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Poll - Sell Auba Buy Zaha?

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comment by Samir (U2630)

posted on 27/6/19

http://www.arsenalnewsreview.co.uk/new-stadium-debt-re/

If you're interested in the intricacies of the details GT, these are the reasons for the refinancing of debt for The Emirates move.

posted on 27/6/19

comment by Samir - Bottlers FC (U2630)
posted 6 minutes ago
There was more to it than just Wenger staying on as manager.

That's a massive oversimplification of the matter, GT.
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I haven't said Wenger was the only reason though

posted on 27/6/19

You intimated that that was the case though, Gt.

What if Wenger had, for ill health or whatever, no longer been able to manage? What would the banks have done then?

posted on 27/6/19

Would be like selling your mint condition Ferrari to buy a clapped out Fiat Cinquecento for the same price

comment by Samir (U2630)

posted on 27/6/19

GT, you said:

"Wenger said recently he was loyal to Arsenal and signed a 5 years contract to finance the Emirates. Otherwise the banks wouldnt have given us a penny."

Which means had Wenger not stayed on, the banks - to quote your own words - "wouldn't have given us a penny".

So you clearly thought Wenger staying/going would be the biggest factor between refinancing the stadium or not.

I'm telling you that's not how it works and the link I posted above will tell you that as well.

It's totally naive to think this would be the case.

posted on 27/6/19

comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 5 minutes ago
Getting £40m for a crocked Oxlaide Chamberlain is probably the best business Arsenal have done in years
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Still makes me chuckle that one.
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Bet he’s chuckling with his CL medal!

posted on 27/6/19

comment by Samir - Bottlers FC (U2630)
posted 49 minutes ago
Well he's gone and you're in Europa League.
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What? He is the reason we are in the Europa League...we were there for two consecutive years before Emery even took over.
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Emirates was way before you dropped to Europa League and the bank assessment (if all true anyway) would of been that you'd have dropped sooner rather than later if Wenger had gone.

Or at the very least it would have probably caused an instability and doubt of who next manages and how they will do compared to the consistent Wenger.

Predictable = good

posted on 27/6/19

Yeah honestly can't imagine that being true unless Wenger was putting his Economics degree to use and holding an executive position at the bank on the side

comment by Ruiney (U1005)

posted on 27/6/19

comment by KLS - Lets talk about 6 BABY...... (U1695)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Martial FC (U11781)
posted 5 minutes ago
Getting £40m for a crocked Oxlaide Chamberlain is probably the best business Arsenal have done in years
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Still makes me chuckle that one.
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Bet he’s chuckling with his CL medal!
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His contribution was massive

comment by 8bit (U2653)

posted on 27/6/19

Zaha would improve us massively.. mainly down to our lack of wingers but I have doubts about him at a top club. Although it's great to have two quality strikers it causes a problem in forcing us to play 2 up front or one out of position, so for that reason plus Auba being 30 I would actually take this deal.

posted on 27/6/19

You're right Samir. I simplyfied a bit. Wenger's contract surely helped though. No one could imagine how things turned out after the oil money came into the game. 👍

posted on 27/6/19

30 is just a number. You don't let go of your top scorer for 'the future' and one where Zaha isn't going to guarantee. Wenger did this for years thinking he could have them all grow and stay together but without winning what happens is the stars of that season start looking elsewhere.

comment by 8bit (U2653)

posted on 27/6/19

It's not just a number though, he'll start to lose his pace soon which is a massive part of his game so he'll become a lot less effective over the next 2 or 3 years. Auba is the better poacher but Laca has a much better all round game and we've looked better with him leading the line. I'm not knocking Auba but I've said all season it's a problem having two quality strikers and no wide players when we only want to play one up front.

posted on 27/6/19

comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 37 minutes ago
30 is just a number. You don't let go of your top scorer for 'the future' and one where Zaha isn't going to guarantee. Wenger did this for years thinking he could have them all grow and stay together but without winning what happens is the stars of that season start looking elsewhere.
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They are gone because of more money elsewhere.

