying for longer not the only reason for them to help to finance the Emirates.
They werent disappointed much. For 20 years consecutive in the CL.
There was more to it than just Wenger staying on as manager.
That's a massive oversimplification of the matter, GT.
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posted on 27/6/19
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
ACE
It just seems arsenal have hardly spent in like 15 years, have a huge stadium and are a big club with big following. Just baffling how they cannot spend, and never do. But I guess the proof is in the pudding.
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Erm, our net spend (ie what the club spend) is greater over 5 years than all but the free spending Mancs.
posted on 27/6/19
Then what you been doing DJ! lol.
Na I did not actually know that, baffling. I doubt I could put together who those signings, other than auba and lacazette, are. I think Arsenal lose out a lot on their ridiculous running down of contracts. Sanchez, ramsey and maybe a couple of others should have made you over £100m the last few years.
posted on 27/6/19
The NET spend thing is deceiving though. Yes, we haven't spent wisely (to say the least) but our selling strategy has been pitiful.
Wenger basically acknowledging that he'd often let players go for less than they were worth, as he didn't want to upset them.
posted on 27/6/19
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 18 seconds ago
The NET spend thing is deceiving though. Yes, we haven't spent wisely (to say the least) but our selling strategy has been pitiful.
Wenger basically acknowledging that he'd often let players go for less than they were worth, as he didn't want to upset them.
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Well that's not deceiving is it? It looked at from a NET position so either you are spending loads, not selling well or both.
Just poorly run when you've got Ramsey leaving on a free transfer and paying Ozil £250,000 a week. Mkhitaryan wasn't a good swap deal and thought Lichsteiner would be able to play RB in England at aged 34.
posted on 27/6/19
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 1 minute ago
Then what you been doing DJ! lol.
Na I did not actually know that, baffling. I doubt I could put together who those signings, other than auba and lacazette, are. I think Arsenal lose out a lot on their ridiculous running down of contracts. Sanchez, ramsey and maybe a couple of others should have made you over £100m the last few years.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
These are some of the 'significant' fees we've spend over the last few years:
Mesut Ozil - £42.5m
Alexis Sanchez - £35m
Mathieu Debuchy - £12m
Danny Welbeck - £16m
Calum Chambers - £11m
Gabriel Paulista - £12m
Mohamed Elneny - £7.5m
Petr Cech - £10m
Shkodran Mustafi - £35m
Granit Xhaka - £35m
Lucas Perez - £18m
Alex Lacazette - £46.5m
Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang - £56m
Bernd Leno - £22.5m
Sokratis - £14.4m
Lucas Torreira - £27m
Matteo Guendouzi - £7m
There's others I've missed out like Bielik, Ospina, Jeff Reine-Adelaide etc, all of whom came to the club for fees under £4m, but we have definitely been spending money over the years.
posted on 27/6/19
Wenger's main fault is his believe in players to come good or to get rid of their injury issues.
posted on 27/6/19
Samir I feel for you guys man. That is a lot of crap in there.
posted on 27/6/19
Exactly my point, Hugo. You can't just say 'oh look, Arsenal have spent loads on players' and be done with it.
Half the problem is the lack of money generated through player sales - even those from the academy deemed expendable at the time.
Kroenke's lack of leadership has allowed this situation to develop to the point it is now strangling the club.
posted on 27/6/19
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 1 minute ago
Wenger's main fault is his believe in players to come good or to get rid of their injury issues.
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Worked for Bergkamp (admittedly a Rioch era signing, but played his best football under Wenger)
Overmars too.
Wenger's problem was, much like a middle aged woman keeping the same hairdo she had for her heyday, he continued to live in the past, despite the obvious facts that times had changed.
posted on 27/6/19
To be fair, some of those fees we paid were because of money recouped from player sales i.e. Oxlade-Chamberlain to Liverpool £40m, Giroud to Chelsea £18m, Coquelin to Valencia £12m, Walcott to Everton £20m etc, but by and large, a lot of money we've spent has been on poor signings.
posted on 27/6/19
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 4 minutes ago
Exactly my point, Hugo. You can't just say 'oh look, Arsenal have spent loads on players' and be done with it.
