I haven't read other comments.
This is a new low? Seriously?
Shaite like that has been happening for ages, all over, and this is considered a new low?
The biggest difference from 20 years ago and now is media (both social and the news type). We've got 24 hour news who care more about being first than right. We've got people with huge following online who are able to post a lie and even when they retract it due to facing libel, their followers keep spreading the initial lie.
We had a young boy taken by boys a little older than him and killed that boy. We are now going to pay to have one of those boys removed from the country.
So Shaite like what the Op said has been happening and always have been.
"New low" you don't even know what low is if that's a new one for you.
Branding people racist simply because they have a different opinions to you is disrespectful to those that genuine me suffer from racism (myself included) and can be a shameful as racism itself guys. I therefore ask that those guilty of this think wisely before doing so again.
For those that wish to continue down this route, I challenge anyone on here that has even hinted at me being a racist (and yes, you did mean me when you refer to Rdd) to support there allegations. If they can, I will change my username to Rdd or whatever else you wish, but if you cannot, you retract such statements and I get to rename you for 2 weeks.
Your refusal to accept such a challenge will rightfully be seen as you being unable to back up your accusations and being guilty of using racism for petty point scoring.
It’s not really a gauntlet when you support something as discriminatory as stop and search. Carried out by a police force who have been proven to be institutionally racist.
RDD probably thinks you have to use the N word to be racist.
Look,all of humanities problems are down to the most established rules we've put in place for ourselves.
All these murders, sheet parenting, absent Dads, everything in this article, all the war, crime and suffering in the world is down to established rules that will never change. We're facked basically.
For instance, there are seven days in a week. You must work for five of the seven days. You get up and within no time you've left for work. You get home in the evening and within no time you need to go to bed as you've got work the next day.
You are under this system from the time you start school probably until retirement.
Its pretty robotic. It's the norm but this isn't something human beings have evolved to manage very well. Its not what evolution had in mind.
So you're left with two days for pleasure and personal stuff which is no where near enough time to get drunk and pass out on the sofa, recover from the hangover and still visit your mama without her smelling the booze on you. If you get drunk this weekend, you'll have to visit your mama next weekend as Sunday will be nursing time.
Furthermore, people do extreme things on Fridays and Saturdays. They drink too much, get in fights and basically act crazy because it's the weekend.
Why is the weekend so precious? Because its shorter than it should be, by far.
Look, this might sound ridiculous but animals need to be free. Scientific studies of cows and horses will prove that lifetime regimens and schedules, as opposed to absolute freedom can cause stress and violent behaviour.
The first thing the world should do is reduce the working week to 4 days, with Wednesday being a rest day or maybe even just add Friday to the weekend.
Also, we should stop relying on the sun to determine schedules. Its primitive. A working day should be increased to 30 hours. 10 hours for sleep, 8 hours for work and the rest for playing tekken and hanging out with your family and friends.
This would mean four work shifts a week. Everybody would have a job and be happy. I'm writing a research paper on this topic so let me stop there as I can go on forever.
comment by Thörgen Kloppinson, First of mine own nameth, h'rald of demise, songbird of Asgard, defend'r/ protecteth'r of the weak and innocent, mast'r of disast'r, king of stingeth, dancing destroyeth'r and counteth of monte fisto (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
Look,all of humanities problems are down to the most established rules we've put in place for ourselves.
All these murders, sheet parenting, absent Dads, everything in this article, all the war, crime and suffering in the world is down to established rules that will never change. We're facked basically.
For instance, there are seven days in a week. You must work for five of the seven days. You get up and within no time you've left for work. You get home in the evening and within no time you need to go to bed as you've got work the next day.
You are under this system from the time you start school probably until retirement.
Its pretty robotic. It's the norm but this isn't something human beings have evolved to manage very well. Its not what evolution had in mind.
So you're left with two days for pleasure and personal stuff which is no where near enough time to get drunk and pass out on the sofa, recover from the hangover and still visit your mama without her smelling the booze on you. If you get drunk this weekend, you'll have to visit your mama next weekend as Sunday will be nursing time.