posted on 27/6/19

comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 37 minutes ago
30 is just a number. You don't let go of your top scorer for 'the future' and one where Zaha isn't going to guarantee. Wenger did this for years thinking he could have them all grow and stay together but without winning what happens is the stars of that season start looking elsewhere.
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They are gone because of more money elsewhere.
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You'd never move to take a pay cut. Negotiating a higher wage comes with a transfer and because they've developed... Fabregas, Nasri, RvP and many others left and won trophies.

If you had invested in a couple of star and experienced players during that period you might have won more yourself and kept those guys longer.

posted on 27/6/19

comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Boss By Hugo (U18550)
posted 37 minutes ago
30 is just a number. You don't let go of your top scorer for 'the future' and one where Zaha isn't going to guarantee. Wenger did this for years thinking he could have them all grow and stay together but without winning what happens is the stars of that season start looking elsewhere.
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They are gone because of more money elsewhere.
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You'd never move to take a pay cut. Negotiating a higher wage comes with a transfer and because they've developed... Fabregas, Nasri, RvP and many others left and won trophies.

If you had invested in a couple of star and experienced players during that period you might have won more yourself and kept those guys longer.

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We invested though and won the FA cup several times. What hurts is that we havent qualified for the CL.

posted on 27/6/19

I would entertain the idea of selling Auba if it was a massive fee and to a team outside of England

We need funds, Lacazette is quality as well as younger and we are so short of quality in other key areas that it could be a case of taking one step back for two steps forward. Big gamble but has worked for other sides.

But selling him to a rival and then buying an overrated player like Zaha would be completely mental

posted on 27/6/19

For me Laca and Auba don't work playing together. Realistically playing 1 will work moving forward.

If we received 50-60M for Auba I would happily sell and get Zaha.

Like someone has said already, neither will be happy sitting on the bench.

posted on 27/6/19

But of course wouldn't sell to a rival

posted on 27/6/19

Zaha just isn't that good though, that's the silliest thing.

He's 26 (27 in November) and incredibly inconsistent FFS

posted on 27/6/19

comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 11 minutes ago
For me Laca and Auba don't work playing together. Realistically playing 1 will work moving forward.

If we received 50-60M for Auba I would happily sell and get Zaha.

Like someone has said already, neither will be happy sitting on the bench.
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To sell Auba makes absolute no sense. We would need to replace him adequately. We can't go with another Giroud situation to have only one CF upfront into the new season. We also need wingers on both flanks.

posted on 27/6/19

comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Castor Troy (U8700)
posted 11 minutes ago
For me Laca and Auba don't work playing together. Realistically playing 1 will work moving forward.

If we received 50-60M for Auba I would happily sell and get Zaha.

Like someone has said already, neither will be happy sitting on the bench.
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To sell Auba makes absolute no sense. We would need to replace him adequately. We can't go with another Giroud situation to have only one CF upfront into the new season. We also need wingers on both flanks.
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In fairness it's different to the Giroud situation in that Lacazette is a good player who is capable of leading the attack as first choice

It isn't ideal at all obviously but it's a very different situation and in truth Lacazette and Aubamayang play better without eachother

posted on 27/6/19

Looking forward to Ozil playing as our striker next season while Auba hits 30 odd goals elsewhere and Laca gets the inevitable injuries.

posted on 27/6/19

Laca also has periods where he doesn't score and needs another striker with him so it puts him under less pressure

We saw how the barren spell in 2017/18 affected him and it took Aubamayang sacrificing a hat trick penalty to get him back in the groove

posted on 27/6/19

Dont worry, though, there are lots of goals in the rest of the squad. Iwobi, Mkhi, Ozil, Torreira, Xhaka - guaranteed doubles figures (between them obviously, not each).

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