Half the problem is the lack of money generated through player sales - even those from the academy deemed expendable at the time.
Kroenke's lack of leadership has allowed this situation to develop to the point it is now strangling the club.
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Just poorly run to be honest. You've let go of Gnabry too who is now Bayern's POTS. I think some fans will realise that despite Wenger's decline he was still doing a brilliant job having Arsenal in the top four and winning a cup trophy now and then.
Decision making (by whoever it's coming from) it's quite terrible (long may it continue) so I don't see how you guys battle your way back especially now with Spurs wage structure slowly but surely increasing which means it becomes a better proposition for players.
posted on 27/6/19
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 1 minute ago
Wenger's main fault is his believe in players to come good or to get rid of their injury issues.
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Worked for Bergkamp (admittedly a Rioch era signing, but played his best football under Wenger)
Overmars too.
Wenger's problem was, much like a middle aged woman keeping the same hairdo she had for her heyday, he continued to live in the past, despite the obvious facts that times had changed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Haven't worked for too many others.
Arsenal built the Emirates just in that time when oil money came into the game. Nothing we could have learnt from and no vision what an impact that oil money would make. That isnt alone Wenger's fault. Wenger said recently he was loyal to Arsenal and signed a 5 years contract to finance the Emirates. Otherwise the banks wouldnt have given us a penny.
posted on 27/6/19
Just poorly run to be honest. You've let go of Gnabry too who is now Bayern's POTS. I think some fans will realise that despite Wenger's decline he was still doing a brilliant job having Arsenal in the top four and winning a cup trophy now and then.
______
Why people always comes up with this Gnabry thing. There is more about that then simply then saying we let him go for peanuts.
posted on 27/6/19
That moaning pu$sy Zaha is the last thing we need.
posted on 27/6/19
Oh come on, Gt, you really think the banks only agreed to refinance the debt based on Wenger being the manager of the club?
posted on 27/6/19
Getting £40m for a crocked Oxlaide Chamberlain is probably the best business Arsenal have done in years
posted on 27/6/19
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 1 minute ago
Oh come on, Gt, you really think the banks only agreed to refinance the debt based on Wenger being the manager of the club?
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He said so yes.
posted on 27/6/19
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 2 minutes ago
Oh come on, Gt, you really think the banks only agreed to refinance the debt based on Wenger being the manager of the club?
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Well he's gone and you're in Europa League. Seems farfetched but the bank will look at potential revenue forecast and believed with him out you'd decline and have less funds available.
posted on 27/6/19
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 1 minute ago
Oh come on, Gt, you really think the banks only agreed to refinance the debt based on Wenger being the manager of the club?
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He said so yes.
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So what if he said that? That's not how it works How irresponsible would it be for a bank to make a huge decision like that based on something as unstable as a manager staying/leaving a club?
posted on 27/6/19
Well he's gone and you're in Europa League.
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What? He is the reason we are in the Europa League...we were there for two consecutive years before Emery even took over.
posted on 27/6/19
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 1 minute ago
Oh come on, Gt, you really think the banks only agreed to refinance the debt based on Wenger being the manager of the club?
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He said so yes.
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Not possible that he might have been a little loose with his facts?
posted on 27/6/19
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 5 minutes ago
Getting £40m for a crocked Oxlaide Chamberlain is probably the best business Arsenal have done in years
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Still makes me chuckle that one.
posted on 27/6/19
comment by Samir - Bottlers FC (U2630)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 1 minute ago
Oh come on, Gt, you really think the banks only agreed to refinance the debt based on Wenger being the manager of the club?
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He said so yes.
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So what if he said that? That's not how it worksHow irresponsible would it be for a bank to make a huge decision like that based on something as unstable as a manager staying/leaving a club?
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guess there were more banks involved and Wenger staying for longer not the only reason for them to help to finance the Emirates.
They werent disappointed much. For 20 years consecutive in the CL.
posted on 27/6/19
There was more to it than just Wenger staying on as manager.
That's a massive oversimplification of the matter, GT.
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