Furthermore, people do extreme things on Fridays and Saturdays. They drink too much, get in fights and basically act crazy because it's the weekend.
Why is the weekend so precious? Because its shorter than it should be, by far.
Look, this might sound ridiculous but animals need to be free. Scientific studies of cows and horses will prove that lifetime regimens and schedules, as opposed to absolute freedom can cause stress and violent behaviour.
The first thing the world should do is reduce the working week to 4 days, with Wednesday being a rest day or maybe even just add Friday to the weekend.
Also, we should stop relying on the sun to determine schedules. Its primitive. A working day should be increased to 30 hours. 10 hours for sleep, 8 hours for work and the rest for playing tekken and hanging out with your family and friends.
This would mean four work shifts a week. Everybody would have a job and be happy. I'm writing a research paper on this topic so let me stop there as I can go on forever.
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Interesting post.
Our work life balance is a factor.
We really have created a rat race for ourselves.
It will take brains and time to fix, but we must review how we live and treat each other.
Otherwise, we regress as a society.
You can publish your research once its completed here.
I don't see how some of these things can be fixed, we're too far gone living on schedules that were formatted by people who undervalued things like sleep and equated sleeping with laziness.
Only a few decades ago did the importance of sleep become a mainstream thing, for instance. Most people think some funding here or there will fix this or that problem.
Have you ever seen a tethered goat that is unable to free its leg(s) from the rope having gotten itself caught. You can see that it just needs to lift its leg over the rope to the opposite side and its solved but the goat will never be free unless by a stroke of luck or the return of its owner.
That's goat level stupidity. The goat is not aware of it and doesn't deem itself stupid.
Therfore, theoretically, there is human level stupidity, which we are obviously not aware of too. Is it possible that we've got ourselves entangled in the rope so much that we can't move at all?
As we advance technologically, the more arrogant we become believing we have it figured out. Perhaps we do, perhaps we don't.
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
It’s not really a gauntlet when you support something as discriminatory as stop and search. Carried out by a police force who have been proven to be institutionally racist.
RDD probably thinks you have to use the N word to be racist.
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Speaking of London alone.
Who are most of the knife crimes committed by and what race are the victims?
That will probably give you a reason why stop and search for weapons on a particular race is done. Stop and search doesn’t harm anyone. It’s the people and weapons that do. So quit with your racist bs
I blame gaming & drugs
Won't change
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
It’s not really a gauntlet when you support something as discriminatory as stop and search. Carried out by a police force who have been proven to be institutionally racist.
RDD probably thinks you have to use the N word to be racist.
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Proven? Surely you’re not referring to the Macpherson report which didn’t have a shred of evidence.
Stop and search resulted in less knives on the streets and subsequently less knife crime.
Speaking of London alone.
Who are most of the knife crimes committed by and what race are the victims?
That will probably give you a reason why stop and search for weapons on a particular race is done. Stop and search doesn’t harm anyone. It’s the people and weapons that do. So quit with your racist bs
========
No particular race is inclined to anything more than any other race.
In order for a human being to become involved in anything, like a gang or knife crime for instance, they must be exposed to certain conditions that make them choose this route.
These conditions would have the same effect on at person regardless of skin colour.
What happens is that sometimes you find people of a certain race are exposed to more of these conditions than people of another race and therefore more of them will join gangs etc than other races.
You need to deal with the problem at the root and look at what can be done to stop young minds from being exposed to these conditions so much.
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
It’s not really a gauntlet when you support something as discriminatory as stop and search. Carried out by a police force who have been proven to be institutionally racist.
RDD probably thinks you have to use the N word to be racist.
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Be interested to see how it’s racist when the objective is to save these kids from prison or death through knife crime.
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 32 minutes ago
You can publish your research once its completed here.
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I doubt the majority of those involved in knife crime keep 9 - 5 hours during the week mate
It’s amazing how so many people complained and cried about the police doing stop and search. The police then stop doing it and knife crime goes through the roof now people are crying for more stop and search to be done,
Oh but let’s not search these black or ethnic minority kids though as that will be deemed to be racist
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s amazing how so many people complained and cried about the police doing stop and search. The police then stop doing it and knife crime goes through the roof now people are crying for more stop and search to be done,
Oh but let’s not search these black or ethnic minority kids though as that will be deemed to be racist
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It’s easier for them to call others racist than accept they are wrong.
Disgusting
Is it not true that there is no significant link between ethnicity and knife crime and that prohibited items are found across all ethnicities at similar rates?
Why then are black people over 10 times as likely to be stopped?
Genuine question.
comment by Thörgen Kloppinson, First of mine own nameth, h'rald of demise, songbird of Asgard, defend'r/ protecteth'r of the weak and innocent, mast'r of disast'r, king of stingeth, dancing destroyeth'r and counteth of monte fisto (U1282)
posted 25 seconds ago
Is it not true that there is no significant link between ethnicity and knife crime and that prohibited items are found across all ethnicities at similar rates?
Why then are black people over 10 times as likely to be stopped?
Genuine question.
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Look at the stats for stabbings in London both victims and suspects then I think you’ll find a disproportionate amount of young black males are involved in knife crime.
comment by Super Ed (U22147)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
It’s not really a gauntlet when you support something as discriminatory as stop and search. Carried out by a police force who have been proven to be institutionally racist.
RDD probably thinks you have to use the N word to be racist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Be interested to see how it’s racist when the objective is to save these kids from prison or death through knife crime.
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https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/oct/13/racial-bias-police-stop-and-search-policy-black-people-report
But if in the end stop and search shows that prohibited items are found across all ethnicities at similar rates then that defeats the argument, no?
A black guy is 10 times more likely to be stopped and searched but just as likely to be carrying a prohibited item as a white guy?
As for London, its because of the conditions these youth are exposed to. Economically mostly.
In England and Wales, only 38% of knife crime was by black people or minorities. That's a minority and solid proof that conditions in London are exposing youths of a certain race to influences that lead them to take up some vices.
If these conditions are improved to match the rest of the country, knife crime in London by blacks and other ethnicities will also match the rest of the country.
White collar crimes are dominated by white folk and blacks are underrepresented there. Its all about different conditions.
“Stop and search without suspicion is a recipe for state abuse of power and does untold damage to communities’ trust in fair policing. It is the antithesis of the targeted, considered and accountable policy interventions that we really need to address complex problems such as youth violence over the long term.”
I agree with this quote.
comment by Thörgen Kloppinson, First of mine own nameth, h'rald of demise, songbird of Asgard, defend'r/ protecteth'r of the weak and innocent, mast'r of disast'r, king of stingeth, dancing destroyeth'r and counteth of monte fisto (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
But if in the end stop and search shows that prohibited items are found across all ethnicities at similar rates then that defeats the argument, no?
A black guy is 10 times more likely to be stopped and searched but just as likely to be carrying a prohibited item as a white guy?
As for London, its because of the conditions these youth are exposed to. Economically mostly.
In England and Wales, only 38% of knife crime was by black people or minorities. That's a minority and solid proof that conditions in London are exposing youths of a certain race to influences that lead them to take up some vices.
If these conditions are improved to match the rest of the country, knife crime in London by blacks and other ethnicities will also match the rest of the country.
White collar crimes are dominated by white folk and blacks are underrepresented there. Its all about different conditions.
“Stop and search without suspicion is a recipe for state abuse of power and does untold damage to communities’ trust in fair policing. It is the antithesis of the targeted, considered and accountable policy interventions that we really need to address complex problems such as youth violence over the long term.”
I agree with this quote.
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What proportion of the population is considered Black?
comment by Super Ed (U22147)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Thörgen Kloppinson, First of mine own nameth, h'rald of demise, songbird of Asgard, defend'r/ protecteth'r of the weak and innocent, mast'r of disast'r, king of stingeth, dancing destroyeth'r and counteth of monte fisto (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
But if in the end stop and search shows that prohibited items are found across all ethnicities at similar rates then that defeats the argument, no?
A black guy is 10 times more likely to be stopped and searched but just as likely to be carrying a prohibited item as a white guy?
As for London, its because of the conditions these youth are exposed to. Economically mostly.
In England and Wales, only 38% of knife crime was by black people or minorities. That's a minority and solid proof that conditions in London are exposing youths of a certain race to influences that lead them to take up some vices.
If these conditions are improved to match the rest of the country, knife crime in London by blacks and other ethnicities will also match the rest of the country.
White collar crimes are dominated by white folk and blacks are underrepresented there. Its all about different conditions.
“Stop and search without suspicion is a recipe for state abuse of power and does untold damage to communities’ trust in fair policing. It is the antithesis of the targeted, considered and accountable policy interventions that we really need to address complex problems such as youth violence over the long term.”
I agree with this quote.
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What proportion of the population is considered Black?
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3.3%
So an ethnic group making up just 3.3% of the population is responsible for 38% of knife crime in the UK.
Serious questions need to be asked why that is.
I agree but that percentage is for non whites, not just black people but your point still stands, just a bit diluted.
Stop and search won't stop the conditions that cause a race or community to be exposed to vices.
Well-off black people and minorities are more likely to be caught in white collar crimes as opposed to knife crime or gangs because those are the conditions they are exposed to.
Stop and search will do nothing to change this apart from causing social problems and reduced trust in police and authority.
London reaches a new low
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posted on 30/6/19
I haven't read other comments.
This is a new low? Seriously?
Shaite like that has been happening for ages, all over, and this is considered a new low?
The biggest difference from 20 years ago and now is media (both social and the news type). We've got 24 hour news who care more about being first than right. We've got people with huge following online who are able to post a lie and even when they retract it due to facing libel, their followers keep spreading the initial lie.
We had a young boy taken by boys a little older than him and killed that boy. We are now going to pay to have one of those boys removed from the country.
So Shaite like what the Op said has been happening and always have been.
"New low" you don't even know what low is if that's a new one for you.
posted on 30/6/19
Branding people racist simply because they have a different opinions to you is disrespectful to those that genuine me suffer from racism (myself included) and can be a shameful as racism itself guys. I therefore ask that those guilty of this think wisely before doing so again.
For those that wish to continue down this route, I challenge anyone on here that has even hinted at me being a racist (and yes, you did mean me when you refer to Rdd) to support there allegations. If they can, I will change my username to Rdd or whatever else you wish, but if you cannot, you retract such statements and I get to rename you for 2 weeks.
Your refusal to accept such a challenge will rightfully be seen as you being unable to back up your accusations and being guilty of using racism for petty point scoring.
posted on 30/6/19
🖕🏽
posted on 30/6/19
Gauntlet thrown down.
posted on 30/6/19
It’s not really a gauntlet when you support something as discriminatory as stop and search. Carried out by a police force who have been proven to be institutionally racist.
RDD probably thinks you have to use the N word to be racist.
posted on 30/6/19
lol
posted on 30/6/19
Look,all of humanities problems are down to the most established rules we've put in place for ourselves.
All these murders, sheet parenting, absent Dads, everything in this article, all the war, crime and suffering in the world is down to established rules that will never change. We're facked basically.
For instance, there are seven days in a week. You must work for five of the seven days. You get up and within no time you've left for work. You get home in the evening and within no time you need to go to bed as you've got work the next day.
You are under this system from the time you start school probably until retirement.
Its pretty robotic. It's the norm but this isn't something human beings have evolved to manage very well. Its not what evolution had in mind.
So you're left with two days for pleasure and personal stuff which is no where near enough time to get drunk and pass out on the sofa, recover from the hangover and still visit your mama without her smelling the booze on you. If you get drunk this weekend, you'll have to visit your mama next weekend as Sunday will be nursing time.
Furthermore, people do extreme things on Fridays and Saturdays. They drink too much, get in fights and basically act crazy because it's the weekend.
Why is the weekend so precious? Because its shorter than it should be, by far.
Look, this might sound ridiculous but animals need to be free. Scientific studies of cows and horses will prove that lifetime regimens and schedules, as opposed to absolute freedom can cause stress and violent behaviour.
The first thing the world should do is reduce the working week to 4 days, with Wednesday being a rest day or maybe even just add Friday to the weekend.
Also, we should stop relying on the sun to determine schedules. Its primitive. A working day should be increased to 30 hours. 10 hours for sleep, 8 hours for work and the rest for playing tekken and hanging out with your family and friends.
This would mean four work shifts a week. Everybody would have a job and be happy. I'm writing a research paper on this topic so let me stop there as I can go on forever.
posted on 30/6/19
comment by Thörgen Kloppinson, First of mine own nameth, h'rald of demise, songbird of Asgard, defend'r/ protecteth'r of the weak and innocent, mast'r of disast'r, king of stingeth, dancing destroyeth'r and counteth of monte fisto (U1282)
posted 3 minutes ago
Look,all of humanities problems are down to the most established rules we've put in place for ourselves.
All these murders, sheet parenting, absent Dads, everything in this article, all the war, crime and suffering in the world is down to established rules that will never change. We're facked basically.
For instance, there are seven days in a week. You must work for five of the seven days. You get up and within no time you've left for work. You get home in the evening and within no time you need to go to bed as you've got work the next day.
You are under this system from the time you start school probably until retirement.
Its pretty robotic. It's the norm but this isn't something human beings have evolved to manage very well. Its not what evolution had in mind.
So you're left with two days for pleasure and personal stuff which is no where near enough time to get drunk and pass out on the sofa, recover from the hangover and still visit your mama without her smelling the booze on you. If you get drunk this weekend, you'll have to visit your mama next weekend as Sunday will be nursing time.
Furthermore, people do extreme things on Fridays and Saturdays. They drink too much, get in fights and basically act crazy because it's the weekend.
Why is the weekend so precious? Because its shorter than it should be, by far.
Look, this might sound ridiculous but animals need to be free. Scientific studies of cows and horses will prove that lifetime regimens and schedules, as opposed to absolute freedom can cause stress and violent behaviour.
The first thing the world should do is reduce the working week to 4 days, with Wednesday being a rest day or maybe even just add Friday to the weekend.
Also, we should stop relying on the sun to determine schedules. Its primitive. A working day should be increased to 30 hours. 10 hours for sleep, 8 hours for work and the rest for playing tekken and hanging out with your family and friends.
This would mean four work shifts a week. Everybody would have a job and be happy. I'm writing a research paper on this topic so let me stop there as I can go on forever.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Interesting post.
Our work life balance is a factor.
We really have created a rat race for ourselves.
It will take brains and time to fix, but we must review how we live and treat each other.
Otherwise, we regress as a society.
posted on 30/6/19
You can publish your research once its completed here.
posted on 30/6/19
I don't see how some of these things can be fixed, we're too far gone living on schedules that were formatted by people who undervalued things like sleep and equated sleeping with laziness.
Only a few decades ago did the importance of sleep become a mainstream thing, for instance. Most people think some funding here or there will fix this or that problem.
Have you ever seen a tethered goat that is unable to free its leg(s) from the rope having gotten itself caught. You can see that it just needs to lift its leg over the rope to the opposite side and its solved but the goat will never be free unless by a stroke of luck or the return of its owner.
That's goat level stupidity. The goat is not aware of it and doesn't deem itself stupid.
Therfore, theoretically, there is human level stupidity, which we are obviously not aware of too. Is it possible that we've got ourselves entangled in the rope so much that we can't move at all?
As we advance technologically, the more arrogant we become believing we have it figured out. Perhaps we do, perhaps we don't.
posted on 30/6/19
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
It’s not really a gauntlet when you support something as discriminatory as stop and search. Carried out by a police force who have been proven to be institutionally racist.
RDD probably thinks you have to use the N word to be racist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Speaking of London alone.
Who are most of the knife crimes committed by and what race are the victims?
That will probably give you a reason why stop and search for weapons on a particular race is done. Stop and search doesn’t harm anyone. It’s the people and weapons that do. So quit with your racist bs
posted on 30/6/19
I blame gaming & drugs
Won't change
posted on 30/6/19
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
It’s not really a gauntlet when you support something as discriminatory as stop and search. Carried out by a police force who have been proven to be institutionally racist.
RDD probably thinks you have to use the N word to be racist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Proven? Surely you’re not referring to the Macpherson report which didn’t have a shred of evidence.
Stop and search resulted in less knives on the streets and subsequently less knife crime.
posted on 30/6/19
Speaking of London alone.
Who are most of the knife crimes committed by and what race are the victims?
That will probably give you a reason why stop and search for weapons on a particular race is done. Stop and search doesn’t harm anyone. It’s the people and weapons that do. So quit with your racist bs
========
No particular race is inclined to anything more than any other race.
In order for a human being to become involved in anything, like a gang or knife crime for instance, they must be exposed to certain conditions that make them choose this route.
These conditions would have the same effect on at person regardless of skin colour.
What happens is that sometimes you find people of a certain race are exposed to more of these conditions than people of another race and therefore more of them will join gangs etc than other races.
You need to deal with the problem at the root and look at what can be done to stop young minds from being exposed to these conditions so much.
posted on 30/6/19
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
It’s not really a gauntlet when you support something as discriminatory as stop and search. Carried out by a police force who have been proven to be institutionally racist.
RDD probably thinks you have to use the N word to be racist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Be interested to see how it’s racist when the objective is to save these kids from prison or death through knife crime.
posted on 30/6/19
comment by CurrentlyInChina (U11181)
posted 32 minutes ago
You can publish your research once its completed here.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I doubt the majority of those involved in knife crime keep 9 - 5 hours during the week mate
posted on 30/6/19
It’s amazing how so many people complained and cried about the police doing stop and search. The police then stop doing it and knife crime goes through the roof now people are crying for more stop and search to be done,
Oh but let’s not search these black or ethnic minority kids though as that will be deemed to be racist
posted on 30/6/19
comment by Manc Python (U17527)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s amazing how so many people complained and cried about the police doing stop and search. The police then stop doing it and knife crime goes through the roof now people are crying for more stop and search to be done,
Oh but let’s not search these black or ethnic minority kids though as that will be deemed to be racist
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It’s easier for them to call others racist than accept they are wrong.
Disgusting
posted on 30/6/19
Is it not true that there is no significant link between ethnicity and knife crime and that prohibited items are found across all ethnicities at similar rates?
Why then are black people over 10 times as likely to be stopped?
Genuine question.
posted on 30/6/19
comment by Thörgen Kloppinson, First of mine own nameth, h'rald of demise, songbird of Asgard, defend'r/ protecteth'r of the weak and innocent, mast'r of disast'r, king of stingeth, dancing destroyeth'r and counteth of monte fisto (U1282)
posted 25 seconds ago
Is it not true that there is no significant link between ethnicity and knife crime and that prohibited items are found across all ethnicities at similar rates?
Why then are black people over 10 times as likely to be stopped?
Genuine question.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Look at the stats for stabbings in London both victims and suspects then I think you’ll find a disproportionate amount of young black males are involved in knife crime.
posted on 30/6/19
comment by Super Ed (U22147)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
It’s not really a gauntlet when you support something as discriminatory as stop and search. Carried out by a police force who have been proven to be institutionally racist.
RDD probably thinks you have to use the N word to be racist.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Be interested to see how it’s racist when the objective is to save these kids from prison or death through knife crime.
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https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/oct/13/racial-bias-police-stop-and-search-policy-black-people-report
posted on 30/6/19
But if in the end stop and search shows that prohibited items are found across all ethnicities at similar rates then that defeats the argument, no?
A black guy is 10 times more likely to be stopped and searched but just as likely to be carrying a prohibited item as a white guy?
As for London, its because of the conditions these youth are exposed to. Economically mostly.
In England and Wales, only 38% of knife crime was by black people or minorities. That's a minority and solid proof that conditions in London are exposing youths of a certain race to influences that lead them to take up some vices.
If these conditions are improved to match the rest of the country, knife crime in London by blacks and other ethnicities will also match the rest of the country.
White collar crimes are dominated by white folk and blacks are underrepresented there. Its all about different conditions.
“Stop and search without suspicion is a recipe for state abuse of power and does untold damage to communities’ trust in fair policing. It is the antithesis of the targeted, considered and accountable policy interventions that we really need to address complex problems such as youth violence over the long term.”
I agree with this quote.
posted on 30/6/19
comment by Thörgen Kloppinson, First of mine own nameth, h'rald of demise, songbird of Asgard, defend'r/ protecteth'r of the weak and innocent, mast'r of disast'r, king of stingeth, dancing destroyeth'r and counteth of monte fisto (U1282)
posted 5 minutes ago
But if in the end stop and search shows that prohibited items are found across all ethnicities at similar rates then that defeats the argument, no?
A black guy is 10 times more likely to be stopped and searched but just as likely to be carrying a prohibited item as a white guy?
As for London, its because of the conditions these youth are exposed to. Economically mostly.
In England and Wales, only 38% of knife crime was by black people or minorities. That's a minority and solid proof that conditions in London are exposing youths of a certain race to influences that lead them to take up some vices.
If these conditions are improved to match the rest of the country, knife crime in London by blacks and other ethnicities will also match the rest of the country.
White collar crimes are dominated by white folk and blacks are underrepresented there. Its all about different conditions.
“Stop and search without suspicion is a recipe for state abuse of power and does untold damage to communities’ trust in fair policing. It is the antithesis of the targeted, considered and accountable policy interventions that we really need to address complex problems such as youth violence over the long term.”
I agree with this quote.
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What proportion of the population is considered Black?
posted on 30/6/19
comment by Super Ed (U22147)
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But if in the end stop and search shows that prohibited items are found across all ethnicities at similar rates then that defeats the argument, no?
A black guy is 10 times more likely to be stopped and searched but just as likely to be carrying a prohibited item as a white guy?
As for London, its because of the conditions these youth are exposed to. Economically mostly.
In England and Wales, only 38% of knife crime was by black people or minorities. That's a minority and solid proof that conditions in London are exposing youths of a certain race to influences that lead them to take up some vices.
If these conditions are improved to match the rest of the country, knife crime in London by blacks and other ethnicities will also match the rest of the country.
White collar crimes are dominated by white folk and blacks are underrepresented there. Its all about different conditions.
“Stop and search without suspicion is a recipe for state abuse of power and does untold damage to communities’ trust in fair policing. It is the antithesis of the targeted, considered and accountable policy interventions that we really need to address complex problems such as youth violence over the long term.”
I agree with this quote.
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What proportion of the population is considered Black?
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3.3%
So an ethnic group making up just 3.3% of the population is responsible for 38% of knife crime in the UK.
Serious questions need to be asked why that is.
posted on 30/6/19
I agree but that percentage is for non whites, not just black people but your point still stands, just a bit diluted.
Stop and search won't stop the conditions that cause a race or community to be exposed to vices.
Well-off black people and minorities are more likely to be caught in white collar crimes as opposed to knife crime or gangs because those are the conditions they are exposed to.
Stop and search will do nothing to change this apart from causing social problems and reduced trust in police and authority.
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